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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFFDaFgxbM

Welsh nutta in the green, there was also his mate in the blue.

Rich wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:

Carlos, you will see from the clip that Blues were not involved in a mass brawl, unless they can fight and sing at the same time.

So the 80 or 90 chanting 'zulu' that all rushed forward and proceeded to punch poop out of anything within 5 yards are in no way associated with Birminghams football element of the same name, in the same city?

Shame that, my video never caught it??

that video is only showing the very end of the trouble it had been going for quite a bit before that

carlbcfc wrote:

Rich wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:

Carlos, you will see from the clip that Blues were not involved in a mass brawl, unless they can fight and sing at the same time.

So the 80 or 90 chanting 'zulu' that all rushed forward and proceeded to punch poop out of anything within 5 yards are in no way associated with Birminghams football element of the same name, in the same city?

Shame that, my video never caught it??

Convenient!!

freddydoesdallas wrote:that video is only showing the very end of the trouble it had been going for quite a bit before that

Spot on. 24 seconds at the back end cant give a true picture of what actually went on. And there is actually footage of me on there in the background to the right a lot closer to the 'action' than the cameraman so I feel justified in saying what I've said on this subject and a lot closer to the actual truth. Its bad crack, if they want to fight piss off home and fight all they like but leave the people who were there to enjoy the boxing, alone to do just that.

bah, it ends before he gets KTFO

The block just to the left of him, as we look at him (but not the one where it's being filmed from) - The Welsh lads (clev fans) were in the middle and right behind them at the back of the same block were 3-4 rows of Blues.

That was the case early on, but just before it went off there had been a some disruption in block 8 (to the right of the scrap) and it was a load of other lads getting into the stairwell there. As it all went off almost all of block 6 (the one where the Welsh originally were and had started drifting to 7) stood as one shouting zulu and charged. Fact. I think there were more Blues there than you think and had probably worked their way round from elsewhere, prior to it kicking off.

must admit it wasn't really easy to say what was going on as it kept moving about and not as clear cut as saying yeah rows s-z charged the rows in front. it seemed that some of the Welsh fans had moved on after the macca ko, which is what precipitated it.

In any case, the guy in green got what he asked for.

i saw quite clearly the blob in the green shirt get sparked by a similar repulsive human being in a blue shirt and the ring announcer frantically appealing for 'the guy in the blue shirt to be arrested '. the rest of the mob just moved up in the stands and carried on chanting football songs. The security didnt want to get involved and the police wee outside twiddling their thumbs as usual.

im a proud cardiff city fc season ticket holder and hate football violence more than anything. fcukin 18 yer old chavs going on about zulus and soul crews , grow up its not the 1980s anymore

he actually asked for the guy in the green shirt to be arrested, talk about insult to injury. when he finally woke up from his little nap he had security all over him like a cheap suit

MachoMan09 wrote:Boxing has always attracted a pondlife element and probably always will .

True, it does seem specific to the sport. Shame. :(

Also, lets not forget that the average paying punter at a boxing show is paying more than comparable sporting events- average is , what, about £80 for a ticket at a show like that- some folk will be paying a lot more. Even the cheap seats are probably £50 minimum. Thats a lot of money to waste if your enjoyment of the show is ruined.

JDC wrote:A law came out pretty recently regarding football. If a ground can't get the stewarding right or simply need extra police they get charged the wages of each extra officer needed. If they rolled this out over all sporting events the problem could be addressed. More & better stewarding has been the result at most grounds as this says to the venue; ''If you don't sort it out it's going to cost you alot of money''

Football clubs have always been billed for the police, but maybe not the exact cost "per officer". But that does seem reasonable... although it could be argued that football clubs pay tax like any one else, and so are entitled to free police protection like anyone else...

But of course, the reality is it's covered by the ticket price (how else would they pay for it?)

Cheap seats were where it kicked off, £40 a pop there. Cardiff & Blues do have history, but as the vid shows the majority of Blues were not involved in that. Yes, maybe a few from all sides got involved, but you cannot go pinning it all on Blues can you? Seems to be a fair few willing to just do that. If the whole firm there kicked off, it would of been 100x worse than that. There were a lot of very pissed up Welsh there that night too.

So Rich, are you saying the Blues lads worked around to block 8 and kicked of there?


BTW, that clip was filmed at 21:50

All I'm saying Carl is that the initial 4 rows of lads singing Birmingham songs early in the night had swelled to the vast majority of that block chanting zulu at the point the big ruck went off. There was a smaller disturbance just prior to that higher up which I cant say for certain which factions were involved or were to blame. In the interest of probability I would err on the side of stating that your question has a high percentage of fact to it yes.

I'm done discussing it now, I know what I saw, I know it wasn't a nice place to be and I know its the last big show of its type I go to which is a shame because I love boxing and its a sport my other half doesn't mind attending as well.

The fact that many of the posts describing the scumbags have used football collective nouns to describe them, is indicative.

Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

carlbcfc wrote:Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

Er no they don't.

Some football thugs follow boxing. Plenty of fighters like football. Many football fans who are not thugs like boxing. Plenty of boxing fans couldn't give two hoots about football. All true statements.

Your statement though, was, with the greatest of respect, witlessly simplistic.

Regards

Loynesy

it first kicked off right at the back of that block during the interval before the round enzo got stopped, that was much worse than the vid

oliverfennell wrote:

bennie wrote:It's the way these people go on the attack when a fighter is down which pisses me off. The Mexicans did it when Johnny Owen was down in 1980 and we vilified them and assured everyone that it could never happen here. Then came Eubank-Watson II, and the scenes as James Murray lay dying on the canvas 15 years ago in Glasgow still make me feel sick.

Yes, the Murray situation was despicable. Didn't the crowd violence actually impede Murray's exit from the venue and thus delay his arrival at hospital? How crucial that was will never be known, but what utterly appalling excuses for the species.

In October 1995, James Murray died in an inspired challenge for the British bantamweight title against fellow Scot Drew Docherty.
Southpaw Murray was two minutes away from the Lonsdale Belt when he collapsed from an innocuous left jab in the 12th round, sparking surely the most sickening scenes in the entire history of British boxing as drunken fans clashed and tore apart the banqueting hall at Glasgow's Hospitality Inn while Murray’s life, in front of desperate family members, ebbed away. The level of violence was such that medics were forced to cart the stricken fighter from the hall rather than apply vital oxygen. It was Johnny Owen all over again, only this time it was Johnny Owen at home.
Nobody even tried to defend boxing in the aftermath. Co-promoter F rank Warren said: "I don't believe I could look the Murray family in the eyes and tell them there's nothing wrong with boxing." Alex Morrison said of the rioters: "They were not Jimmy's fans, they were not Docherty’s fans, they were scum."
The Board quickly ordered earlier weigh-ins because weight loss was undoubtedly a factor in Murray’s death, from a massive blood clot on the brain. To give a sense of the fight’s course is almost insulting, but Docherty, who had been down three times, outlasted Murray in the smoky, stifling, overcrowded atmosphere at what was strictly speaking a dinner show, but 'fans' had been allowed to congregate at the back of the hall.
The 25-year-old Murray, the reigning Scottish bantamweight champion, forever the Scottish champion, hailed from Newmains in Lanarkshire, a town blighted by unemployment and drug abuse, but he held down a job and treated his family with gifts from his boxing purses. His father, Kenneth, told Harry Mullan a few days after the tragedy: "Jim Murray did not die with a needle in his arm. He did not die up some back alley. He will always be remembered."

Rich wrote: I think there were more Blues there than you think and had probably worked their way round from elsewhere, prior to it kicking off.

this has the ring of truth.

DavidPayne wrote:BBBofC should focus their efforts on getting some consistency in their scoring before worrying about crowd trouble. I don't think the brawls in the arena are licensed bouts.

Personally I'd rather witness an inconsistently scored fight than get thrown off a balcony.

bennie wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

bennie wrote:It's the way these people go on the attack when a fighter is down which pisses me off. The Mexicans did it when Johnny Owen was down in 1980 and we vilified them and assured everyone that it could never happen here. Then came Eubank-Watson II, and the scenes as James Murray lay dying on the canvas 15 years ago in Glasgow still make me feel sick.

Yes, the Murray situation was despicable. Didn't the crowd violence actually impede Murray's exit from the venue and thus delay his arrival at hospital? How crucial that was will never be known, but what utterly appalling excuses for the species.

In October 1995, James Murray died in an inspired challenge for the British bantamweight title against fellow Scot Drew Docherty.
Southpaw Murray was two minutes away from the Lonsdale Belt when he collapsed from an innocuous left jab in the 12th round, sparking surely the most sickening scenes in the entire history of British boxing as drunken fans clashed and tore apart the banqueting hall at Glasgow's Hospitality Inn while Murray’s life, in front of desperate family members, ebbed away. The level of violence was such that medics were forced to cart the stricken fighter from the hall rather than apply vital oxygen. It was Johnny Owen all over again, only this time it was Johnny Owen at home.
Nobody even tried to defend boxing in the aftermath. Co-promoter F rank Warren said: "I don't believe I could look the Murray family in the eyes and tell them there's nothing wrong with boxing." Alex Morrison said of the rioters: "They were not Jimmy's fans, they were not Docherty’s fans, they were scum."
The Board quickly ordered earlier weigh-ins because weight loss was undoubtedly a factor in Murray’s death, from a massive blood clot on the brain. To give a sense of the fight’s course is almost insulting, but Docherty, who had been down three times, outlasted Murray in the smoky, stifling, overcrowded atmosphere at what was strictly speaking a dinner show, but 'fans' had been allowed to congregate at the back of the hall.
The 25-year-old Murray, the reigning Scottish bantamweight champion, forever the Scottish champion, hailed from Newmains in Lanarkshire, a town blighted by unemployment and drug abuse, but he held down a job and treated his family with gifts from his boxing purses. His father, Kenneth, told Harry Mullan a few days after the tragedy: "Jim Murray did not die with a needle in his arm. He did not die up some back alley. He will always be remembered."

If those bastards have even an ounce of humanity in them, it's a wonder they've been able to sleep since. But somehow I doubt they do.

Crowd trouble also hindered Watson's egress from the ring in his last fight.

There was also crowd trouble at McCreesh/Smyth & McCracken/Till.

That fight in crowd at mag 7 looked and reminded me of this....so homo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsqdjunqkAE

oliverfennell wrote:
Personally I'd rather witness an inconsistently scored fight than get thrown off a balcony.

I'm sure we all agree that a round in which you get thrown off a balcony has to be a 10-8 at least.