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Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 02:38
by Crease
p4p1 wrote:Have recently read though that he isn't sure he wants so much time off now as his baby will be born in may not March like originally thought.
But could you blame him if he took a bit of a wee break, McGregor has had a tough run of fights over the past 4-5 bouts.
That being said, you'd more than likely know a lot more about it than me Mr P4p1, i have a passing interest in the sport that seems to go back & forward in phases.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 07:33
by SaadOffTheDeck
What happened to wandy? Though mo/crocop is interesting. I haven't seen Heath herrings name in ages. Looks like carwin was pulled too?
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 15:49
by punchoutsb
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What happened to wandy? Though mo/crocop is interesting. I haven't seen Heath herrings name in ages. Looks like carwin was pulled too?
Cro Cop's official statement was that Silva pulled out because he's a coward and that if he see's him in Japan for the event in any capacity he will beat him up.
Wand says he is still recovering from his car accident back in May I think it was. Lots of name calling and they both seem to hate each other more know than in the past.
Carwin cited "family commitments" as his reason for needing to pull out. Haven't heard through anybody yet what those commitments are though.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 17:25
by SaadOffTheDeck
punchoutsb wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:What happened to wandy? Though mo/crocop is interesting. I haven't seen Heath herrings name in ages. Looks like carwin was pulled too?
Cro Cop's official statement was that Silva pulled out because he's a coward and that if he see's him in Japan for the event in any capacity he will beat him up.
Wand says he is still recovering from his car accident back in May I think it was. Lots of name calling and they both seem to hate each other more know than in the past.
Carwin cited "family commitments" as his reason for needing to pull out. Haven't heard through anybody yet what those commitments are though.

Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 18:14
by p4p1
Crease wrote:p4p1 wrote:Have recently read though that he isn't sure he wants so much time off now as his baby will be born in may not March like originally thought.
But could you blame him if he took a bit of a wee break, McGregor has had a tough run of fights over the past 4-5 bouts.
That being said, you'd more than likely know a lot more about it than me Mr P4p1, i have a passing interest in the sport that seems to go back & forward in phases.
I understand why he wants a break but he doesn't deserve one. He held the FW division up for an entire year and is now looking to do the same thing at LW. There's 2 clear contenders on 8 and 9 fight win streaks who both deserved the LW shot before McGregor and now they have to wait for him as well. No other champions have been able to take off 10 months just because they wanted to. There's no good reason as to why a healthy champion isn't defending. By the time he fights he would've been a UFC champion for almost 2 years without making a single defence. It's ridiculous that the UFC have to create interim titles to keep divisions moving while their champion is healthy.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 18:51
by SaadOffTheDeck
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 21:29
by Crease
p4p1 wrote:It's ridiculous that the UFC have to create interim titles to keep divisions moving while their champion is healthy.
Yeah I get what you are saying, no doubt if it was boxing, i'd be saying the exact same thing.

Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 22:15
by SaadOffTheDeck
In reality McGregor hasn't held up a thing. They're just putting an interim tag on this to appease the fighters who both deserve it and show them that one of them is getting the gold ticket. Those guys fighting is the right fight.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 23 Dec 2016, 22:18
by SaadOffTheDeck
Crease wrote:p4p1 wrote:It's ridiculous that the UFC have to create interim titles to keep divisions moving while their champion is healthy.
Yeah I get what you are saying, no doubt if it was boxing, i'd be saying the exact same thing.

He just hates Conor to irrational levels. If it was boxing and canelo split two wars with saunders at 68 and then destroyed ggg nobody would care about the 154 belt. The top 2 guys fought for it, max was next in line. Didn't change a damn thing.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 01:06
by p4p1
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Crease wrote:p4p1 wrote:It's ridiculous that the UFC have to create interim titles to keep divisions moving while their champion is healthy.
Yeah I get what you are saying, no doubt if it was boxing, i'd be saying the exact same thing.

He just hates Conor to irrational levels. If it was boxing and canelo split two wars with saunders at 68 and then destroyed ggg nobody would care about the 154 belt. The top 2 guys fought for it, max was next in line. Didn't change a damn thing.
Except it isn't boxing and there is only one title and was clear contenders in both 145 & 155. And he held job FW you need to get your head around that. And it did change a thing because Aldo refused to defend the interim title(as he should've) while the champ was healthy. Now max is going to Disneyland after his fight with Pettis, Aldo is saying he won't wait around for Max and will fight at 155. It could end up being 2 years before the is an actual title fight.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:In reality McGregor hasn't held up a thing. They're just putting an interim tag on this to appease the fighters who both deserve it and show them that one of them is getting the gold ticket. Those guys fighting is the right fight.
No it's not the right fight. Since he won the title Conor should be fighting both Khabib and Ferguson one after the other as both deserve the shot. Top 2 contenders shouldn't eliminate each other so the right fight can be made after the first one. The only guy it's right for is McGregor. Now because of the ludicrous situation the 145lb champ could somehow end up fighting for the 155lb title which although Aldo's record at FW should entitle him to a title shot when there are 2 guys so deserving at 155 he should have to wait his turn.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 02:33
by SaadOffTheDeck
Whatever you say. Bisping/Hendo sucked too.

Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 02:58
by p4p1
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever you say. Bisping/Hendo sucked too.

Yes the MW champ fighting the 14th ranked, 46yo fighter who was 3-6 going into the fight. That was a better fight to make than Bisping vs Romero or Jacare

Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 03:59
by SaadOffTheDeck
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 11:51
by zojo
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever you say. Bisping/Hendo sucked too.

I had Hendo winning
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 15:29
by Impractical Poster
What I have loved about the UFC is that they pretty much always have the #1 or #2 contender fighting for the title when it's supposed to happen. Not saying it's going to happen, but I hope Conor doesn't throw a wrench in this thing.
I agree with P4P here. Conor did affect the FW picture. If a champion is delaying fights, it definitely affects the division. And in Conor's case, it wasn't due to injury. I loved the Diaz fights, however, as much as they were entertaining, I'd rather see the integrity of the sport stay intact.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 18:17
by punchoutsb
A few are reporting that Cains back injury was enough that NSAC will not let him go against Werdum. Sounds like the fight may be/or already is scrapped.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 18:32
by punchoutsb
Cain tweeting that he hasn't been told fight is off and is still planning on fighting. One to keep an eye on though.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 19:47
by p4p1
Impractical Poster wrote:What I have loved about the UFC is that they pretty much always have the #1 or #2 contender fighting for the title when it's supposed to happen. Not saying it's going to happen, but I hope Conor doesn't throw a wrench in this thing.
I agree with P4P here. Conor did affect the FW picture. If a champion is delaying fights, it definitely affects the division. And in Conor's case, it wasn't due to injury. I loved the Diaz fights, however, as much as they were entertaining, I'd rather see the integrity of the sport stay intact.
That's my issue as well. I would watch Diaz and McGregor fight every week but as a long time boxing fan the thing that drew me to the UFC was the best fighting the best, no bullshit politics and one champion. Now that all this is happening I worry that the UFC adopt some of boxing worst habits.
Dana is now saying that McGregor and Khabib may fight in Russia but take that with a grain of salt because I don't think he ever says anything truthful. If the UFC is keen on getting into the Russian market though it's a smart move.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 19:55
by p4p1
punchoutsb wrote:Cain tweeting that he hasn't been told fight is off and is still planning on fighting. One to keep an eye on though.
Sounds like he is out from what I'm reading. Hard to tel with so many stories going around but it seems that the commission won't grant him a license.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 20:19
by Tomasino
zojo, wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever you say. Bisping/Hendo sucked too.

I had Hendo winning
Me too, it was close though. Dan had more effective striking, bisping landed a little more. Dan done much more damage. I respect Bisping for going against Hendo after he was destroyed before. He's as game as they come.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 20:26
by punchoutsb
p4p1 wrote:punchoutsb wrote:Cain tweeting that he hasn't been told fight is off and is still planning on fighting. One to keep an eye on though.
Sounds like he is out from what I'm reading. Hard to tel with so many stories going around but it seems that the commission won't grant him a license.
Yeah it sounds like NSAC is putting the kibosh on it. Cain is fighting for it, says he's been cleared.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 21:07
by punchoutsb
JDS wanted to step in, says the UFC offered it to Werdum and he turned it down.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 21:26
by p4p1
punchoutsb wrote:JDS wanted to step in, says the UFC offered it to Werdum and he turned it down.
Not surprising he's a horrible match up for Werdum.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 22:03
by Impractical Poster
As much as I hate to see this match up delayed even longer, it's for the best it doesn't happen. I'd rather see Cain at his best, win or lose.
Re: MMA thread?
Posted: 24 Dec 2016, 22:04
by Impractical Poster
p4p1 wrote:Impractical Poster wrote:What I have loved about the UFC is that they pretty much always have the #1 or #2 contender fighting for the title when it's supposed to happen. Not saying it's going to happen, but I hope Conor doesn't throw a wrench in this thing.
I agree with P4P here. Conor did affect the FW picture. If a champion is delaying fights, it definitely affects the division. And in Conor's case, it wasn't due to injury. I loved the Diaz fights, however, as much as they were entertaining, I'd rather see the integrity of the sport stay intact.
That's my issue as well. I would watch Diaz and McGregor fight every week but as a long time boxing fan the thing that drew me to the UFC was the best fighting the best, no bullshit politics and one champion. Now that all this is happening I worry that the UFC adopt some of boxing worst habits.
Dana is now saying that McGregor and Khabib may fight in Russia but take that with a grain of salt because I don't think he ever says anything truthful. If the UFC is keen on getting into the Russian market though it's a smart move.
I really hope he's not blowing smoke here. This is the perfect setup to burst into the Russian market with. He's probably working hard to get it done. Conor might be the big stumbling block though. I get the feeling he would like to avoid Khabib altogether.