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Pureist wrote:The 1st fight and it was a very obvious win to Castillo, even kbb admitted Floyd lost, good on him for that by the way

I had it a draw.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

Pureist wrote:The 1st fight and it was a very obvious win to Castillo, even kbb admitted Floyd lost, good on him for that by the way

I had it a draw.

Nowhere near a draw, Castillo threw more/landed more and was flat out robbed. Floyd should be 47-1. I'm a huge Mayweather fan but he lost that fight.

You are irrational, if you weren't youd gladly look over each round count I've done and take them at face value, either proving me wrong or accepting what I've stated, do you think Floyd won R7, he landed 12 jabs, 9 of which were so poor they hardly even touched pacquaio, 3 were average to good, he threw a massive right when his back was to the ropes, looked great, completely missed though, I've left nothing out, I'm not biased

Pureist wrote:You are irrational, if you weren't youd gladly look over each round count I've done and take them at face value, either proving me wrong or accepting what I've stated, do you think Floyd won R7, he landed 12 jabs, 9 of which were so poor they hardly even touched pacquaio, 3 were average to good, he threw a massive right when his back was to the ropes, looked great, completely missed though, I've left nothing out, I'm not biased

Blah, blah, blah, fights over and Manny LOST. This case has been officially closed. Let's discuss other things that matter at the moment and not your fairytale accounting of this fight.

Thanks

I'll take that as you know I'm right, 6 rounds to do still, no fairytale, video doesn't lie

Pureist wrote:I'll take that as you know I'm right, 6 rounds to do still, no fairytale, video doesn't lie

Take it however you want if it makes you happy and feel justified because honestly what will it change?? Nothing! The Official Results are what they are and you cannot change that no matter how much you cry about it on this forum.

It's time to move on to something else, you've cried enough and Floyd is still the Winner and Manny is still the SORE LOSER.

Pureist wrote:I'll take that as you know I'm right, 6 rounds to do still, no fairytale, video doesn't lie

Judges don't get Video - so it's not really relevant.

Winning on the night is about doing enough to get the scores - ON THE NIGHT.

Totally agree james, judges don't get video on the night but how else can you scrutinize judges better than make sure their scorecards are accurate, most sports in the world, scoring with accuracy isn't an issue, shooting baskets, kicking goals etc, most sports scrutinize their own refs who are the officials for the scoring aswell, punters bet on boxing so it should be deemed to be critical that judges be accurate but way too often they are miles off, if all title fights were scrutinized in this way and judges rated on their performance maybe boxing wouldn't be seen as the most corrupt sport in the world

Pureist wrote:Why even open the thread then, don't look at it

i think you are doing a solid job here. thnx.

Pureist wrote:

kimf wrote:Very interesting.
Please don't take anything personal. This is one subject we don't agree on but I'm sure there are 100's we do. Sometimes when scoring fights we need to take emotions out of it. The reason there are so many controversies in boxing is because the criterias for scoring fights are opinion based.
I believe the dela Hoya vs Mayweather fight was a lot closer than this fight which Mayweather won.
Again I don't like Mayweather or the tactics he uses to win fights but unless they change the rules he has every right to win like he does and he used those tactics to easily win this fight.

i dont get emotional about boxing, im a trainer, i dont actually mind floyd, i get sick of these idiots blowing smoke up his ares so i just like pointing things out to them, i scored the fight a draw, 1 round either way, no worries, but those scorecards were ridiculous, i watched the fight with my father, ex pug, best mate ex aussie title holder, they both scored it the same, very close, could go either way, floyds hands are exceptionally quick making most people think punches land when they actually dont, watching on tv can also look very different to seeing a bout live, snr obviously thought the fight was close saying to floyd "your giving this fight away" those who believe those scorecards to be true are either not very knowledgable or are lieing to themselves, notice not many of the normal floyd groupies are commenting on the video, its hard to argue when the video is broken down

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=512275

You are full of it.

^^^^^^^^^--- read #16 of that thread stupid, kbb I have to apologise to you for catagorising you with da moron above, calling Floyd a runner doesn't equate to me not seeing appeal in his style, I also called him boring does that mean I'm gonna put a price on his head stupid, fair dinkum your dumb

Pureist wrote:^^^^^^^^^--- read #16 of that thread stupid, kbb I have to apologise to you for catagorising you with da moron above, calling Floyd a runner doesn't equate to me not seeing appeal in his style, I also called him boring does that mean I'm gonna put a price on his head stupid, fair dinkum your dumb

Floyd clearly won you don't like it hell I don't like it but it is what it is. You can scrutinize each round with your biased thinking watch the fight in slomo,medium mo,real time whatever same result. Stop crying,Manny lost 100% of people ringside scored it that way 80% of boxing trainers etc.thought he won it life goes on.

Nobody is trying to change history, just to highlight how inaccurate compubox was for this fight, and help justify those who had the fight close. It was no robbery, the 116-112 scorecards are entirely reasonable, though I had it closer. 118-110 is extremely generous to Floyd and IMO is about as far out as a 115-113 to Pacquiao scorecard, though there were so many swing rounds, I wouldn't accuse someone of being corrupt for turning in either scorecard.

When all is said and done, the right guy got the decision.

DA GOOSE wrote:

Pureist wrote:^^^^^^^^^--- read #16 of that thread stupid, kbb I have to apologise to you for catagorising you with da moron above, calling Floyd a runner doesn't equate to me not seeing appeal in his style, I also called him boring does that mean I'm gonna put a price on his head stupid, fair dinkum your dumb

Floyd clearly won you don't like it hell I don't like it but it is what it is. You can scrutinize each round with your biased thinking watch the fight in slomo,medium mo,real time whatever same result. Stop crying,Manny lost 100% of people ringside scored it that way 80% of boxing trainers etc.thought he won it life goes on. [/quote
I personally love watching floyd for his skills, I'm a trainer and love to pick apart skill sets, from a trainers point of view, you don't want your charge getting battered, from a fans view, that's all they want to see, I watch floyd for this reason but I definitely don't find him an exciting fighter, talented, skilled yes, Taylor v Chavez was a *******, perfect fight in my eyes------- so that's a post of mine from July last year in the thread you linked everyone to, and how am I biased, you must feel really stupid saying I'm full of it

fergusg wrote:The history books will tell us that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the greatest boxer of the current era, not just because of his accomplishments, but because he dominated his closest rival with ease.

Floyd defeated Manny by a comfortable margin, the overwhelming majority of the public and the media believe this to be the case... and our perception of the action that actually took place inside the ring is compounded by the official CompuBox punch stats.

Most people believe that Mayweather Jr. would have not only defeated Pacquiao in a similar manner five ago, but he would also dominate the Filipino legend with greater ease if they do decide to have a rematch.

Everything I've just explained is an irrefutable reflection of reality and there is nothing else to say on the matter that has not already been said... and raw repetition alone cannot displace the unquestionable truth that I have articulated... nor will it persuade people to change their minds as to who they believe won the fight.

End of thread!

Well if that is the true score that will come to light when I've finished doing all the rounds, if you think I'm biased Ferg then I will say the same to you as I did to kbb, find fault with my punch count and make me look silly, if I'm biased as everyone believes that should be easy to do, if you can't find fault then it's time to accept what the results of scrutiny show, it's funny how the only people saying I'm wasting my time are the ones who have stood true behind the official scorecards

Here is what Marquez said about scoring in Las Vegas:

http://www.BS.com/marquez-reac ... ors--91482?

Brut will be so mad.

Pureist wrote:I personally love watching floyd for his skills, I'm a trainer and love to pick apart skill sets, from a trainers point of view, you don't want your charge getting battered, from a fans view, that's all they want to see, I watch floyd for this reason but I definitely don't find him an exciting fighter, talented, skilled yes, Taylor v Chavez was a *******, perfect fight in my eyes------- so that's a post of mine from July last year in the thread you linked everyone to, and how am I biased, you must feel really stupid saying I'm full of it

You claim to be a Trainer but you don't like Floyd's style which is highly successful; if you had a fighter (not sure if you do) with half the skills of Mayweather you'd be more than happy. For someone who claims to be a Trainer but puts down the best fighter of this era doesn't really make me believe that you are a Trainer.

I've heard nothing but great things from all the REAL PROFESSIONAL Trainers out there about Floyd and his style, but from a so called/self-proclaimed "Trainer" we read nothing but pure hate and disappointment and I'm certain its' all to do with your love for Manny Pacquiao, especially since he lost.
Taylor was a total dumb ass for not securing the win, it was not a great fight for him taking punishment like that when he didn't have to, if he was smart he would've avoided Chavez who he was beating with ease and secured the win.

I wouldn't have ever advised my fighter to stand in front of Chavez and trade at that moment, what kind of Trainer would think that is a "perfect" fight??

Ok I'm taking back the apology, you are as stupid as da moron, look at the opening line of the post, can you read, that was 11 months ago on a different forum and still I have stated the same thing, I don't mind floyd, he is a runner, you still don't understand what I'm stating in this thread, I DONT MIND FLOYD GOT THE DECISION, ITS THE SCORECARDS THAT ARE RIDICLOUS

I really thought I had no life until I see people that take weeks reviewing a fight in slow motion.
Thank you all who have done this tedious task and made me feel so much better about my life

tiny_acres wrote:I really thought I had no life until I see people that take weeks reviewing a fight in slow motion.
Thank you all who have done this tedious task and made me feel so much better about my life

ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was very well written ferg, you seem to be a fiction specialist, you seem to try and act like an educated man, problem is educated men do their homework and base their opinion on fact and not presumption as you seem to,you say I'm biased but present no evidence, you post my punch count, but not all of it, you say the majority of people agree with the decision, just remember the world was considered flat once by majority and they were wrong, investigation is the only way to find out the truth, so please instead of innuendo Man up and prove me wrong, IF YOU CAN

By the way, the more you argue it seems the more This topic is viewed, that probably means people are sitting on the fence somewhat

Pureist wrote:That was very well written ferg, you seem to be a fiction specialist, you seem to try and act like an educated man, problem is educated men do their homework and base their opinion on fact and not presumption as you seem to,you say I'm biased but present no evidence, you post my punch count, but not all of it, you say the majority of people agree with the decision, just remember the world was considered flat once by majority and they were wrong, investigation is the only way to find out the truth, so please instead of innuendo Man up and prove me wrong, IF YOU CAN

It's interesting that noone seems to be contesting your punch numbers or even contesting a punch landed/missed. Instead you just attract Floyd groupie trolls like Fergus hitting out with shite like "We all know you hate Mayweather".


Keep with the count, video is there for all to see .

Ricky_ wrote:

Pureist wrote:That was very well written ferg, you seem to be a fiction specialist, you seem to try and act like an educated man, problem is educated men do their homework and base their opinion on fact and not presumption as you seem to,you say I'm biased but present no evidence, you post my punch count, but not all of it, you say the majority of people agree with the decision, just remember the world was considered flat once by majority and they were wrong, investigation is the only way to find out the truth, so please instead of innuendo Man up and prove me wrong, IF YOU CAN

It's interesting that noone seems to be contesting your punch numbers or even contesting a punch landed/missed. Instead you just attract Floyd groupie trolls like Fergus hitting out with shite like "We all know you hate Mayweather".


Keep with the count, video is there for all to see .

If you look back a few thousand posts you will see where I actually went and reviewed a few rounds in half speed after seeing the nonsense Purist and others posted about "different numbers".

I found Compubox accurate for this fight.

And, unlike the new phantom numbers being bandied about by butthurt PacTards, the vast majority of eyewitnesses to the fight agree with Compubox...round for round.

No mystical reexamination of the fight via chicken blood and Manny's momma hexes can explain that one unalterable fact.

The Compubox and millions of eyewitness tell the same story.

When Purist and others figure THAT out, they will be better off.