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diddy wrote:

ruin795 wrote:

diddy wrote:Bunch of crap.

Quillin won that fight.

You. are. an. idiot.

Close fight - I had it a draw.

I am an idiot because you scored it a draw? K cool, thats awesome, here's 2 cookies. Eat them both and go f*ck yourself in the morning.

No you just post nonsense all the time. It was a close fight. Nothing to get mad over.

But who wants Quillin to win?? He will never fight Golovkin and Lee might

Quillin has a better chance vs GGG than Lee. Instead of a 1% chance he's got a 5% chance of winning. Lee would/will get his head knocked off by GGG. Quick. His chin isnt nearly good enough. Quillin takes a punch better than Lee. And has more overall skills. He fought like a scared woman tonight. Fought not to lose instead of to win. When he engaged and let his hands go he was the boss in there. Posing is what cost him the decision. That and the one judge not ruling round 3 a 10-8 round.

ruin795 wrote:But who wants Quillin to win?? He will never fight Golovkin and Lee might

Even judges from his home city didn't want him to win. Ducking GGG, dropping the belt, not making weight, ... Who will support you after that.

diddy wrote:Quillin has a better chance vs GGG than Lee. Instead of a 1% chance he's got a 5% chance of winning. Lee would/will get his head knocked off by GGG. Quick. His chin isnt nearly good enough. Quillin takes a punch better than Lee. And has more overall skills. He fought like a scared woman tonight. Fought not to lose instead of to win. When he engaged and let his hands go he was the boss in there. Posing is what cost him the decision. That and the one judge not ruling round 3 a 10-8 round.

Round 3 should have been 10 - 9 on ALL judges scorecards since it was not a legit knockdown in the first place. Also Quillin has a ZERO percent chance against Glolovkin cuz he will never get in the ring with him

ikorolev wrote:

ruin795 wrote:But who wants Quillin to win?? He will never fight Golovkin and Lee might

Even judges from his home city didn't want him to win. Ducking GGG, dropping the belt, not making weight, ... Who will support you after that.

This. Exactly.

diddy wrote:Quillin has a better chance vs GGG than Lee. Instead of a 1% chance he's got a 5% chance of winning. Lee would/will get his head knocked off by GGG. Quick. His chin isnt nearly good enough. Quillin takes a punch better than Lee. And has more overall skills. He fought like a scared woman tonight. Fought not to lose instead of to win. When he engaged and let his hands go he was the boss in there. Posing is what cost him the decision. That and the one judge not ruling round 3 a 10-8 round.

Quillin fought like a scared woman today and against Rosado. Every time he has a decent puncher with a decent chin in front of him, he gets tentative. He had 0.1% chance against GGG.

I had Quillin by 1 point but a draw is fine. Not a robbery. Quillin also benefited from the footstep knockdown in the 3rd, a round I thought he was losing.

dempseyfire wrote:Good fight. No problem with the scores. Those who thought it a clear Quillin win have an issue scoring boxing matches . .Quillin lost practically every round in the latter half of the fight save one. Both fighters were way too inactive, but Lee at least found a rhythm with his height, reach and (shocker) movement as the fight wore on and landed occasional jabs and pot shots. Both fighters practically forgot the jab and simply tried to set up power shots.

Golovkin clearly a level above these two. Heck, Cotto likely is as well.

Nah, Cotto gets killed by both of them.

I could buy the draw, though if pushed to pick a winner I would have chosen Quillin.

Very intriguing fight. I thought Andy Lee edged it with better boxing second half of the fight.

Couldn't argue with a close decision either way and can't argue with a draw.

Ian1973 wrote:Very intriguing fight. I thought Andy Lee edged it with better boxing second half of the fight.

Couldn't argue with a close decision either way and can't argue with a draw.

The ONLY reason the fight was even close, and even the most biased observers would admit, is because too many rounds Quillin just didnt throw. He posed. He lost at least 3, probably 4 rounds, because he refused to engage. I honestly have no idea why. He was having tremendous success when he was letting his hands go. In every round in which he was "busy", he controlled the exchanges and won the rounds. I dont get it. His trainer sucks balls. Ridiculous tactics.

diddy wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Very intriguing fight. I thought Andy Lee edged it with better boxing second half of the fight.

Couldn't argue with a close decision either way and can't argue with a draw.

The ONLY reason the fight was even close, and even the most biased observers would admit, is because too many rounds Quillin just didnt throw. He posed. He lost at least 3, probably 4 rounds, because he refused to engage. I honestly have no idea why. He was having tremendous success when he was letting his hands go. In every round in which he was "busy", he controlled the exchanges and won the rounds. I dont get it. His trainer sucks balls. Ridiculous tactics.

I wouldn't say he posed but I do accept that his work rate was low. I wonder how much stamina Qullin has, he seems to me to be constantly mindful of the need to work within himself.

It's his trainers fault. No one is saying Quillin needs to turn into a Paul Williams human windmill but just upping the punch output ever so slightly in more rounds would make all the difference for him. By posing you are giving judges REASONS not to give you rounds. Just simply the appearance of being busier, even if it's not some rousing success and you can swing a round or 2 your way. He'll NEVER ever beat GGG but there's no excuse for a guy of his skill set to ever lose to Andy Lee. No excuse at all.

ikorolev wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Good fight. No problem with the scores. Those who thought it a clear Quillin win have an issue scoring boxing matches . .Quillin lost practically every round in the latter half of the fight save one. Both fighters were way too inactive, but Lee at least found a rhythm with his height, reach and (shocker) movement as the fight wore on and landed occasional jabs and pot shots. Both fighters practically forgot the jab and simply tried to set up power shots.

Golovkin clearly a level above these two. Heck, Cotto likely is as well.

Nah, Cotto gets killed by both of them.

Yup Cotto beats Quillin and Lee and it probably wouldn't be that tough.

I think Cotto would hurt Lee early on. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Quillin. Styles make fights. I can see Cotto getting inside on Lee and busting him up. I think he'd find it tougher to get inside on a guy like Quillin who is a good athlete. I think Quillin could hurt Cotto bad with lead right hands when Cotto rushes in, which would really slow down his attacks.

Anybody still think Quillin is ahead of the non GGG pack? Always had Geale beating him, no doubt about it.

verballistic wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:Very intriguing fight. I thought Andy Lee edged it with better boxing second half of the fight.

Couldn't argue with a close decision either way and can't argue with a draw.

Rematch anyone?

Yep, why not?

Blodhemn wrote:Anybody still think Quillin is ahead of the non GGG pack? Always had Geale beating him, no doubt about it.

The way Quillin looked against Lee you can say any top 30 mw should beat him but he is a lot more capable than that.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Anybody still think Quillin is ahead of the non GGG pack? Always had Geale beating him, no doubt about it.

The way Quillin looked against Lee you can say any top 30 mw should beat him but he is a lot more capable than that.

Lee is deceptive though. The last three fights he was losing and turned it round. He has the ability to find a way. He was too slow and too cagey early on against Quillin, once he started moving and upping his punching output he started to have success and started to control the fight boxing wise, though he did struggle to take Quillin's punches whenever he landed clean.

He's maybe a bit better than he was given credit for (Lee) but he does have limitations and he doesn't have the ability to trouble any of the elite. It may be a bit unfair to criticise Quillin too harshly, though I do accept he had the tools to and should've won the Lee fight. As it was I thought he was lucky to get a draw in the end.

Are there such things as 9-9 rounds in the USA? There aren't in the UK. If a round is drawn its a 10-10. Hence the ten point must system.

The Insider wrote:Are there such things as 9-9 rounds in the USA? There aren't in the UK. If a round is drawn its a 10-10. Hence the ten point must system.

I score rounds 9-9 if that helps.

The third round (from memory) when Quillin scored that dodgy, stepped on foot knockdown I scored 9-9 as Lee dominated the round with the exception of that one incident.

Thought quillin edged it by a point or so but he has no one to blame but himself. He took his foot off the gas and paid the price. Still, thought he did enough to get a close

Quillin did very well to recover from that knockdown in the 7th round. That was a trademark right hook from Lee there, perfectly landed.

I disagree on Quillin-Lee big time:

Neither was a whirlwind in there, but I thought Peter pretty much dominated the fight. Lee was given rounds for courage and perhaps the judges punished Quillin for not making weight. Not making weight is a sore spot among boxing officials. But for the life of me, I thought Lee only took maybe 2-4 rounds. What did Lee do other than show courage and score a shock KD that made this fight so close? Peter was clearly robbed. Many times, I don't agree with punchstats, but they seemed to show Peter's dominating the fight in what little action there was. I also think the judges, from Italy, Connecticut, and not sure, but I think New York bent over backwards to avoid hometown advantage for Quillin. Who would want to protect Andy Lee? It's not like he was fighting in Ireland. Terrible call.

Jack