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finchy36 wrote:It is simple. All the British people want is the following:

1. A Government that will put its own people first without discriminating unfairly on others

2. Treat criminals harshly - life means life etc. 10 years mean 10 years etc.

3. Be honest with our kids and get rid of political correctness

4. Be true to its people and stop scoffing the trough - stand up to Europe without excluding ourselves

5. Bin the human rights act


Unfortuantely, ALL politicians are in it for themselves and don't care about us - and if we want to go really deep then we all know that they don't run the country anyway.....................

Griffin is a dick, but some of the things he says are bang on - other things he says are ridiculous...

we just need someone to stand up for British rights without being racist or extreme....SEEMPLES!!!!!!!!!!

1 - What does this mean exactly - define fairly, whose definition of fairly, this is rather wooly thinking, you need firm policies not vague notions of fairness.

2 - Where are we going to find the room to put all these criminals, our jails our full to bursting point already, and prison populations are increasing every single year. - people who go in for minor misdemeanours such as council tax evasion -should not be in jail, there is little chance of rehabilitation in Jail, as the prisons are full of career criminals - not the best company to keep. Jail is not just about punishment - it's meant to rehabilitate criminals as well, in this it is failing miserably.

3 - Be honest with them about what exactly, - what is it they are being lied to about precisely - again, very vague to the point of being meaningless and useless.

4 - Again, stand up to Europe about what precisely, what is the problem that needs addressing. What would you suggest, pulling out of the European union? That would be a disaster for the UK - Europe is now a larger trading block than the USA and still growing.

5 What do you have against the human rights act? There may be some parts of it which can be turned to the advantage of criminals or other undesirables, but most of their cases are thrown out of court as they simply don't have a leg to stand on.


The honest truth is that none of us really has a clue how complicated the job of government is, politicians are dealing with hugely complex issues, which have no obvious solutions - if it was so easy to crack, we'd have a utopian society years ago.

sg1985 wrote:

WildWaylon wrote: Sorry mate but there is a huge difference between men with women and men with men. Homosexuality is unnatural and belongs behind closed doors. Of course we see men and women kissing at railway stations and airports etc but that is acceptable normal behaviour. It sickens me when people try to normalise something that is neither normal or natural. The law was only changed to stop homosexuals from being blackmailed. It was never intended that they should go this far and ram their unnatural behavior in our faces. Yes, I feel uncomfortable with it and I have a right to feel that way.

Grow up!! Not normal? Who are you to judge what is normal? I want you to explain why homosexuality isn't normal?

To put it crudely men are supposed to put their donga up a womans fanny to make babies, thats normal, thats how you and I got here. A family means a man, a woman and kids, thats normal, not two blokes. I suppose you have grown up in modern times, when almost anythings goes. I suppose when you get drunk you make loads of noise comming home and expect your neighbours to shut their windows. If they dont like it, its their problem, not mine, sort of attitude. Why should we have to put up with unnexeptable behaviour.

banjo wrote:

Des1 wrote: Yes but England has took ownership of many countries which the natives are now coming here. I didn't say that England has never been invaded? By the matter of fact way you say they have are you suggesting along the lines that if someone punches you in the face that makes it ok to walk up to someone else and do the same?

No but that's our nature, forget this "we're human beings" baloney because it's a load of nonsense, we're no different from any other animal, we prey on other species, we fight amongst ourselves(although our fights tend to be a million times more destructive than say two lions fighting each other), we were never born to love each other, we were born to survive.

Its not my nature, why forget we're humans? how is it nonsence? You say "we are no different from any other animal", "we prey on other species". So we're all human unless the man next to us has different colour skin or of different nationalty..then their another species so we should "prey on them. You may think like that but I dont but even on your thinking the same can be true then when with British which has invaded and took ownership of the counties which people are coming here from. Look how many countries this country has taken over. Like I said, the Commonwealth counties 'belong' to Britian because Britian invaded, settled and took over them.

WildWaylon wrote:

sg1985 wrote:

WildWaylon wrote: Sorry mate but there is a huge difference between men with women and men with men. Homosexuality is unnatural and belongs behind closed doors. Of course we see men and women kissing at railway stations and airports etc but that is acceptable normal behaviour. It sickens me when people try to normalise something that is neither normal or natural. The law was only changed to stop homosexuals from being blackmailed. It was never intended that they should go this far and ram their unnatural behavior in our faces. Yes, I feel uncomfortable with it and I have a right to feel that way.

Grow up!! Not normal? Who are you to judge what is normal? I want you to explain why homosexuality isn't normal?

To put it crudely men are supposed to put their donga up a womans fanny to make babies, thats normal, thats how you and I got here. A family means a man, a woman and kids, thats normal, not two blokes. I suppose you have grown up in modern times, when almost anythings goes. I suppose when you get drunk you make loads of noise comming home and expect your neighbours to shut their windows. If they dont like it, its their problem, not mine, sort of attitude. Why should we have to put up with unnexeptable behaviour.

So you think that batty bumming is a recent invention - it's almost certainly been around as long as humanity, the ancient greeks were all over it and I'm sure it's existed in one form or another since the dawn of humanity. If that's the case, it is normal insofar as it is a part of human behaviour, and therefore should be tolerated whether or not one is so inclined oneself.

Cmon, we are apes and the only real reason for sex is procreation, society has made it 'more fun and casual'

Same with bottymanism, that was a society issue as women were seen as second class citizens in ancient times so men had sex with men!! It is hardly normal but in turn should not be demonised.

The Spartans were encouraged to have sex with children, that wasnt 'normal' either but was certianly part of society

WildWaylon wrote: Why should we have to put up with unnexeptable behaviour.

the same reason we have to put up with unacceptable spelling.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: 2 - Where are we going to find the room to put all these criminals, our jails our full to bursting point already, and prison populations are increasing every single year. - people who go in for minor misdemeanours such as council tax evasion -should not be in jail, there is little chance of rehabilitation in Jail, as the prisons are full of career criminals - not the best company to keep. Jail is not just about punishment - it's meant to rehabilitate criminals as well, in this it is failing miserably..

The justice system needs serious reform

1. Build more prisons
2. Pedos who actually commit attacks need to get life imprisonment, they get 18months in jokes of sentences
3. Criminals should have to actually pay off their debt to society by working in prison. If not they should not get out for good behaviour. There should be actually more chance for rehabilitation, such as education/training/work experience.
4. Violent crimes need serious sentences, not the joke 1s around today
5. Council Tax evaders and income tax fraudsters shouldnt be sent to prison, they should have their employment cheques taxed and interest added to their debt


Our country is run by the corrupt and the incompetant so don't expect any of these changes to happen

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you think that batty bumming is a recent invention - it's almost certainly been around as long as humanity, the ancient greeks were all over it and I'm sure it's existed in one form or another since the dawn of humanity. If that's the case, it is normal insofar as it is a part of human behaviour, and therefore should be tolerated whether or not one is so inclined oneself.

Yep theres homosexual animals too, I blame the media's influence in corrupting our poor little kittens

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: 2 - Where are we going to find the room to put all these criminals, our jails our full to bursting point already, and prison populations are increasing every single year. - people who go in for minor misdemeanours such as council tax evasion -should not be in jail, there is little chance of rehabilitation in Jail, as the prisons are full of career criminals - not the best company to keep. Jail is not just about punishment - it's meant to rehabilitate criminals as well, in this it is failing miserably..

The justice system needs serious reform

1. Build more prisons
2. Pedos who actually commit attacks need to get life imprisonment, they get 18months in jokes of sentences
3. Criminals should have to actually pay off their debt to society by working in prison. If not they should not get out for good behaviour. There should be actually more chance for rehabilitation, such as education/training/work experience.
4. Violent crimes need serious sentences, not the joke 1s around today
5. Council Tax evaders and income tax fraudsters shouldnt be sent to prison, they should have their employment cheques taxed and interest added to their debt


Our country is run by the corrupt and the incompetant so don't expect any of these changes to happen

don't be silly. every crime is different. you can't just say "all so and sos have to be jailed." as to frauf, tax evasion, surely will we see plenty more of this, during a bloody recession in a country that's on borrowed money and borrowed time, with a paucity of jobs to offer. i agree that this contry is run by the corrupt and the incompetent, without wanting to generalise.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you think that batty bumming is a recent invention - it's almost certainly been around as long as humanity, the ancient greeks were all over it and I'm sure it's existed in one form or another since the dawn of humanity. If that's the case, it is normal insofar as it is a part of human behaviour, and therefore should be tolerated whether or not one is so inclined oneself.

nicely put.

MatthewS wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: So you think that batty bumming is a recent invention - it's almost certainly been around as long as humanity, the ancient greeks were all over it and I'm sure it's existed in one form or another since the dawn of humanity. If that's the case, it is normal insofar as it is a part of human behaviour, and therefore should be tolerated whether or not one is so inclined oneself.

nicely put.

I have to concur that the old Greeks are still heavily into the batty action. Many bearded machos gardening uphill, it must be said.

In fact, it often tends to be the traditionally "macho" societies that have a high proportion of fudge pushers. Take the aussies, they give it large about hard yakka and the rough and ready male, yet they practice anal banditry at an alarming rate.

For me at least, the bottom line is that a schlong and a male arse do not belong together. It is not "normal" at all. It is abnormal. That is why 90% of males would never even entertain the idea, let alond go anywhere near it.

No thanks, let the bufties do what they want, but it`s not my mug of pish. Give me a filthy bint any day of the week.

In the words of the great Scottish poet "No ma arse, no ma feckin arse"

forcefraser wrote:

MatthewS wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: the ancient greeks were all over it

nicely put.

I have to concur that the old Greeks are still heavily into the batty action. Many bearded machos gardening uphill, it must be said.

In fact, it often tends to be the traditionally "macho" societies that have a high proportion of fudge pushers. Take the aussies, they give it large about hard yakka and the rough and ready male, yet they practice anal banditry at an alarming rate.

For me at least, the bottom line is that a schlong and a male arse do not belong together. It is not "normal" at all. It is abnormal. That is why 90% of males would never even entertain the idea, let alond go anywhere near it.

No thanks, let the bufties do what they want, but it`s not my mug of pish. Give me a filthy bint any day of the week.

In the words of the great Scottish poet "No ma arse, no ma feckin arse"

I think it was on an episode of QI when Alan Davies sums up the greeks for us by saying 'wrote a few books and occasionally bummed eachother' (although that might have been Mock The Week, now I think of it)

And that scene in The Wire when McNulty says 'The Greeks invented civilisation" and Bunk replies 'yeah, and ass-fcuking too!'

Des1 wrote:Its not my nature, why forget we're humans? how is it nonsence? You say "we are no different from any other animal", "we prey on other species". So we're all human unless the man next to us has different colour skin or of different nationalty..then their another species so we should "prey on them. You may think like that but I dont but even on your thinking the same can be true then when with British which has invaded and took ownership of the counties which people are coming here from. Look how many countries this country has taken over. Like I said, the Commonwealth counties 'belong' to Britian because Britian invaded, settled and took over them.

It is your nature you just refuse to accept it, we the self proclaimed "superior species" are animals, born to hunt, kill and survive and I never said people with different colour skin were another species because they are not, they are the same species as me and you, I said we fight amongst ourselves, fight over territory and prey on other species just like any other animal.

2 - Where are we going to find the room to put all these criminals, our jails our full to bursting point already, and prison populations are increasing every single year. - people who go in for minor misdemeanours such as council tax evasion -should not be in jail, there is little chance of rehabilitation in Jail, as the prisons are full of career criminals - not the best company to keep. Jail is not just about punishment - it's meant to rehabilitate criminals as well, in this it is failing miserably.

Most of that I agree with but certain criminals can never be rehabilitated for various reasons.

sg1985 wrote:
Why are men supposed to put their 'donga's' up women's 'fanny's'? Who says so? Who made that up? Why is that more normal? Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years just like heterosexuality.

Why do men put their `dongas` up womens `fannys`? who made that up you ask? Evolution .. thats how our species continues and advances. If we were meant to do it your way them wouldn`t men be shitting babies out by now?

I don`t argue that homosexuality has been around for thousands of years. But put simply, it isn`t what we were designed for as a species.

I got nothing against gays. Each to their own.

sg1985 wrote:
They are not urban, the places you mentioned are mainly used now by commuters which makes them suburban areas, well the greater Manchester parts anyway, I don't know about warrington/runcorn as I already stated.

Bloody Chinese internet - I have to write this again!

Wigan and Bolton are not commuter suburbs of Manchester, Never have been. parts of Wigan were commuter suburbs for people from Liverpool
but scousers stopped coming to live in Wigan around about the 1980s. My take of the meaning of urban is 'shops, houses, nightclubs, pubs etc' which characterises most towns in the North West. Wigan has never been part of Manchester and nor has Bolton though they are incorporated into the artificial county of Greater Manchester. Wigan still raises its own taxes, has its own council etc seperate from Manchester. As does Bolton.

If you are insinuating that Wigan, Bolton etc are more suburban ie genteel than Manchester. There are suburban type housing even in Moss Side - or there was when I was living there. Wythenshawe is surrounded with some of the most expensive farmland in Europe. travel three miles on a pushbike out of Longsight and you are in Cheadle - former home of the Beckhams whereas St Helens is probably one of the biggest shitholes in the UK. There are urban and suburban type of housing all over the north west. There is no 'white flight' like there is in London where people want to move out to Essex and Hertfordshire. Mancunians like living in Manchester and scousers like living in Liverpool thus the reason why there are still a high density of white people living there unlike some parts of London.

As for them being minorities in these areas, show me an area like Oldham, and Bolton that they are the majority in? Even in inner city areas like rusholme, moss side, longsight where there is a very high population of non-whites they are the minority.

I said that in my previous post if you care to read.

Yes there is a mosque in Leigh, its been there since I was a young lad, so at least 17/18 years. I don't think it matters where I'm from, I do know haydock, goldbourne, ashton in makerfield, leigh, wigan, tyldesley, atherton, hindley well though.

'I think people see multi-culturalism in the East end of London and think that its the same everywhere - and its not!'

There are4 a lot of places like that, that was the point I was making, not just in cities, obviously not out in the country, but towns. Granted a lot of the places you mentioned are very white.

My problem and my point is that when the BBC want to discuss multi -culturalism and then use the East End of London as an example - nobody is being done any favours - they are using extreme examples. There are lots of places in Britian like Sunderland. where 99.4% of the population is white and the only time they see a black person is when they go to the stadium of light to see one of them play for the team!

The BNP are very popular in Sunderland? Why? Because they are getting extreme reporting not just from the likes of the Daily Mail but from the BBC - hysterical, guttersnipe reporting from people who should know better. Simple as that really.

Seeing as you know Leigh - does Leigh have anything other than a tiny, miniscule muslim population?

I think the comment that summed up Nick Griffin perfectly on the night was "Wolf in sheep's clothing" He is trying to come across as more moderate and hiding his true hate for Gays, Blacks, Asians, Jews etc. It's the only way he can get support from the poor and uneducated in this country, these are the people that vote for him, but most are not really racist like he is.

Never forget that 15 years ago he and his fellow crownies were walking around with skin heads and dock martins kicking fcuk out of people just for being none white. The guy has two dogs called Anne & Frank FFS.

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think the comment that summed up Nick Griffin perfectly on the night was "Wolf in sheep's clothing" He is trying to come across as more moderate and hiding his true hate for Gays, Blacks, Asians, Jews etc. It's the only way he can get support from the poor and uneducated in this country, these are the people that vote for him, but most are not really racist like he is.

Never forget that 15 years ago he and his fellow crownies were walking around with skin heads and dock martins kicking fcuk out of people just for being none white. The guy has two dogs called Anne & Frank FFS.

Damn straight.

It's the ability of the far right to hijack normal people's discontent that worries me.

If you have a problem with the state of Britain, fine, let's talk about it & sort it out, but FFS don't vote in a bunch of actual real-life honest-to-dog Nazis.

Datsue wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think the comment that summed up Nick Griffin perfectly on the night was "Wolf in sheep's clothing" He is trying to come across as more moderate and hiding his true hate for Gays, Blacks, Asians, Jews etc. It's the only way he can get support from the poor and uneducated in this country, these are the people that vote for him, but most are not really racist like he is.

Never forget that 15 years ago he and his fellow crownies were walking around with skin heads and dock martins kicking fcuk out of people just for being none white. The guy has two dogs called Anne & Frank FFS.

Damn straight.

It's the ability of the far right to hijack normal people's discontent that worries me.

If you have a problem with the state of Britain, fine, let's talk about it & sort it out, but FFS don't vote in a bunch of actual real-life honest-to-dog Nazis.

Sadly this is how Nazi Germany came to be, manipulating the desperate and uneducated so that they got into power we just have to make sure it doesn't happen here.

Datsue wrote:If you have a problem with the state of Britain, fine, let's talk about it & sort it out, but FFS don't vote in a bunch of actual real-life honest-to-dog Nazis.

Talk about it with who?

Horse wrote:

Datsue wrote:If you have a problem with the state of Britain, fine, let's talk about it & sort it out, but FFS don't vote in a bunch of actual real-life honest-to-dog Nazis.

Talk about it with who?

Frank

MatthewS wrote:

WildWaylon wrote: Why should we have to put up with unnexeptable behaviour.

the same reason we have to put up with unacceptable spelling.

LOL I dont have a secretary anymore.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Mensa07 wrote:well likewise sg mate, who are you to judge whats normal?

Actually I don't agree homosexuality should only go on behind closed doors, any more than heterosex. but just to reiterate the original point, I (like Griffin) am uncomfortable with the sight of 2 blokes kissing.

Well that's your problem - It makes me squirm a bit, but that's my problem, not theirs.

never said it was their problem.

ps. I can vouch for there being no mosque in Widnes, don't think there's any in fact between liverpool & manchester.

Excellent post! I totally agree with what you are saying! It pains you to admit but some of their policies really make sense.

He is a racist, but on the whole issue of Britain being for the "indigenous population", many people would agree that policy is whack!

But I has to laugh when he said to one of the panellists "would you dare go to New Zealand and say to a Maori you're not indigenous"? And I thought to myself, that’s a good point. Painful but true!

No body would dare say to a Native American or an Aborigine or a Maori, sorry but your campaign for self determination is just modern day Nazism, would they??????

So you think that batty bumming is a recent invention - it's almost certainly been around as long as humanity, the ancient greeks were all over it and I'm sure it's existed in one form or another since the dawn of humanity. If that's the case, it is normal insofar as it is a part of human behaviour, and therefore should be tolerated whether or not one is so inclined oneself.[/quote][/quote][/quote] Homosexuality has always been there in human society, I dont doubt that, and I have no problems with it as long as its practiced in private. I have no problem with gay clubs as long as its made clear thats what it is at the entrace of such places. In a town I didnt know I went into a pub with my wife, that was full of gay men, so we left without buying a drink, as we felt very uncomfortable. Part of the way I feel has to do with being approached many times by homesexuals as a child and as a teenager. In our local park it was safer to piss in the bushes than visit the toilets, I was grabbed once but managed to break free. I think we tolerate too much these days, normalising what was once unacceptable and not just homosxuality.