Fury V McDermott, disgusting! (Super-Merged)

[Hagler2002]

or to put it in a way more people might understand:

How many times would you want to catch your wife f*cking another bloke before you got rid of her.

I'm getting a lot of, "let's give it another go love.." on this forum.

Cheating is cheating, IMO.

What proof do you have he cheated? Right or wrong he scored the fight as he seen it, and done a good job reffing it, the way you're going about it you want him sentenced to death at the Tower of London.

[n1ebf]

or to put it in a way more people might understand:

How many times would you want to catch your wife f*cking another bloke before you got rid of her.

I'm getting a lot of, "let's give it another go love.." on this forum.

Cheating is cheating, IMO.

How do you know it was cheating?

I don't know anything, I said in my opinion.

but as a gauge read my comments on the thread.

[dondada]

or to put it in a way more people might understand:

How many times would you want to catch your wife f*cking another bloke before you got rid of her.

I'm getting a lot of, "let's give it another go love.." on this forum.

Cheating is cheating, IMO.

Now you're just being daft.

To be honest though, maybe Terry does need a break from being sole arbiter. I don't see anything wrong with his refereeing though.

[n1ebf]

And how is it 'sweeping it under the carpet'? Isn't it doing the opposite? I think the ref got it wildly wrong but if you start throwing their verdicts out, you're f*cked. I admire your sense of morality and justice but just think of the consequences of overturning ref's decisions.

there wouldn't be any consequences......some p*ssed of promoter or Dad giving it windbags over a 2 point "perceived or otherwise reverse" wouldn't merit looking into in the same way as an English title fight getting butchered like that.

But yes, I think a scrap at that level needs more than one man, or vested interest, in charge. A panel??....who knows. 2 judges can be as inept/ perceivably on the take, as one, doesn't , mean the game would be cleaned up any.

Face it. Boxing was dodgy, is dodgy, always will be dodgy. Talk to Paulie Malignaggi. All my opinion, of course.

Seriously, who'd look at that on the Tele and say, that looks like a good job (boxer). You'd be better advised to place your efforts elsewhere, wouldn't you?

[Horse]

I'm trying to highlight the fact that Mcdermott won and a sweepy under the carpet rematch does nothing for the sport.

"Well done John"....."get in again John"........"risk your health John when you've won once already"....."pat pat John, unlucky, these things happen"........

Anyone that subscribes to that mentality has got utter mug written all over them.

So, if anyone disagrees with you then they are a mug?

A rematch is the best way of sorting this situation out. Unless there was some sort of illegal activity involving the referee, then the result should stand.

[n1ebf]

sg:

it was the ref's decision and that's final.

well that;s the problem mate, because that right there covers a multitude and always has.

IMO- was an abbreviation for In My Opinion, with reference to all of the comments I have made.

With the exception that massive percentage of posters on this forum scored the fight to Mcdermott, whereas the ref, let's give him his name, Mr Terry O'Connor, scored 80% of a whole TEN rounds, in the opposite direction. That bit's not my opinion, that's fact.

But hey, what the f*ck does Watt know, he only got to the very top.

[Hagler2002]

Seriously, who'd look at that on the Tele and say, that looks like a good job (boxer). You'd be better advised to place your efforts elsewhere, wouldn't you?

Do you honestly think people watch boxing on the TV and think I like the look of that I'm going to do that for a job

[n1ebf]

or to put it in a way more people might understand:

How many times would you want to catch your wife f*cking another bloke before you got rid of her.

I'm getting a lot of, "let's give it another go love.." on this forum.

Cheating is cheating, IMO.

What proof do you have he cheated? Right or wrong he scored the fight as he seen it, and done a good job reffing it, the way you're going about it you want him sentenced to death at the Tower of London.

not at all. And I have NO proof. I'd just feel better if he got chucked out the game because, and this is solely my feeling, a stink job is a stink job.
And if it wasn't a stink job, and I have no idea whether it was or wasn't, then just chuck him for gross ineptitude.

Because he's meant to be (and paid to be) an expert, whereas I am not. And he gave it SIX rounds to Fury folks, not one, not 2 , not 3, not 4........but 6.

The most generous poster (and there haven't been many), scored 2 rounds in Fury's favour.......so let me ask you some questions this time....please explain to me why you (all) think he scored it so far in Fury's favour?

[dondada]

But hey, what the f*ck does Watt know, he only got to the very top.

So, would you respect what Watt would advise in this case?

[dondada]

or to put it in a way more people might understand:

How many times would you want to catch your wife f*cking another bloke before you got rid of her.

I'm getting a lot of, "let's give it another go love.." on this forum.

Cheating is cheating, IMO.

What proof do you have he cheated? Right or wrong he scored the fight as he seen it, and done a good job reffing it, the way you're going about it you want him sentenced to death at the Tower of London.

not at all. And I have NO proof. I'd just feel better if he got chucked out the game because, and this is solely my feeling, a stink job is a stink job.
And if it wasn't a stink job, and I have no idea whether it was or wasn't, then just chuck him for gross ineptitude.

Because he's meant to be (and paid to be) an expert, whereas I am not. And he gave it SIX rounds to Fury folks, not one, not 2 , not 3, not 4........but 6.

The most generous poster (and there haven't been many), scored 2 rounds in Fury's favour.......so let me ask you some questions this time....please explain to me why you (all) think he scored it so far in Fury's favour?

Did you have a problem with his refeering as opposed to his scoring?

[n1ebf]

Seriously, who'd look at that on the Tele and say, that looks like a good job (boxer). You'd be better advised to place your efforts elsewhere, wouldn't you?

Do you honestly think people watch boxing on the TV and think I like the look of that I'm going to do that for a job

kids do boss yeah....sh*t loads of 'em.

Do you never read the BN 60 second interview and see what got most of 'em started? Watching Mick Tyson is a very popular answer.

[n1ebf]

sg:

it was the ref's decision and that's final.

well that;s the problem mate, because that right there covers a multitude and always has.

IMO- was an abbreviation for In My Opinion, with reference to all of the comments I have made.

With the exception that massive percentage of posters on this forum scored the fight to Mcdermott, whereas the ref, let's give him his name, Mr Terry O'Connor, scored 80% of a whole TEN rounds, in the opposite direction. That bit's not my opinion, that's fact.

But hey, what the f*ck does Watt know, he only got to the very top.

Look, they both went into that fight knowing how it was going to be judged. Unless they can prove the ref was influenced then the result should stand, he was paid to ref and judge the fight, which he did, rightly or wrongly.

As for imo, I know what that means but you said 'cheating is cheating imo' thats not the same as 'they cheated in my opinion' or 'in my opinion they cheated'

I would like to watch the fight again but until it goes on Youtube I won't be able to.

As for your IMO comments.....that is precisely the same thing. As for "evidence of any cheating"...you wouldn't find any if there was some, which I'm not saying that there is. That's why it's all about opinion. My opinion is that John McD....the man labelled stepping stone Mcmuffin fat boy...won that fight and won it well.

[Hagler2002]

I thought 3 of the first 4 rnds were very close and could have gone either way, Fury definitely won at least another 2 later in the fight, at best Fury could have got a draw or even nicked a controversial decision I think what pissed a lot of people off was the margian he won it by which was wrong.

Sky commentary also has a big influence on the viewer and the bookies, watching Molitor-Hunter Jim Watt had Hunter ahead in the fight and was singing his praises when in all honesty he had took a pasting for 5 rnds, that's just one example there is plenty others where I've been amazed with how biased they can be for the home fighter.

[n1ebf]

But hey, what the f*ck does Watt know, he only got to the very top.

So, would you respect what Watt would advise in this case?

i don't know I'd have to hear it first.

[dondada]

watching Molitor-Hunter Jim Watt had Hunter ahead in the fight and was singing his praises when in all honesty he had took a pasting for 5 rnds, that's just one example there is plenty others where I've been amazed with how biased they can be for the home fighter.

Is that right? I can't remember that. I'll tell you what I can remember - Hunter didn't win anything in that fight. I think Watt's great but if he was saying that, it's an eye opener for me. He was a fan of Hunter though and does like to be behind the home fighter - I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as it's within reason.

[Hagler2002]

watching Molitor-Hunter Jim Watt had Hunter ahead in the fight and was singing his praises when in all honesty he had took a pasting for 5 rnds, that's just one example there is plenty others where I've been amazed with how biased they can be for the home fighter.

Is that right? I can't remember that. I'll tell you what I can remember - Hunter didn't win anything in that fight. I think Watt's great but if he was saying that, it's an eye opener for me. He was a fan of Hunter though and does like to be behind the home fighter - I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as it's within reason.

Yeah I remember it vividly as I had a decent size bet on Molitor and I remember thinking wtf is Watt on about

[n1ebf]

I thought 3 of the first 4 rnds were very close and could have gone either way, Fury definitely won at least another 2 later in the fight, at best Fury could have got a draw or even nicked a controversial decision I think what pissed a lot of people off was the margian he won it by which was wrong.

Sky commentary also has a big influence on the viewer and the bookies, watching Molitor-Hunter Jim Watt had Hunter ahead in the fight and was singing his praises when in all honesty he had took a pasting for 5 rnds, that's just one example there is plenty others where I've been amazed with how biased they can be for the home fighter.

firstly to Ian...I can't embed over 3 etc... so.....

I don't have a problem with O'Connor's handling of the contest at all. I'll make a fool of myself here, such is my honesty, I tuned in in the middle of round 3 D ....it seems Fury got a good start. TBH I was happy the contest was still going on!!...I looked quick sharp to Mcdermott's face expecting it to be a mess......f*ck me, smooth as a baby's bum. I then sat back and enjoyed watching the smaller, less fancied, publicly ridiculed man, go about bossing the upstart around the ring.

From 7, Fury was gassed, the KO seemed inevitable....no problem, there was by now absolutely no snap at all in Fury's punching, he started to resemble a big Walrus settling in for the winter (so much for mr super-fly athlete)...he pawed impotently with the (illegal) part ofhis hand at Mcdermott's belly. Yes, he rallied a bit and I commend him for it, exhausted as he was he showed some fight......I did not like the way that Mcdermott (rather stupidly) kept turning his back. In the rounds I saw, I made Mcdermott enough a clear enough winner enough to havegiven away the 2 and a half rounds thatI missed......98-92 should have been an impossibility.

So the judging, not reffing, was my problem (he should have warned McD' for turning his back!)


Hagler......

Hunter Molitor. Hunter, tbh, did not really be in the ring long enough to be outclassed, let alone pasted!!....it was a cagey fight, Michael tried to play Molitor at his own game, and basically the punch tht put Michael down was the first real shot by either fighter to connect. The 2nd knockdown (and ending) again, was the only other shot of note, flush to the temple and virtualy light speed. Hunter may as well have been hit by a truck. Some people say he bottled it. I have never been hit by Steve Molitor.....but I truly doubt Michael Hunter bottled that fight, especialy over people's opinions who have never had a fight as some of them would be.
I've got distracted....if Watt had Hunter ahead then he was obviously trying to look on the brghtside....if you watch it again though I think Watt was clinging to any positive he could, he knew what was happenening....a little bit like the way ITV4 would occasionally say "HERE'S GOOD WORK BY GLOVER..." (vs. O Donnell), when in reality he was having no such success.

[n1ebf]

watching Molitor-Hunter Jim Watt had Hunter ahead in the fight and was singing his praises when in all honesty he had took a pasting for 5 rnds, that's just one example there is plenty others where I've been amazed with how biased they can be for the home fighter.

Is that right? I can't remember that. I'll tell you what I can remember - Hunter didn't win anything in that fight. I think Watt's great but if he was saying that, it's an eye opener for me. He was a fan of Hunter though and does like to be behind the home fighter - I don't think there's anything wrong with that as long as it's within reason.

he wasn't....he was really trying hard to keep it afloat as a contest, and possibly through a little bit of Brit patriotism too. He knew what was going on, I've pointed out to Hagler.

[Hagler2002]

Hagler......

Hunter Molitor. Hunter, tbh, did not really be in the ring long enough to be outclassed, let alone pasted!!

He was in there for 5 rnds, that's plenty time to get a pasting

[n1ebf]

Hagler......

Hunter Molitor. Hunter, tbh, did not really be in the ring long enough to be outclassed, let alone pasted!!

He was in there for 5 rnds, that's plenty time to get a pasting

well you need to watch it again buddy

i'm not saying he had much chance......if he'd gone hell for leather (his game) he probably still would have lost. But he got stopped by the only real punches of the whole fight.

1 2 3 was very very nip tuck and Hunter showed good discipline and respect for world class. Clever boy. That's what made it all the more staggering when Molitor got ripped up in 4 by that Panamanian.......(I bet we both wish we'd backed that horse!).....to be fair I think that guy's a bit of a freak......how do you really beat someone who is as bigger and stronger than you but just as fast.

Hunter Molitor by the way.....best atmosphere of all time.

[stujones]

I wonder if O Conner DID dock a point of McDermott for turning his back - thats something that needs to be addressed by the BBBoC. Point deductions on referee'd scored contest still do not have to be clearly indicated.

Did he dock a point for the first round antics also?

[Coco]

If you dock a point it must be shown at the time, surely??
Even then they would still be 10-10 rounds as McDeromott was winning them, and 98-92 shows a clear 8 rounds to 2 in scoring

[Horse]

If you dock a point it must be shown at the time, surely??
Even then they would still be 10-10 rounds as McDeromott was winning them, and 98-92 shows a clear 8 rounds to 2 in scoring

McDermott wasn't winning the last two rounds. If he was deducted points in those rounds then they would be 10-8 rounds for Fury.

[Coco]

If you dock a point it must be shown at the time, surely??
Even then they would still be 10-10 rounds as McDeromott was winning them, and 98-92 shows a clear 8 rounds to 2 in scoring

McDermott wasn't winning the last two rounds. If he was deducted points in those rounds then they would be 10-8 rounds for Fury.

The scores would have been 98-94 then

[Asterix]

If you dock a point it must be shown at the time, surely??
Even then they would still be 10-10 rounds as McDeromott was winning them, and 98-92 shows a clear 8 rounds to 2 in scoring

McDermott wasn't winning the last two rounds. If he was deducted points in those rounds then they would be 10-8 rounds for Fury.

Fury was exhausted and throwing punches with absolutely no pop behind them.