Mares/Moreno and undercard RBR.

[marcianofan]

I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with me. I thought it was a close fight. There is a reason they have three judges at ringside.

But when someone repeatedly implies that everyone who disagrees with them is completely ignorant on the sport, I tend to get a bit snippy. Especially when I see it happen over and over and over...

I don't have a problem with someone saying Mares won. I scored each round when I saw it, I don't have every second memorized in my head.

Look, man...I just don't know what you want me to say. When I see a card that makes so little sense to me that it almost seems to have been picked at random, I feel the need to say so. I mean what would this board be like if every time one of us on here saw someone post a score that we thought was crazy, we just shrugged and said "oh well, to each his own..."? What are we here for if not to propose and defend our own opinions? I just happen to believe the fight should be scored 118-110 Mares, and can't really understand how someone could legitimately arrive at a score that isn't between 117-109 and 120-106. It's not like I'm saying it has to be exactly 118-110. Our cards just aren't compatible. From my point of view, you appear to be extremely wrong. Maybe you feel the same about 118-110, maybe you don't. I don't know. But something tells me we'll both manage to go on with our lives when the dust has settled.

[Bobbyptsd]

I had Moreno winning.

Fire away

[Rover]

I gave Moreno 1, 3, 7, 9, 10, 11 (though it came out even with the point deduction), and 12.

Mares was either missing a lot, or not doing anything for the last four rounds, and Moreno was landing a lot of jabs, mixed with some solid combinations.

Round 10? I didn't even think that one was remotely close.

I thought it was close, but I gave it to Mares.

[Rover]

Yeah, sorry. I'm clearly not the all-knowing boxing God like you...

[Rover]

Yeah, and so have you, hundreds of times...

[Rover]

I had it 118-108 Mares, even though I'm kind of rooting against him hoping he gets his just desserts for the first Agbeko fight (which I thought he lost close even before all the Russell Mora crap comes into play). I agree with Brian Kenny's assessment for the most part in this instance, although I disagree on one of the specific rounds he gave Moreno. I think the ringside crew were too busy talking about the fight to keep good track of the winners of the rounds- something that's extremely common in boxing broadcasters. I think they noticed every time Moreno had a decent moment and gave Mares less credit than he deserved for dominating the rest of the round.

I gave Moreno round 8 and would have given him 11 if not for the BS deduction, though I thought in both cases they were toss-ups. Other than that, I thought 12 was close enough to give him. But that's it. I can't truly fathom a score closer than 117-109. I mean there were some pretty close rounds mixed in....1, 3, 7, and 9 all fit that description for me, but I don't think Mares was outdone in clean effective punches in any of them, and his effective aggressiveness was off the charts. For that reason, I don't think they are really particularly arguable. I think James Jen Kin just really likes aggression, and I have no problem with his shutout scorecard. I actually have more problem with the two 116-110 cards, since I think they definitely missed at least one round, while I can't say the same for Jen Kin.

For those of you that had it close or (if there are any such people out there) had it for Moreno- I just don't get it. You would almost have to not count body punching and not count effective aggressiveness at all to even come close to an even score, I would think.

For a while I thought I was going crazy. I'm glad there is someone else, at least on here, that sees it the way I did. I was rooting for Moreno, but Mares' dictation of the fight, punches landed, and as many times as he staggered Moreno won him the fight clearly from what I saw.

I didn't see much staggering, though I saw a very suspect KD call.

[Rover]

I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with me. I thought it was a close fight. There is a reason they have three judges at ringside.

But when someone repeatedly implies that everyone who disagrees with them is completely ignorant on the sport, I tend to get a bit snippy. Especially when I see it happen over and over and over...

I don't have a problem with someone saying Mares won. I scored each round when I saw it, I don't have every second memorized in my head.

[Rover]

I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with me. I thought it was a close fight. There is a reason they have three judges at ringside.

But when someone repeatedly implies that everyone who disagrees with them is completely ignorant on the sport, I tend to get a bit snippy. Especially when I see it happen over and over and over...

I don't have a problem with someone saying Mares won. I scored each round when I saw it, I don't have every second memorized in my head.

Look, man...I just don't know what you want me to say. When I see a card that makes so little sense to me that it almost seems to have been picked at random, I feel the need to say so. I mean what would this board be like if every time one of us on here saw someone post a score that we thought was crazy, we just shrugged and said "oh well, to each his own..."? What are we here for if not to propose and defend our own opinions? I just happen to believe the fight should be scored 118-110 Mares, and can't really understand how someone could legitimately arrive at a score that isn't between 117-109 and 120-106. It's not like I'm saying it has to be exactly 118-110. Our cards just aren't compatible. From my point of view, you appear to be extremely wrong. Maybe you feel the same about 118-110, maybe you don't. I don't know. But something tells me we'll both manage to go on with our lives when the dust has settled.

I haven't heard anyone else defend Jen-Kin's scoring or be critical of 116-110 (as being too narrow), even SouthpawStephen and Kenny (the only other two I know of who had it more than 116-110 for Mares).

[Rover]

I don't want you to say anything, people disagree. It just doesn't have to always mean they have less of a grasp of the sport than you.

The only scorecard that really bothered me was the one that had Mares winning every round, but that guy is in a much better position to watch and hear everything than I am, so I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm better than him or that he clearly knows nothing.

(as to the first part)
As to the second part, I have no problem criticizing a scorecard of a judge; one can score a fight on T.V.
Not saying I'm above everyone else or anything, but millions watch on T.V. compared to thousands at ringside, and those millions can form educated opinions about how a fight should be scored.

[Rover]

I had Moreno winning.

Fire away

Far more defensible than a shutout.

[Rover]

Glad we agree about the staggering (or not).:)