Classic fights I've watched recently

[Tony1244]

So you watched it?

Not in its entirety as I posted eariler. It was too disturbing for me. Ugly scene.

As I said, if you aren't thinking it's Ali, it was a somewhat entertaining yet pretty much one sided fight. Much less one sided than Holmes-Ali, but that ain't saying much. A book on it peaked my interest to watch it.

[hhaehre]

Not in its entirety as I posted eariler. It was too disturbing for me. Ugly scene.

As I said, if you aren't thinking it's Ali, it was a somewhat entertaining yet pretty much one sided fight. Much less one sided than Holmes-Ali, but that ain't saying much. A book on it peaked my interest to watch it.

In a way it was more depressing than the Holmes fight. Here he's getting beat up by a crude mediocre slugger in a tent with a cowbell for a gong. A low rent affair by any standard, at least the Holmes fight was a mega fight for the title with all the trimmings. Anyway, it doesn't bother me to watch Ali's last two fights at all and I liked Ali. Those bothered by seeing Ali take punishment probably shouldn't have watched him after he came back at all and certainly not after Manila.

[Tony1244]

As I said, if you aren't thinking it's Ali, it was a somewhat entertaining yet pretty much one sided fight. Much less one sided than Holmes-Ali, but that ain't saying much. A book on it peaked my interest to watch it.

In a way it was more depressing than the Holmes fight. Here he's getting beat up by a crude mediocre slugger in a tent with a cowbell for a gong. A low rent affair by any standard, at least the Holmes fight was a mega fight for the title with all the trimmings. Anyway, it doesn't bother me to watch Ali's last two fights at all and I liked Ali. Those bothered by seeing Ali take punishment probably shouldn't have watched him after he came back at all and certainly not after Manila.

Good post. The cowbell was indicative of the worst promoted fight in history with a big name. Virtually everything about the fight was pathetic. It's still interesting though.

[milpool]

In a way it was more depressing than the Holmes fight. Here he's getting beat up by a crude mediocre slugger in a tent with a cowbell for a gong. A low rent affair by any standard, at least the Holmes fight was a mega fight for the title with all the trimmings. Anyway, it doesn't bother me to watch Ali's last two fights at all and I liked Ali. Those bothered by seeing Ali take punishment probably shouldn't have watched him after he came back at all and certainly not after Manila.

Good post. The cowbell was indicative of the worst promoted fight in history with a big name. Virtually everything about the fight was pathetic. It's still interesting though.

I find Ali’s final years fascinating and this prompted me to do a presentation on the Ali v Berbick fight as part of a job interview. Those that don’t know much about Ali assume that he beat all before him so it was interesting to see the reaction I got when I was going through my presentation and mentioning cow bells, fighters on the show having to use the same gloves and Ali being bested by a guy he would have toyed with in his pomp.

I didn’t get the job.

[Tony1244]

Good post. The cowbell was indicative of the worst promoted fight in history with a big name. Virtually everything about the fight was pathetic. It's still interesting though.

I find Ali’s final years fascinating and this prompted me to do a presentation on the Ali v Berbick fight as part of a job interview. Those that don’t know much about Ali assume that he beat all before him so it was interesting to see the reaction I got when I was going through my presentation and mentioning cow bells, fighters on the show having to use the same gloves and Ali being bested by a guy he would have toyed with in his pomp.

I didn’t get the job.

When Ali died, one of my boxing illiterate friends said, "I thought he was the greatest; but the obituary said he had 5 losses."

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Jose Luis Ramirez



Camacho absolutely schools Ramirez over 12 rounds to become World Lightweight champion, honestly Ramirez never had a sniff, you'd have thought he was a raw novice and not a defending champion, he was chasing shadows all night and just couldn't deal with the speed and slickness of Camacho who was punch perfect, he decked Ramirez in the 3rd, stiffened his legs with a left hand and another cuffing left helped Ramirez on his way down

After that it was just a case of Camacho constantly moving on his toes, in and out, side to side and bamboozling Ramirez with lightening quick punches, jabs, left hands over the top, right hooks and uppercuts, no matter what he threw he landed, a boxing masterclass

[elmersalsa]

Hector Camacho vs Jose Luis Ramirez



Camacho absolutely schools Ramirez over 12 rounds to become World Lightweight champion, honestly Ramirez never had a sniff, you'd have thought he was a raw novice and not a defending champion, he was chasing shadows all night and just couldn't deal with the speed and slickness of Camacho who was punch perfect, he decked Ramirez in the 3rd, stiffened his legs with a left hand and another cuffing left helped Ramirez on his way down

After that it was just a case of Camacho constantly moving on his toes, in and out, side to side and bamboozling Ramirez with lightening quick punches, jabs, left hands over the top, right hooks and uppercuts, no matter what he threw he landed, a boxing masterclass

That was Hector "Macho" Camacho last great performance in his prime. After that Edwin "Chapo" Rosario fight, Camacho was never the same fighter.

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Jose Luis Ramirez



Camacho absolutely schools Ramirez over 12 rounds to become World Lightweight champion, honestly Ramirez never had a sniff, you'd have thought he was a raw novice and not a defending champion, he was chasing shadows all night and just couldn't deal with the speed and slickness of Camacho who was punch perfect, he decked Ramirez in the 3rd, stiffened his legs with a left hand and another cuffing left helped Ramirez on his way down

After that it was just a case of Camacho constantly moving on his toes, in and out, side to side and bamboozling Ramirez with lightening quick punches, jabs, left hands over the top, right hooks and uppercuts, no matter what he threw he landed, a boxing masterclass

That was Hector "Macho" Camacho last great performance in his prime. After that Edwin "Chapo" Rosario fight, Camacho was never the same fighter.

Yeh so I believe, that's the fight I'm watching next

[oogiebe]

Jerry Quarry vs Ron Lyle

Classic Quarry fight as he switched up boxing and slugging with the bigger and stronger Lyle. It was interesting to note that Lyle's inexperience showed when he was stunned or hurt. He really didn't know what to do. I wonder what it would have been like had a more mature and prime Lyle faced Quarry. Like the one that fought Ali.

[chrisjs1985]

Lionel Rose vs. Alan Rudkin

An excellent contest and close fight. Rose sort of outclasses him early behind his jab and superior speed gets a number of good right hands in but once Rudkin gets into it he wins a lot of rounds on the stretch to the point where it's about even after 12. They go toe-to-toe the last three rounds as both were tired. It really could have gone either way but Rose got the split decision with one Australian judge giving a laughable 15-0 verdict tin his favor. One of the worst scorecards ever rendered in a title fight.

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Edwin Rosario



Camacho beats Rosario via SD to retain his World Lightweight title, he had to ride a few storms en route though, rocked with a left hook in the 5th he spent the rest of the round in survival mode and he was wobbled again in the 11th from a right hand and again had to work to survive, Rosario had other success as well throughout, he was the aggressor and backed Camacho up all night, getting home with jabs and straight rights

Camacho came back into things after the torrid 5th and started to pepper Rosario with some quick combination punching, still the rounds were close and as I say Rosario shook Camacho again late but Camacho held on to eek out a split

[Ambling Alp II]

Sometimes we forget how good Camacho was at one time, before he became a runner. He was an exciting fighter when he was young. Camacho-Rosario was a good fight.

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Howard Davis Jr



Camacho wins a 10 round UD in a non title Super Lightweight fight, easy win for Camacho who pretty much dominated the whole fight, the judges found a couple rounds to give to Davis but they were being generous from what I saw, he did have a spell in the middle where he looked like he might be finally starting to let his hands go but it was always too late in the round to win them IMO and after that he fizzled out

Camacho started off rapid, outjabbing the taller Davis and reeling off combinations before getting out of there to start again, lightening quick and Davis was too ponderous to cope, Camacho's body punching was his best asset along with the jab, he dug right hook in and in the later rounds was firing off to the body with both hands, real quality stuff, not the most entertaining fight but class from Camacho

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini



Camacho beats Mancini by SD to win the vacant World Super Lightweight title. great watch and a good blend of styles, the awkward slippery southpaw in Camacho against the come forward aggressive Mancini who fir 12 rounds never stopped marching forward, Camacho was the quickest out the blocks, up dancing on his toes countering Mancini with quick jabs and right hooks, spinning off and off setting Mancini but you sensed Mancini was just getting warmed up and when Camacho began to slow Mancini finally started to land his shots up close working the body and generally roughing up Camacho


The quality always lied with Camacho though but Mancini looked like he was walking him down and that's what would've picked him up a few rounds despite not always landing clean, Mancini just kept plugging away but it wasn't enough to get the win and Camacho seen it out to become a 3 weight world champ

[Ambling Alp II]

OK, I usually am with you, but not on this one. This was an absolutely terrible fight. Just awful. Camacho just ran the whole time. Mancini tried to catch him but usually was unable to. I thought Mancini should have got the decision because at least he was trying to do something offensively. You would be hard pressed to find 3 rounds that Camacho actually "won".

[Duran1970]

OK, I usually am with you, but not on this one. This was an absolutely terrible fight. Just awful. Camacho just ran the whole time. Mancini tried to catch him but usually was unable to. I thought Mancini should have got the decision because at least he was trying to do something offensively. You would be hard pressed to find 3 rounds that Camacho actually "won".

X2

[handsofstone]

OK, I usually am with you, but not on this one. This was an absolutely terrible fight. Just awful. Camacho just ran the whole time. Mancini tried to catch him but usually was unable to. I thought Mancini should have got the decision because at least he was trying to do something offensively. You would be hard pressed to find 3 rounds that Camacho actually "won".

I see where your coming from, it was probably Mancini's effort that made me enjoy, came out running at Camacho every round, I've been watching loads of Camacho lately and am used to him dominating guys on the back foot

[DrDuke]

James Bonecrusher Smith vs Mike Weaver I

Both tried to establish a jab from the fight's start, while Bonecrusher was better in it. And he didn't want to do just it, he bagan placing left hooks between the jabs. It looked like the hooks troubled Weaver. Then Bonecrusher connected left hook - right hook combo right on Weaver's chin. Mike was rocked and placed on the ropes. He tried to block the punches of Smith, but Bonecrusher was too aggressive, after a solid battery Weaver was finally down. He got up quickly, but he wobbled to the corner, where he looked disoriented, as he just stood in the corner without raising hands. The ref stopped the bout after that, right in the 1st round.

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Vinny Pazienza



Camacho outpoints Pazienza over 12 rounds to retain his World Super Lightweight title, pretty comfortable UD although the judges had Pazienza losing by a round, 3 rounds and only winning 1 round which was pretty shocking TBH, fair enough Camacho might have shown the slick skills, circling the rushing Pazienza and countering him with the jab but Pazienza was that aggressive that Camacho really had to rely on single shots because if he held his feet too long Pazienza was all over him like a rash

Several times in the fight Pazienza was able to trap Camacho on the ropes and hammer the body with both hands, for 12 rounds Pazienza never stopped bulling forward and making things difficult for Camacho was struggled to find breathing space, Pazienza was a bit wild especially with the head and lost a point in the 11th for it, it was irrelevant though as Camacho was too far ahead on 2 of the cards, good effort from Pazienza I though, he never had the skill of Camacho but his nothing wrong with his will

[Caractacus]

[DrDuke]

Mike Weaver vs James Bonecrusher Smith II

The fight started fast, as Bonecrusher pressed forward and trapped Weaver in the corner with a solid combo. Weaver was stunned by it and dropped in a flash knockdown. The fight continued with Smith pressing the action. Weaver started the 3rd round fast, hurt Smith a little bit, but he didn't earn much then, cause Bonecrusher equaled the round eventually. Since then Bonecrusher was dominating the bout. The fight slowed down by the mid-rounds, yet Bonecrusher began scoring more noticeably in the later rounds. In the 12th Weaver knew, that he was losing, so he tried to fight desperately, but he was tired. Bonecrusher was tired as well, however, he still was able to steal the round, as he hurt Mike a bit and put him to the ropes. Bonecrusher won by lopsided decision.

[handsofstone]

Hector Camacho vs Greg Haugen 1+2



Haugen claws things back to eek out a controversial SD to become World Super Lightweight champ and hand Camacho his first loss, controversial in the fact that Camacho could've got it and maybe should've although I never scored and it was close and controversial that the a harsh point deduction for Camacho in the 12th and final round for refusing to touch gloves at the start of the round resulting in him losing his title instead of retaining with a draw, the ref being a total knob and especially as Haugen was just as guilty and Camacho did actually hold his arm out straight before letting his hands go, terrible reffing


Things looked like they were heading fir the usual 12 round comfortable back foot win for Camacho more so when he decked Haugen with a top notch right hook in the 3rd but after that Haugen finally started to make Camacho work hard to keep it front, Haugen got in close worked the body, worked the head, missed with a lot but generally stopped Camacho from looking so smooth, you could say that the quality of the shot selection always came from Camacho but he was negative and pot shotted, Haugen brought the pressure and workrate but missed a lot, in the end with the last round deduction it was Haugen who got the nod


Camacho wins the rematch by SD to regain the title, should've been unanimous , it was an improvement from the first fight, Camacho was lot fitter this time and never allowed Haugen to pull things back, Haugen did press all night but he was pretty ineffective as Camacho never stayed still for 12 rounds, great lateral movement but again it was always pot shots from Camacho but he did have the quality and in a poor fight to watch, it was all you could really go by, Camacho will happily fight for whole fight on the back foot ad he did here again, deserved win but I wont be watching again in a hurry

[Nile4000]

Hector Camacho vs Howard Davis Jr



Camacho wins a 10 round UD in a non title Super Lightweight fight, easy win for Camacho who pretty much dominated the whole fight, the judges found a couple rounds to give to Davis but they were being generous from what I saw, he did have a spell in the middle where he looked like he might be finally starting to let his hands go but it was always too late in the round to win them IMO and after that he fizzled out

Camacho started off rapid, outjabbing the taller Davis and reeling off combinations before getting out of there to start again, lightening quick and Davis was too ponderous to cope, Camacho's body punching was his best asset along with the jab, he dug right hook in and in the later rounds was firing off to the body with both hands, real quality stuff, not the most entertaining fight but class from Camacho

May have been a different result of this was in 1983.

[handsofstone]

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Hector Camacho



Chavez beats Camacho by a wide UD to retain his World Super Lightweight title, it was a beatdown for Camacho and the worst drubbing ive seen him take, he fought mainly how he always fought on the backfoot trying to counter but it didn't work this time because Chavez was just too smart and relentless , he was able to nail Camacho with the right cross and trap him on the ropes and dig in sickening body shots, especially the lefts

By the later rounds Camacho was well behind on the card and looking busted up and it might have looked like being stopped watching it live but credit to Camacho and his massive stones, he started to stand his ground and tough it out with Chavez, it did play into Chavez's hands and allowed him to get home some hard punches but Camacho was landing as well, still it wasn't enough and Chavez won a wide decision

[handsofstone]

Felix Trinidad vs Hector Camacho



Trinidad beats Camacho via UD to retain his World Welterweight title, not a classic and every round seemed to play out the same, Trinidad marching forward, walking Camacho down trying to slow him down to the body while Camcho was up on his toes moving side to side, plenty of lateral movement and peppering away with single counters, both guys lost points, Trinidad in the 5th for rabbit punches and Camacho for holding in the 11th

As I say not a great fight with many punches landed but Trinidad's body work was probably the most impressive thing on display