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Pity Kenny Anderson wasn't still about. Him and Buglioni would've been fun.

The Insider wrote:Frank was game as Phuk but was so so easy to hit. Fedor couldn't miss with jab and genuinely could have won the fight with one hand. I seriously wandered if Buglioni has a problem with his sight as he just didn't seem to see the jab coming at all. Frank did very well to see it out so praise where it's due there.

I love this as a summation of buglioni

'his defence is so sh!t, he must be blind in one eye, at least'

Massive effort from Frank, i and many others thought he'd be stopped easily in this, but he really gritted it out.

Technically he does have obvious flaws i think; his weight is too far over the front foot and his shoulders/hips are too square so he can't dip from the waist or turn his lead shoulder to bring his head off the centre line, which is why he eats so many jabs and straight right hands.

His footwork is decent but he was on his bike from round 1 last night, the fact he stands tall meant Chudinov could easily just follow him and let his punches go as Frank was moving backwards and could bank on either landing, or Frank hitting the ropes where he could then let those body shots go, which were really hurting him from early on imo - again Buglioni showed massive courage to not wilt to those shots.

Buglioni had most success when he was knackered and couldn't use his feet as much, forcing him to stay inside and use his bodyweight to push Chudinov back - this is when he actually landed most off his shots and scored some great little combinations with hooks around and uppercuts through the Russians high static guard.

Again though the problem is that Frank isn't comfortable enough and doesn't have subtlety at close or mid range - his head was bang central at all times, forehead touching with Chudinov which let the Russian know the target was there and wasn't moving, and he can't ride shots using movement from his waist/slipping/catching shots - so can't counter inside, just throw a combination and wait until he gets hammered back.

Chudinov is solid but nothing special if we're honest, a fighter who is capable on the inside and met him centre ring would have success, keep him turning by pivoting, stepping around and changing the angle, he's there to be hit as he's a fairly static target - then back on the outside, score long shots, pick up points, then back to centre ring, so he can't walk you down all the time and feel like he's imposing himself, with strong guys that's a huge psychological blow for them.

All easy to say when you're watching from tv at home though eh, regardless of any of his technical limitations Buglioni is an absolute warrior that we should be proud of imo, waving an opponent on when he knew he was outgunned and couldn't win, throwing shots back with nothing left, you could see how much it meant to him.

He got into an absolute dog fight and didn't back down or go into his shell, puts some of our other recent British world title challengers to shame...

forcefraser wrote:Shocking that he got a "title" shot in the first place.

Has he actually beaten a decent fighter in his pro career?. Tough and brave lad, but a long way off world title level. Chudinov is a basic fighter, solid and accurate but nothing special and he looked a million dollars against Buglioni, winning every round in my book.

What do they do with him now? Keep him on the Domestic/European scene?

He's only operated at phony domestic / European level anyway, thanks to the bogus titles that allows his promoter to hand pick inferior opposition. If he went for the British title suddenly he has to face better opponents who'd come to win. He gave an incredibly brave performance last night and I hope he can prosper. To me, he is actually worse under his new trainer. He is so easy to hit and if it was groves, Callum smith or rocky fielding landing it would be goodnight Vienna. Couldn't see much of a strategy last night, its fine for Steve Collins to give motivational speeches about getting stuck in but what was Frank supposed to actually do ? The way he leaned in close and took clean shots as if it was all part of the plan reminded me of how David price fought in the round and a half before teper pole axed him. I don't get that style at all, I thought the idea was hit and don't get hit back.

Nice analysis arlovski, wish youd post more often when you go into that kind of detail.

arlovski wrote:Massive effort from Frank, i and many others thought he'd be stopped easily in this, but he really gritted it out.

Technically he does have obvious flaws i think; his weight is too far over the front foot and his shoulders/hips are too square so he can't dip from the waist or turn his lead shoulder to bring his head off the centre line, which is why he eats so many jabs and straight right hands.

His footwork is decent but he was on his bike from round 1 last night, the fact he stands tall meant Chudinov could easily just follow him and let his punches go as Frank was moving backwards and could bank on either landing, or Frank hitting the ropes where he could then let those body shots go, which were really hurting him from early on imo - again Buglioni showed massive courage to not wilt to those shots.

Buglioni had most success when he was knackered and couldn't use his feet as much, forcing him to stay inside and use his bodyweight to push Chudinov back - this is when he actually landed most off his shots and scored some great little combinations with hooks around and uppercuts through the Russians high static guard.

Again though the problem is that Frank isn't comfortable enough and doesn't have subtlety at close or mid range - his head was bang central at all times, forehead touching with Chudinov which let the Russian know the target was there and wasn't moving, and he can't ride shots using movement from his waist/slipping/catching shots - so can't counter inside, just throw a combination and wait until he gets hammered back.

Chudinov is solid but nothing special if we're honest, a fighter who is capable on the inside and met him centre ring would have success, keep him turning by pivoting, stepping around and changing the angle, he's there to be hit as he's a fairly static target - then back on the outside, score long shots, pick up points, then back to centre ring, so he can't walk you down all the time and feel like he's imposing himself, with strong guys that's a huge psychological blow for them.

All easy to say when you're watching from tv at home though eh, regardless of any of his technical limitations Buglioni is an absolute warrior that we should be proud of imo, waving an opponent on when he knew he was outgunned and couldn't win, throwing shots back with nothing left, you could see how much it meant to him.

He got into an absolute dog fight and didn't back down or go into his shell, puts some of our other recent British world title challengers to shame...

Excellent post! Puts most pundits to shame!

arlovski wrote:Massive effort from Frank, i and many others thought he'd be stopped easily in this, but he really gritted it out.

Technically he does have obvious flaws i think; his weight is too far over the front foot and his shoulders/hips are too square so he can't dip from the waist or turn his lead shoulder to bring his head off the centre line, which is why he eats so many jabs and straight right hands.

His footwork is decent but he was on his bike from round 1 last night, the fact he stands tall meant Chudinov could easily just follow him and let his punches go as Frank was moving backwards and could bank on either landing, or Frank hitting the ropes where he could then let those body shots go, which were really hurting him from early on imo - again Buglioni showed massive courage to not wilt to those shots.

Buglioni had most success when he was knackered and couldn't use his feet as much, forcing him to stay inside and use his bodyweight to push Chudinov back - this is when he actually landed most off his shots and scored some great little combinations with hooks around and uppercuts through the Russians high static guard.

Again though the problem is that Frank isn't comfortable enough and doesn't have subtlety at close or mid range - his head was bang central at all times, forehead touching with Chudinov which let the Russian know the target was there and wasn't moving, and he can't ride shots using movement from his waist/slipping/catching shots - so can't counter inside, just throw a combination and wait until he gets hammered back.

Chudinov is solid but nothing special if we're honest, a fighter who is capable on the inside and met him centre ring would have success, keep him turning by pivoting, stepping around and changing the angle, he's there to be hit as he's a fairly static target - then back on the outside, score long shots, pick up points, then back to centre ring, so he can't walk you down all the time and feel like he's imposing himself, with strong guys that's a huge psychological blow for them.

All easy to say when you're watching from tv at home though eh, regardless of any of his technical limitations Buglioni is an absolute warrior that we should be proud of imo, waving an opponent on when he knew he was outgunned and couldn't win, throwing shots back with nothing left, you could see how much it meant to him.

He got into an absolute dog fight and didn't back down or go into his shell, puts some of our other recent British world title challengers to shame...

I love it when you post.

Controversial wrote:Buglioni is the new Gary Stretch.

That's a comparison I hadn't thought of, and a good one!

arlovski wrote:Massive effort from Frank, i and many others thought he'd be stopped easily in this, but he really gritted it out.

Technically he does have obvious flaws i think; his weight is too far over the front foot and his shoulders/hips are too square so he can't dip from the waist or turn his lead shoulder to bring his head off the centre line, which is why he eats so many jabs and straight right hands.

His footwork is decent but he was on his bike from round 1 last night, the fact he stands tall meant Chudinov could easily just follow him and let his punches go as Frank was moving backwards and could bank on either landing, or Frank hitting the ropes where he could then let those body shots go, which were really hurting him from early on imo - again Buglioni showed massive courage to not wilt to those shots.

Buglioni had most success when he was knackered and couldn't use his feet as much, forcing him to stay inside and use his bodyweight to push Chudinov back - this is when he actually landed most off his shots and scored some great little combinations with hooks around and uppercuts through the Russians high static guard.

Again though the problem is that Frank isn't comfortable enough and doesn't have subtlety at close or mid range - his head was bang central at all times, forehead touching with Chudinov which let the Russian know the target was there and wasn't moving, and he can't ride shots using movement from his waist/slipping/catching shots - so can't counter inside, just throw a combination and wait until he gets hammered back.

Chudinov is solid but nothing special if we're honest, a fighter who is capable on the inside and met him centre ring would have success, keep him turning by pivoting, stepping around and changing the angle, he's there to be hit as he's a fairly static target - then back on the outside, score long shots, pick up points, then back to centre ring, so he can't walk you down all the time and feel like he's imposing himself, with strong guys that's a huge psychological blow for them.

All easy to say when you're watching from tv at home though eh, regardless of any of his technical limitations Buglioni is an absolute warrior that we should be proud of imo, waving an opponent on when he knew he was outgunned and couldn't win, throwing shots back with nothing left, you could see how much it meant to him.

He got into an absolute dog fight and didn't back down or go into his shell, puts some of our other recent British world title challengers to shame...

Good post mate although don't agree with frank having good foot work, he reminded me of David price when he tried to get on his toes, its not natural for him which is why he looked like Bambi on ice at times, good effort overall but he's had his 15 minutes now.

Had buglioni somehow managed a win there was mention of him fighting in unifications. The likelihood would have been a load of fringe contenders until a mandatory was ordered and then he would lose to them

SamWise72 wrote:

Controversial wrote:Buglioni is the new Gary Stretch.

That's a comparison I hadn't thought of, and a good one!

And there I was hanging on allegedly's words that Buglioni was the 'White Nigel Benn'.....

wesshaw1985 wrote:

mike john wrote:buglioni would be decimated by george groves. he lasted tonight because he should tremendous heart, sure, but courage or no courage, if he wasnt clearly bigger than chudinov, and the champion could punch a bit, frank wouldnt have seen the 8th round.

if that was groves landing those punches...forget about it

So where does he go from here then?
He clearly isn't world title level.
A fight with Groves makes sense for groves, Buglioni and Fr@nk W@rren.
Both coming off losses, headlines and sells in London, B0xnati0n shows it, winner gets Chudinov.
What's not to love?

Fight the winner of Blackledge-Markham for the Commonwealth title, that's his level and it's a chance to pick up his first major title, as well as a possible rematch with Markham.

He's just taken a bad beating from Chudinov, the last thing he needs is another one from Groves, who is far too good for him.

He's a poor mans mark kaylor

littlepug wrote:He's a poor mans mark kaylor

Agree, kaylor was no fancy Dan but was a good way ahead of buglioni technically

He sold a few tickets, too, I believe..... ;;-)

wesshaw1985 wrote:

mike john wrote:buglioni would be decimated by george groves. he lasted tonight because he should tremendous heart, sure, but courage or no courage, if he wasnt clearly bigger than chudinov, and the champion could punch a bit, frank wouldnt have seen the 8th round.

if that was groves landing those punches...forget about it

So where does he go from here then?
He clearly isn't world title level.
A fight with Groves makes sense for groves, Buglioni and Fr@nk W@rren.
Both coming off losses, headlines and sells in London, B0xnati0n shows it, winner gets Chudinov.
What's not to love?

somewhere other than groves. its an utter mis-match, as this fight was. i didnt enjoy seeing an overmatched fighter getting pummelled for round after round with no clue and no chance whatsoever. difference with groves is, frank wouldnt see the 3rd round

I see Skeete won against Mark Thompson, says that Thompson dislocated his hip, nasty injury. Wish him well for recovery

I can't fault Buglioni, he has done incredibly well with the tools he has got and lasting 12 last night without putting in a negative performance is more than anyone could have expected.
Well done to him I say.

arlovski wrote:Massive effort from Frank, i and many others thought he'd be stopped easily in this, but he really gritted it out.

Technically he does have obvious flaws i think; his weight is too far over the front foot and his shoulders/hips are too square so he can't dip from the waist or turn his lead shoulder to bring his head off the centre line, which is why he eats so many jabs and straight right hands.

His footwork is decent but he was on his bike from round 1 last night, the fact he stands tall meant Chudinov could easily just follow him and let his punches go as Frank was moving backwards and could bank on either landing, or Frank hitting the ropes where he could then let those body shots go, which were really hurting him from early on imo - again Buglioni showed massive courage to not wilt to those shots.

Buglioni had most success when he was knackered and couldn't use his feet as much, forcing him to stay inside and use his bodyweight to push Chudinov back - this is when he actually landed most off his shots and scored some great little combinations with hooks around and uppercuts through the Russians high static guard.

Again though the problem is that Frank isn't comfortable enough and doesn't have subtlety at close or mid range - his head was bang central at all times, forehead touching with Chudinov which let the Russian know the target was there and wasn't moving, and he can't ride shots using movement from his waist/slipping/catching shots - so can't counter inside, just throw a combination and wait until he gets hammered back.

Chudinov is solid but nothing special if we're honest, a fighter who is capable on the inside and met him centre ring would have success, keep him turning by pivoting, stepping around and changing the angle, he's there to be hit as he's a fairly static target - then back on the outside, score long shots, pick up points, then back to centre ring, so he can't walk you down all the time and feel like he's imposing himself, with strong guys that's a huge psychological blow for them.

All easy to say when you're watching from tv at home though eh, regardless of any of his technical limitations Buglioni is an absolute warrior that we should be proud of imo, waving an opponent on when he knew he was outgunned and couldn't win, throwing shots back with nothing left, you could see how much it meant to him.

He got into an absolute dog fight and didn't back down or go into his shell, puts some of our other recent British world title challengers to shame...

Good read that.

kamicazze wrote:Had buglioni somehow managed a win there was mention of him fighting in unifications. The likelihood would have been a load of fringe contenders until a mandatory was ordered and then he would lose to them

I like John Rawling a lot but he was talking huge domestic fights and world unification bouts plural. If by some miracle Buglioni won last night he would have been wiped out by any of the other top ranked SMW next time.

great, enjoyable fight...fair play to frank for staying in there until the end when it was a lost cause and he was tired.

as for chudinov, he's a poundland ricky hatton without the sidestep isn't he?

veriton wrote:great, enjoyable fight...fair play to frank for staying in there until the end when it was a lost cause and he was tired.

as for chudinov, he's a poundland ricky hatton without the sidestep isn't he?

Agree, can't see him troubling the big boys of the division, but saying that he's only had 14 fights.

veriton wrote:great, enjoyable fight...fair play to frank for staying in there until the end when it was a lost cause and he was tired.

as for chudinov, he's a poundland ricky hatton without the sidestep isn't he?

Chudinov reminded me of a poundland Golovkin rather than Hatton, except without the same power or finesse, but very similar in the way he walked forward, cutting off the ring with ease, then firing off accurate, clubbing punches without really wasting anything.

Surprisingly good call by the ref, as he is sometimes seen as a bit of a house ref; even with Frank yelling at ringside and an irate crowd, he did the right thing and penalised Frankie B for the clearly after the bell knock down: Chudinov heard the bell and dropped his hands.

Shame he didn't land those punches earlier in the round, that could have been sensational - very brave guy but uncomfortable seeing him take all those punches in the last two rounds, which is dangerous when you're absolutely exhausted ( and have a lousy defence )
Frank was caught so easily you wonder just what the hell they thought he was going to do, because presumably he gets caught just as easily in sparring.

MightyWarrior wrote:Shame he didn't land those punches earlier in the round, that could have been sensational - very brave guy but uncomfortable seeing him take all those punches in the last two rounds, which is dangerous when you're absolutely exhausted ( and have a lousy defence )

^^ yes MW mate. I'd like to add as well that I actually turned it off after I think the tenth 'cos Buglioni obviously wasn't going to turn it around & I didn't think Chudinov had the power to get a finish, & the ref & the corner were being (as usual) ten times braver than if the away fighter was in the same boat. I really don't like to see someone's brain bounced around for fvck all like that.

I did like it when the commentator piped up about round 9 about "Buglioni, how wonderful if he could see the final bell" & Barry shot him down immediately with "It won't be wonderful if he's got to take another twelve minutes [or whatever time was remaining] of this, John" with an appropriate air of reproach & Rawling paused in the blowhard cheerleading for one second & appeared to reconsider that he was asking a fighter who clearly wasn't able to do fvck all but get a pasting to continue to get pasted in order for the hometown crowd to have some reason to cheer or keep the viewer from turning over.

Of course, about two minutes later Rawling was back at it trying to drum up some cheap drama & Barry never mentioned it again but I have to say Bazzah went up massively in my estimation then.

MightyWarrior wrote:Surprisingly good call by the ref, as he is sometimes seen as a bit of a house ref; even with Frank yelling at ringside and an irate crowd, he did the right thing and penalised Frankie B for the clearly after the bell knock down: Chudinov heard the bell and dropped his hands.

Protect yourself at all times. A world champion shouldn't be getting floored by Buglioni before or after the bell. He deserved to taste the canvas.

MightyWarrior wrote:Shame he didn't land those punches earlier in the round, that could have been sensational - very brave guy but uncomfortable seeing him take all those punches in the last two rounds, which is dangerous when you're absolutely exhausted ( and have a lousy defence )
Frank was caught so easily you wonder just what the hell they thought he was going to do, because presumably he gets caught just as easily in sparring.

Offence was his best form of defence and generally I thought he did a pretty good job of defending himself (considering that he's an area level fighter with a rubbish defence).