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Lemieux said that he wants Golovkin NEXT. This is a rare occasion, as all interesting potential opponents "want" GGG "but not next", so hopefully if Lemieux beats N'Dam, we will see Golovkin vs Lemieux.

ikorolev wrote:Lemieux said that he wants Golovkin NEXT. This is a rare occasion, as all interesting potential opponents "want" GGG "but not next", so hopefully if Lemieux beats N'Dam, we will see Golovkin vs Lemieux.

I hope that's the case!

I think it would be advisable for GGG to tighten his defense for that one.

Why would any true Froch fan be rooting for this fight? I'm American but one that has appreciated Froch's career and battles in the ring. He's clearly at the end of the road physically and mentally. They old adage "the moment you start talking about retirement, you're already retired" comes into mind with Froch's up and down news since the last Groves fight. Now instead of retiring, he's going to take on this animal? Froch might be trying to grab a huge payday with this swan song fight but i don't think there's ANY way he logically wins a fight with GGG under any possible style. He's all wrong for Froch and i hope it doesn't happen. Froch has had too great a career to go out reaching for his mouthpiece a la Tyson-Douglas.

If Froch were fighting people like Geale and Macklin I think he'd be blowing them out fairly quickly too. I think GGG is a very good fighter, but he hasn't proven that his power will carry up, his opposition is nowhere near Froch's level, and he'd be significantly undersized.

GGG also relies on being able to back opponents up and overpower them, but I think that would be much harder against someone like Froch, who is quite strong even for 168 and not one to let himself be bullied. Moreover, GGG has shown some defensive weaknesses and seems to be less effective than usual when opponents stand their ground and exchange with him rather than backing away, and I think Froch has the physical ability and mentality to hold his ground, trade effectively, and even push GGG back, a situation in which the latter is typically ineffective. Let's also not forget that while GGG is a very good puncher Murray nearly lasted the distance, Stevens lasted 8, and Rosado lasted 7 without going down, so I'm not convinced that a highly durable SMW like Froch would be run over even if he were hit plenty.

Froch does seem to be nearing the end of his career, and I thought he showed signs of slipping in the fights with Groves, so it may well be the right time for a very good MW like GGG to move up and take him out. However, that is far from a foregone conclusion and I think Froch would have a good chance of winning.

All that said, I've always doubted that this fight would happen and for all the talk of weight flexibility I think the plan for GGG is to stick to MW, which I think his body is best suited for, and dominate there while hopefully landing a big fight with Canelo or Cotto.

On the plus side,every top fighter wants to headline a big PPV event. Not just for money but status. Golovkin definitely qualifies, for froch. And froch is a competitor, fierce and proud. This fight does tick many boxes. Froch wants to be part of a PPV fight. If he's fighting again, that is.

It's possible we haven't heard the last of this dream fight. I mean, would HBO not love to have cotto-Alvarez AND froch-golovkin aggressive and exciting PPV matchups? Boxing is under the "maypac" spotlight and now's the chance to showcase positive and exciting matchup.

HBO have invested in golovkin, gain positive ratings, regularly. Let's see if they reach out to make this fight happen, and what effect this has.

One thing, not liking the inactivity of froch.

I LOVE to see this fight. GGG is a beast and froch is slick as a Cobra. I'd but a case of stroh's and not move while this one played out

anyone who thinks froch has no chance of winning this fight are either riding gGG HARD OR DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING. froch is as proud as thry come, he's not going to lay down for GGg and has a legit chance to expose him.. I honestly question GGGS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE UP AND TAKE THAT FIGHT MORE THAN I QUESTION FROCH WANTING THAT FIGHT. you have froch who's a certified badass and fought the best of the best, then you GGG who hasn't, at all... you do the math.

Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

Ricky_ wrote:Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

You've just tried to pick apart Froch's recent record (which is a very impressive one). How about picking apart Golovkin's? It's a lot weaker.

danamba7 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

You've just tried to pick apart Froch's recent record (which is a very impressive one). How about picking apart Golovkin's? It's a lot weaker.

How do you pick it apart when he's blitzed every opponent? It would be different if say Murray floored him and there was weakness there.

Ricky_ wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

You've just tried to pick apart Froch's recent record (which is a very impressive one). How about picking apart Golovkin's? It's a lot weaker.

How do you pick it apart when he's blitzed every opponent? It would be different if say Murray floored him and there was weakness there.

Froch would have blitzed them all too.

If Groves can knock down Froch imagine what GGG would do...

danamba7 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

You've just tried to pick apart Froch's recent record (which is a very impressive one). How about picking apart Golovkin's? It's a lot weaker.

Froch's record after Bute is average, Mack was shite, Kessler was well past it and Groves was yet to venture past domestic level before he fought him.

expe wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Froch is percieved to be alot better than he actually is. Recently he chinned Bute who was a glass jaw waiting to happen, beat Yousaf Mack, warred it out with old man Kessler and went life and death with George Groves. He's been found wanting against the likes of Taylor & Dirrel and was schooled start to finish against Ward.

Golovkin makes easy work of and old, slow, semi-retired Froch. Only his warrior heart and grit make it interesting and give him a chance of making a fight of it, but i got him a big underdog, about 15%.

You've just tried to pick apart Froch's recent record (which is a very impressive one). How about picking apart Golovkin's? It's a lot weaker.

Froch's record after Bute is average, Mack was shite, Kessler was well past it and Groves was yet to venture past domestic level before he fought him.

Even a faded Kessler is probably better than anything GGG has fought so far. Groves is probably on par with Murray. Murray more proven and tougher but Groves quicker and more powerful.

NateJR wrote: I honestly question GGGS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE UP AND TAKE THAT FIGHT MORE THAN I QUESTION FROCH WANTING THAT FIGHT.

Oh really ?

Is that the same Froch who waited 6 months for Chavez Jr to fight him ?

How does one go from Chavez Jr to Golovkin ?

Are you seriously insinuating that. Froch was afraid to fight Chavez Jr.?

NateJR wrote:anyone who thinks froch has no chance of winning this fight are either riding gGG HARD OR DONT KNOW poo ABOUT BOXING. froch is as proud as thry come, he's not going to lay down for GGg and has a legit chance to expose him.. I honestly question GGGS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE UP AND TAKE THAT FIGHT MORE THAN I QUESTION FROCH WANTING THAT FIGHT. you have froch who's a certified badass and fought the best of the best, then you GGG who hasn't, at all... you do the math.

Based on what ? GGG Team saying that they want that fight and Froch with Hearn hiding ?

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Clowns on here ride GGG HARD.. lmao

ikorolev wrote:

NateJR wrote:anyone who thinks froch has no chance of winning this fight are either riding gGG HARD OR DONT KNOW poo ABOUT BOXING. froch is as proud as thry come, he's not going to lay down for GGg and has a legit chance to expose him.. I honestly question GGGS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE UP AND TAKE THAT FIGHT MORE THAN I QUESTION FROCH WANTING THAT FIGHT. you have froch who's a certified badass and fought the best of the best, then you GGG who hasn't, at all... you do the math.

Based on what ? GGG Team saying that they want that fight and Froch with Hearn hiding ?

Just because they say that, doesn't make it true.

During pre-fight negotiations, promoters, managers and fighters from both sides, talk an inordinant amount of horseshite. Just because you like GGG, don't let it cloud your judgement.

I won't be surprised if the fight happens, I think they are just in negotiations trying to wangle the best deals for each side.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

NateJR wrote:anyone who thinks froch has no chance of winning this fight are either riding gGG HARD OR DONT KNOW poo ABOUT BOXING. froch is as proud as thry come, he's not going to lay down for GGg and has a legit chance to expose him.. I honestly question GGGS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE UP AND TAKE THAT FIGHT MORE THAN I QUESTION FROCH WANTING THAT FIGHT. you have froch who's a certified badass and fought the best of the best, then you GGG who hasn't, at all... you do the math.

Based on what ? GGG Team saying that they want that fight and Froch with Hearn hiding ?

Just because they say that, doesn't make it true.

During pre-fight negotiations, promoters, managers and fighters from both sides, talk an inordinant amount of horseshite. Just because you like GGG, don't let it cloud your judgement.

I won't be surprised if the fight happens, I think they are just in negotiations trying to wangle the best deals for each side.

One side avoids negotiations. What is unclear here ?

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One side avoids negotiations. What is unclear here ?[/quote]

According to Whom? - You have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, nor do I. Do you believe everything team GGG or Team Froch say, - I certainly don't.

It also tells me that if Froch and co are avoiding negotiations, it may be to appear uninterested, in order to get a better deal.

It's all speculation at this point.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:One side avoids negotiations. What is unclear here ?

According to Whom? - You have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, nor do I. Do you believe everything team GGG or Team Froch say, - I certainly don't.

It also tells me that if Froch and co are avoiding negotiations, it may be to appear uninterested, in order to get a better deal.

It's all speculation at this point.

According to multiple articles citing Hearn saying that he isn't sure if Froch will fight again or saying that he will likely not and according to no articles/tweets/etc. citing Froch saying that he would want that fight.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:GGG Team saying that they want that fight and Froch with Hearn hiding?

One side avoids negotiations. What is unclear here ?

Why do you make stuff up?

Two days ago, Eddie Hearn provided the following update on the Froch-Golovkin situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql3Hn6KwWPw

"I saw Tom Loeffler's stuff about 'They've gone quiet on me', but I only haven't replied to one email. We know the deal with Golovkin, so there's nothing to talk about.

If Carl Froch fights again, I am 99.9% sure, it'll be against Gennady Golovkin, but I don't think he'll fight again"

Tom Loeffler does make things up and he's been attacked multiple times by people like Hearn & Ward, because of his tendency to occasionally lie or embellish situations to unreasonable proportions.

I know you’re a Golovkin fan, but does that mean that you're automatically compelled to support devious characters like Loeffler & Sanchez, whilst blatantly ignoring the "other side" of the proverbial fence? If so, then you're a füçkïng moron!

What the f4ck is wrong with you ? Hearn ONLY haven't replied to one email and he says that he doesn't think that Carl will fight again ? Is that what promoters interested in arranging a fight do ?

You are saying that you are Golovkin's fan, but you are always taking anti-Golovkin side in all conversations. F4cking liar.

So, when Loefler SAYS that Hearn doesn't reply, you dismiss that, but when Hearn SAYS that he only didn't reply to one email, you consider it to be truth and you call yourself objective ???

This is just one example of you manipulating facts, f4cking hypocrite.