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kikibalt wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:

I think Butterbean would lose.

She don't look like a 300 pounder to me.....more like 150....

Then you'll go for it?

Guys, that's it for me for tonight. I'm getting blurry vision as well as double vision from the computer. Besides the sooner I get to bed, the sooner I can begin dreaming about the upcoming "Festa Bella" Party.

Good night all!
Randy

Buenas noches for me too.

Here he is.....

Good nite, you all.

Chata is taking Connie's place, she is sleeping with me tonight....

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:

I think Butterbean would lose.

She don't look like a 300 pounder to me.....more like 150....

Then you'll go for it?

What fight her?, not me, I know better then that.

Randyman wrote:
Guys, I have been cooking since I was knee high to a grasshopper. It's second nature to me. My mother worked at GE when I was a kid, she was the receptionist and PBX operator so she always had access to the phone. Every so often she would call home and ask me to get started. In the sixth grade I was making Cocido, Chicken Soup, Menudo, grilled meats, mashed potatoes, you name it. I was no chef by any means, but I could cook. They were my mother's recipes but she taught them to me and they stuck. I am the only one in the family that learned how to cook my mother's food.

Later my father taught me how to make Chile Verde (Green Chile) and Chile Colorado con Carne (Red Chile with meat), and just regular chili.

Years back, I was a short order cook at the old JoJo's Restaurant chain. It was a tough job. But I learned a lot about cooking there.

Mel Epstein was a cook in the Merchant Marines and taught me much of what I know about cooking. Anther man that I worked with for years, Leon Mazza, an orthodox Greek Jew from Hell's Kitchen, N.Y. was a restaurant owner and one hell of a chef. he was the real deal. I also learned a lot from him. I have enough confidence in my cooking that I believe i can cook anything, from any culture or any region. I may not now but I know that I can learn it.

I am a firm believer that a man should know how to cook. My wife and I taught all our kids the basics. A man that can cook will never go hungry.

Randy

Or you can train them right. When the boss leaves town, she cooks one of my favorite meals for each evening she's gone, and into the frig or freeze it goes. Then, I just pop them into the microwave each evening she's gone and I'm eating the stuff I like best.

No need to learn how to cook . . . and no need to eat my own food like Frank.

What fight her?, not me, I know better then that.
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Frank and I don't fight women. I learned that about Frank in 1969, when the Quarry women were involved in a riot at the El Monte Legion Stadium. While our AAU team was in the ring posing for a team photo, Frank was watching from ringside. Suddenly, he jumps into the ring, the only safe place in the arena.

What motivated Frank to find safety? I'm pretty sure he saw something dangerous coming his way, like Arwanda Quarry. Johnnie Flores told us he attempted to break up the trouble when it first started, then he saw "Ma Kettle" (Flores' nickname for Jerry's mother) getting into it and he knew he was overmatched. Johnnie let the riot squad diffuse the situation.

Frank would go on to guide his two oldest sons to Hall of Fame boxing careers, becoming a Hall of Famer himself. He would then settle into life as a "kept man."

One day, I too shall become a "kept man", just like Frank.

-Rick

Randyman wrote:

Hey Guys, do me favor. My son Andrew sent me a sample of his music. One is an instrumental, the other a song entitled "I Die Alone". Let me know what you think. You might have to use the little sound icon to hear it properly. For some reason, at least on my computer, the sound does not come up on it's own.

Go here:
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Thanks
Randy

Good looking young man, Randy. Reading what he wrote about you, and what you have written about him, I hope to one day have the opportunity to shake his hand. You have much to be proud of. You are a Hall of Fame Padre, and mi amigo.

-Rick

"They'll Never Find Them . . ."

At the WBHOF meeting yesterday, a voice asks, "Did any of you guys see the special on TV last week, the one on Howie Steindler's murder?" Some had. "Carol Steindler still has a $50,000 reward for any info leading to the arrest of her father's killers", said the voice.

I was standing with Mando Muniz and former featherweight contender and WBHOF referee, Vince Delgado. When Delgado heard the news on Carol Steindler's reward, he just shook his head. "Thirty-two years? They'll never find who did it, it was a mob hit", says Delgado.

Armando Muniz shook his head, "Just like Vic", he acknowledged. Muniz was referring to his manager, Vic Weiss, whose decomposing body was found in the trunk of his Cadillac, in the parking structure to the Universal Sheraton Hotel, within months of the death of Steindler.

"And just like my uncle, Carlos Chavez", Delgado pointed out.

I asked Vince about the death of Carlos Chavez. "Wasn't Chavez killed in a street fight in Lincoln Heights, fighting off punks trying to rob him of money from a check he'd just cashed at a liquor store?"

The silver haired former L.A. headliner just shook his head, his expression turned bitter. "No, it was all a set-up, not a robbery as everybody believes. The police know, we all know, but they don't want to waste time chasing shadows."

I wanted to talk more with Vince, but our meeting had ended and we all had business elsewhere. "Hey Vince, would you mind discussing this more in the future?" I asked. "Yes Rick, I'll be glad to talk about my uncle, he was my first teacher. He taught me how to box, and he also kicked my ass when I didn't do things right," Vince smiled.

Yes, we'll talk.


-Rick Farris

Paulino Montes . . .

This one is for Hap. I'm curious about this lightweight from Mexico who seemed to do well at the Hollywood Legion, at least in the beginning. I know that he handed a young Carlos Chavez his first pro loss there, and scored some other wins as well.

I was surprised that Chavez only has three Hollywood Legion bouts on his record, and two were losses. Montes beat him in his Legion debut and Lauro Salas beat him in his final bout there. I know that you put the Salas-Chavez fight together, and would appreciate your memories of that one.


-Rick

Sorry Dan, I didn't see the fights. Apparently Khan looked good, defence tight, backing Barrera to the ropes and opening up with those quick hands of his. However, the early cut basically 'killed' the fight.
Cookie hurt Martinez early according to the guys on the British forum but then got nailed. No complaints in that one. Martinez 'took' the title, the old-fashioned way.

dagosd2000 wrote:WHAT STAYS IN THE PAST

Burke Emery didn't like anyone screwin' around when he was training his fighters. Most of the time he was alone working with his boys at the Coliseum. Art Hafey was his featured fighter. Art would always put on a good show. Burke tried to get him to use his right hand more,but his left hook had so much pop in it that most of the time that was all he needed.

The San Diego Coliseum kept pretty busy during those years. So Cal boxing was going strong. The fighters coming up from Mexico fed the area with competitive fighters that were filling seats in arenas from Mexicali to Los Angeles.

Art Hafey was real good. Almost had enough to become a champ. At featherweight he had no problem finding competition. Being a white fighter from Canada and possessing KO power,the rivalry between Hafey and Latino fighters was a given. Art made a living for a while knocking out opponents from across the border. Art's big break was when he went down to Monterrey Mexico and blew the wind out of Ruben Olivares with his big left hook to the panza. I wasn't there ,but ask Burke about it and he'll tell you that Olivares's mouth piece came shooting out of his mouth with a groan that could be heard in El Paso.

Hafey looked like he might reach the pinnacle,but it wasn't in the cards. To hear it from Burke and to hear it from Art is two different stories. Hafey lost the rematch with Ruben and then went down to Nicaragua to fight Alexis Arguello. Nothing in the win column there. Burke said that it was George Parmassus's idea to send Art to Alexis's country. Art says Burke overtained him and besides was starting to suffer nerve damage to his arms.

Emery owns his bar down the street from where I live.I talk to him once in a while,but he doesn't know where any of his fighters have wound up. Last he heard he thought Art was in Canada again. I guess Hafey hasn't made any overtures to contact his former trainer and manager.

Sometimes it works that way with boxing. What happened in the past stays there.

Talent, small clubs, crosstown rivalries, big clubs, press that loved boxing and knew how to write about it, real trainers, competitive matches, real matchmakers and promoters, innovative PR, promotions in town and not on Indian Reservations, The Main Street Gym, The Hollywood Legion, the Olympic . . .

You're right, Roger. What happened in the past stays there.


-Rick Farris

Rick Farris wrote:What fight her?, not me, I know better then that.
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Frank and I don't fight women. I learned that about Frank in 1969, when the Quarry women were involved in a riot at the El Monte Legion Stadium. While our AAU team was in the ring posing for a team photo, Frank was watching from ringside. Suddenly, he jumps into the ring, the only safe place in the arena.

What motivated Frank to find safety? I'm pretty sure he saw something dangerous coming his way, like Arwanda Quarry. Johnnie Flores told us he attempted to break up the trouble when it first started, then he saw "Ma Kettle" (Flores' nickname for Jerry's mother) getting into it and he knew he was overmatched. Johnnie let the riot squad diffuse the situation.

Frank would go on to guide his two oldest sons to Hall of Fame boxing careers, becoming a Hall of Famer himself. He would then settle into life as a "kept man."

One day, I too shall become a "kept man", just like Frank.

-Rick

I don't like to fight women because they don't fight fair, they pull your hair, poke your eyes, hit you with their purse and kick you in the huevos, no sir, thats not a fight I want to get into.....

Rick Farris wrote:Paulino Montes . . .

This one is for Hap. I'm curious about this lightweight from Mexico who seemed to do well at the Hollywood Legion, at least in the beginning. I know that he handed a young Carlos Chavez his first pro loss there, and scored some other wins as well.

I was surprised that Chavez only has three Hollywood Legion bouts on his record, and two were losses. Montes beat him in his Legion debut and Lauro Salas beat him in his final bout there. I know that you put the Salas-Chavez fight together, and would appreciate your memories of that one.


-Rick

http://paulinomontes.350.com/
Paulino Montes web site

Rick Farris wrote:What fight her?, not me, I know better then that.
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Frank and I don't fight women. I learned that about Frank in 1969, when the Quarry women were involved in a riot at the El Monte Legion Stadium. While our AAU team was in the ring posing for a team photo, Frank was watching from ringside. Suddenly, he jumps into the ring, the only safe place in the arena.

What motivated Frank to find safety? I'm pretty sure he saw something dangerous coming his way, like Arwanda Quarry. Johnnie Flores told us he attempted to break up the trouble when it first started, then he saw "Ma Kettle" (Flores' nickname for Jerry's mother) getting into it and he knew he was overmatched. Johnnie let the riot squad diffuse the situation.

Frank would go on to guide his two oldest sons to Hall of Fame boxing careers, becoming a Hall of Famer himself. He would then settle into life as a "kept man."

One day, I too shall become a "kept man", just like Frank.

-Rick

Its a wonderful life!, Rick....

bennie wrote:Sorry Dan, I didn't see the fights. Apparently Khan looked good, defence tight, backing Barrera to the ropes and opening up with those quick hands of his. However, the early cut basically 'killed' the fight.
Cookie hurt Martinez early according to the guys on the British forum but then got nailed. No complaints in that one. Martinez 'took' the title, the old-fashioned way.

Bennie, you won't believe this, but youtube already has it downloaded. I watched it last night. Great fight. I can see why you were leaning towards Cook. He is a very strong Jr. Lightweight and was really tearing up the body well. Martinez really needs to rely on his jab more. It is a thing of beauty if he would deliver it more in 3's and 4's rather than 1's. I hope these links translate properly. The first link is rounds 1-3 and the second link if for the 4th round. Enjoy.

Scartissue


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrIg4Y9HrHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuougNWrWWE

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:Sorry Dan, I didn't see the fights. Apparently Khan looked good, defence tight, backing Barrera to the ropes and opening up with those quick hands of his. However, the early cut basically 'killed' the fight.
Cookie hurt Martinez early according to the guys on the British forum but then got nailed. No complaints in that one. Martinez 'took' the title, the old-fashioned way.

Bennie, you won't believe this, but youtube already has it downloaded. I watched it last night. Great fight. I can see why you were leaning towards Cook. He is a very strong Jr. Lightweight and was really tearing up the body well. Martinez really needs to rely on his jab more. It is a thing of beauty if he would deliver it more in 3's and 4's rather than 1's. I hope these links translate properly. The first link is rounds 1-3 and the second link if for the 4th round. Enjoy.

Scartissue


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrIg4Y9HrHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuougNWrWWE

Two good fighters....

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Paulino Montes . . .

This one is for Hap. I'm curious about this lightweight from Mexico who seemed to do well at the Hollywood Legion, at least in the beginning. I know that he handed a young Carlos Chavez his first pro loss there, and scored some other wins as well.

I was surprised that Chavez only has three Hollywood Legion bouts on his record, and two were losses. Montes beat him in his Legion debut and Lauro Salas beat him in his final bout there. I know that you put the Salas-Chavez fight together, and would appreciate your memories of that one.


-Rick

http://paulinomontes.350.com/
Paulino Montes web site

Sorry, Rick> Cal Working made the Salas-Chavez bout back in 1951. I had my hands full making up the entire undercard at the time. And Chavez had many bouts at the Legion, in fact he had a run of about ten straight showings for our club. Carlos had everything required of a world champ except for a knockout punch.

It didn't help that they kept matching him with Manuel Ortiz in a series of bouts that were the talk of the town when they happened. Those two tore into each other like the worst enemies, when in fact they were close friends. Another drawback was the fact that Carlos went into the military, stationed near Savannah, Georgia during his prime years.

As for Paulino Montes, we have discussed him before. He was a hard hitter, rather slow afoot, who was managed by Martin Zuniga, one of George Blake's ace proteges who quiit the game just when he seemed ready to make it big.

hap navarro

Wise old Indian reflects on Daylight Savings Time

"Only white man would believe you could cut off top of blanket, sew it to bottom of blanket, and have longer blanket."

raylawpc wrote:Wise old Indian reflects on Daylight Savings Time

"Only white man would believe you could cut off top of blanket, sew it to bottom of blanket, and have longer blanket."

The Wise old Indian makes a very good point.

-Rick

Dongee wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Paulino Montes . . .

This one is for Hap. I'm curious about this lightweight from Mexico who seemed to do well at the Hollywood Legion, at least in the beginning. I know that he handed a young Carlos Chavez his first pro loss there, and scored some other wins as well.

I was surprised that Chavez only has three Hollywood Legion bouts on his record, and two were losses. Montes beat him in his Legion debut and Lauro Salas beat him in his final bout there. I know that you put the Salas-Chavez fight together, and would appreciate your memories of that one.


-Rick

http://paulinomontes.350.com/
Paulino Montes web site

Sorry, Rick> Cal Working made the Salas-Chavez bout back in 1951. I had my hands full making up the entire undercard at the time. And Chavez had many bouts at the Legion, in fact he had a run of about ten straight showings for our club. Carlos had everything required of a world champ except for a knockout punch.

It didn't help that they kept matching him with Manuel Ortiz in a series of bouts that were the talk of the town when they happened. Those two tore into each other like the worst enemies, when in fact they were close friends. Another drawback was the fact that Carlos went into the military, stationed near Savannah, Georgia during his prime years.

As for Paulino Montes, we have discussed him before. He was a hard hitter, rather slow afoot, who was managed by Martin Zuniga, one of George Blake's ace proteges who quiit the game just when he seemed ready to make it big.

hap navarro

Hap . . . Thanks for validating what I "thought" to be true, regarding Carlos Chavez appearances at the Hollywood Legion. I knew that he had fought a number of times at the Legion just from our discussions here. Boxrec does not provide a complete record for him, so I wanted to check this out thru you. I doubt there is another person capable of answering this inquiry reagrding Chavez's career. As I attempt to write a piece that will serve as a "foundation" for the era I know best (my era 1964-76, I want to be as accurate as possible. From a historical standpoint, your contributions here provide information that could not possibly be found in any library or reference source. In addition to the facts, we also get the "behind scenes" look at that era, which adds a human element, not just dry facts. I also appreciate your help with Paulino Montes.

-Rick Farris

Body of Boxing Manager Found on Ventura Freeway, March 1977
From the Los Times Blog


Photograph by the Los Angeles Times

Howard Steindler, about 1970.
Howard Steindler's killing follows the classic arc of a story about an unsolved murder.

First, an interesting victim dies violently. There are a few tantalizing clues, almost enough to break the case--but not quite. Detectives hit a dead end and appeal for help from the public. There's a flurry of new interest when some of the victim's belongings are mailed to the family, but that too dwindles away.

Finally, detectives defer the case for more pressing investigations and as the unsolved murder lingers in the popular memory, it's linked by police, the press and the public to killings that appear similar--if only superficially. Through the years, the family grieves. Perhaps they are public with their sorrow, or perhaps they seek privacy, but the grief endures.

Los Angeles was reminded once again of Steindler's murder as his daughter Carol joined police in appealing for help on the 32nd anniversary of his death. On March 9, 1977, Steindler's battered body was found in the back seat of his gold Cadillac--license HOWIE5--on the shoulder of the eastbound Ventura Freeway in Studio City.

Our victim is a slight, scrappy man named Howard R. "Howie" Steindler, a 72-year-old lifetime smoker with a bad heart whose health is so frail that he carries oxygen.

A onetime amateur boxer from New York's tenements who talks out of the side of his mouth, Steindler came to Los Angeles in 1942. Since 1953, he has run the shabby Main Street Gym, a popular skid row landmark in what was once the Hippodrome theater and has since been torn down. In his decades at the gritty, decaying gym, Steindler has managed any number of fighters and become a local legend. Burgess Meredith spent two weeks studying Steindler and the gym as he developed the character of boxing manager Mickey Goldmill for the hit film "Rocky."

Despite his many years in the fight business, Steindler had not enjoyed much success. "Howie suited up a lot of bad fighters," Times columnist Jim Murrary wrote in 1977. "Pals said Howie kept skinny--and he was nothing more than a big bantamweight to the day he died--lugging the carcasses of first-round KOs back to his corner."


Photograph by Ken Dare / L.A. Times
Howard Steindler, February 1961.

The irony of the killing is that in the months before he was murdered, Steindler had finally gotten his first world champion: Danny "Little Red" Lopez, who won the featherweight title in a Nov. 6, 1976, match fought in Ghana. Lopez took the title from David Kotey (or Kotei), who was managed by his brother Daniel, a Ghanan official at the U.N. Lopez's chances seemed slim, but "Little Red" took the fight and left Kotey so badly injured that he was hospitalized and never entirely recovered, although he continued boxing until 1989.

Steindler was in such poor health that he couldn't accompany Lopez to the bout in Ghana, but although he missed the fight, he drew new pride in Lopez's victory. At the bar where he always stopped for drinks on the way home, he entertained reporters and friends with a taped radio broadcast of the Lopez match. He bought a gold Cadillac with his share of the winnings. And according to a Times story on the 10th anniversary of his death, friends said he became more difficult to deal with.

In February 1977, a month before he was killed, Steindler was at odds with fight manager Daniel Kotey and the World Boxing Council, according to a story by The Times' Jack Hawn.

Steindler was trying to set up an April 9 bout for Lopez at the Forum but any deal was blocked by a previous agreement with Daniel Kotey, who had offered a contract for $85,000 and $5,000 in training expenses.

The option on Kotey's contract expired Feb. 6 when he was unable to find an opponent, but without explanation, the boxing council granted an extension to March 12, making Steindler furious, Hawn said.

Hawn noted that an immediate rematch between Lopez and David Kotey was banned under boxing council rules, and The Times reported on the day before the killing that Lopez would be unable to fight anyone until he had surgery to remove bone chips in his right hand from the Kotey match.

With one mysterious exception, Steindler's final hours before the killing seemed like any other day.


Photograph by Marilyn K. Yee / Los Angeles Times

Howard Steindler in his office, February 1976

He spent most of that Wednesday at the gym. A fingerprint found on the Cadillac, traced years later to a parking attendant, revealed that at some presumably recent point he had been at the Redwood, a downtown watering hole that was then next to The Times Building on 1st Street.

In the afternoon, homicide Det. Marvin Engquist and his unidentified partner stopped by the gym to say hello to Steindler, a longtime friend. "Peeking into his cubbyhole office at the top of the stairs, the detectives could see that Steindler was busy, as usual, so they merely waved hello, watched a few boxers work out and left," The Times said in 1987.

But sometime during the day, Steindler made another attempt to contact state Sen. Alex P. Garcia (D-Los Angeles), an avid boxing fan who represented the Eastside. Steindler had called John Noblet, Garcia's field deputy, a week earlier and asked for a meeting. "He didn't discuss the problem with me other than to say it was relative to the boxing commission," Noblet said a few days after the killing. "I don't have any idea what it was all about."

Garcia was too busy for a meeting, Noblet said, so he gave Steindler Garcia's home phone number. "Subsequently he called me a second time, but I never was able to arrange the interview. I'm sure he never talked to the senator."

[At the time of Steindler's killing, Garcia was mentioned in news stories about deaths linked to organized crime.

[Garcia administrative assistant Robert M. Lewis, a Reseda contractor, was found shot to death in his car Jan. 15, 1977, at 2738 Allesandro St. in Elysian Valley. Lewis had asked Garcia's help in getting a pardon for Michael A. Rizzitello, who had served time for a series of holdups and was suspected of welfare fraud in conjunction with Jimmy "The Weasel" Fratianno.

[Garcia also figured in stories about the Feb. 17, 1977, killing of Ellen Anne Delia, a grants writer who was found shot to death in a Sacramento ditch hours before she was to tell legislators about corruption in Eastside community projects. She was the estranged wife of Michael A. Delia Jr., a convicted bank robber who headed Get Going, a troubled halfway house for ex-convicts at 127 S. Utah St., originally based in Garcia's offices. Michael Delia pleaded guilty to involvement in the killings of his wife, Lewis and Ysidro Trujillo and was released in a 1984 plea bargain. Garcia was defeated by Assemblyman Art Torres in the 1982 Democratic primary for state Senate].

About 8:15 p.m. on March 9, 1977, a California Highway Patrol officer found Steindler's body in the back seat of the gold Cadillac, which had been parked on the shoulder of the eastbound Ventura Freeway near Laurel Canyon Boulevard.


Los Angeles Times file photo

Howard Steindler with Ernie Lopez, left, and Danny Lopez.

Steindler had been savagely beaten in the head and there was a puncture wound in his temple, but Police Lt. Richard King said it wasn't immediately clear whether the wound was made by a bullet or a sharp instrument. A March 11, 1977, story said Steindler had been suffocated. King said Steindler may have been smothered by having his face held against the car's seat cushion.

Steindler was known to carry hundreds of dollars, but although his wallet and personal papers were missing, detectives did not consider robbery a motive, The Times said. Later stories also noted that his distinctive rings were missing, as well as a gold necklace and a watch.

In the weeks that followed, police passed out thousand of fliers seeking information in the killing. Investigators also placed ads in newspapers that included a composite sketch of a possible suspect, although The Times evidently didn't publish the picture.

Details about the kidnapping have become murky over the years. The Times' original story said that a witness reported seeing three men throw a man into the back of a Cadillac--license HOWIE5--in the 5300 block of Lindley Avenue in Encino, where Steindler lived. A story the next day repeated the account of the apparent kidnapping and said Steindler was grabbed "just after he parked his car" outside his home.

A 10th anniversary story by Jack Hawn says a witness saw Steindler arguing with two men rather than three, as originally reported, "just off the freeway, a block from the victim's Encino residence." [According to the LAPD, the argument occurred at Killion Street and Lindley, and the kidnappers were two African American men].

Hawn reported for the first time that there was minor damage to the back of the car--cut rubber on the bumper and a dent--that led police to suspect Steindler had been the victim of a "bump and rob," a style of holdup after a minor traffic accident that was common at the time.


Photograph by Larry Sharkey / Los Angeles Times

Howard Steindler's daughter Carol after she took over the gym.

It's also unclear precisely where the Cadillac was found. The original story said the car was parked near Laurel Canyon Boulevard while a 1978 story by Steve Harvey said the car was near the Laurel Canyon Boulevard off-ramp and the 22nd anniversary story says it was near the on-ramp.

In December 1977, Steindler's widow, Ann, received an envelope containing his wallet, personal papers, credit cards and car key. Det. Engquist said he suspected that the wallet was dropped into a mailbox and ended up at the Post Office's Terminal Annex, which forwarded it to the Steindler home. Although police hoped the items might provide new clues in the case, nothing came of it.

Two years later, in a sensational killing, the body of sports promoter Victor J. "Vic" Weiss was found in the trunk of his Rolls-Royce at the Sheraton Universal Hotel about 3 1/2 miles from where Steindler's Cadillac was parked. Sources said he had been bound and shot in the back of the head.

Homicide Det. Ron Lewis said there were certain similarities between the Weiss killing and the Steindler case, although Det. Engquist said in 1987 that he doubted there was any connection. "There were not many parallels except that both were found in vehicles," he said.


Photograph by Gary Friedman / Los Angeles Times

Howard Steindler's office as his daughter Carol packs up the last of the memorabilia.

Engquist retired in 1991 and the case was given to Det. Mike Mejia, who said he suspected Steindler's killers may have been responsible for the murders of Charles Eugene Smith, who was found shot to death on the Hollywood Freeway on Nov. 26, 1976, the apparent victim of a "bump and rob" holdup; and James "Rusty" Arakawa, who was found, robbed and shot, near the Main Street Gym on Dec. 15, 1976.

[Police arrested Alex Verdell and Steven King on charges of killing Smith and alleged that they followed him from a bar. Verdell and King were set for a preliminary hearing but The Times never reported any outcome. The Times reported that a Caltrans crew found Smith's body in the ivy by the freeway, but the Steindler story says Smith was in his car.]

Whoever killed Howard Steindler apparently took two unusual rings.

With luck someone will recognize this jewelry and contact police.

In the years that followed, Carol Steindler ran the gym until it was demolished in 1984. She told The Times in 1999: "My father was always there for me in every way--mentally, physically and monetarily, every way you can think. I was so devastated. I just felt so empty. He was such a big part of my life and my son's life."

Steindler was given a memorial service at Hollywood Cemetery Chapel attended by about 1,000 people, including many famous names from the world of boxing. Rabbi David Leib told the crowd: "He gave the world not just one champion; he gave it two. He, himself, was a champion."

Last week, the Los Angeles City Council offered a $50,000 reward for leads in Steindler's killing. Anyone with information is asked to call (877) 529-3855.

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Time: 6:30 p.m.
Location: MARCONI AUTOMOTIVE MUSEUM
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My Mistake, not Boxrec's . . .

In an earlier post I stated that Boxrec had an incomplete record for featherweight Carlos Chavez. The error is mine, not Boxrec's. I didn't access Chavez complete record correctly. Apology to Hap Navarro for this. However, the post brought to light Carlos Chavez' bouts with Manuel Ortiz. The earliest taking place at the Legion and latter at the Olympic.

Hap, you mentioned that Ortiz would often let his 118lbs. balloon into a lightweight. A boxrec side note suggests in their very last go at the Olympic, Ortiz was in poor condition, not like their previous matches.

-Rick Farris