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Evander wrote:For all intents and purposes it strikes me like a deal has been made to enhance the Heavyweight elite, with Wilder going to Russia and Joshua getting a shot signals big moves North of the divisions.

Things ARE looking good right now! "Wow!! ; )

The more I see of Martin the more I think he'll get knocked out. He's not quick enough or light enough on his feet to evade AJs quick thunderous punches. Don't get me wrong I'm no AJ fan boy and think he'll come unstuck soon enough but Martin is made for him. He leaves his chin out and doesn't get his hands back quick enough to block counters. His footwork is pretty shocking too. His Southy stance may bamboozle AJ for a minute or two but I think when Joshua hits him it's lights out. I'm not confident enough to bet on the result but if see this as a massive upset if Martin won.

The Insider wrote:The more I see of Martin the more I think he'll get knocked out. He's not quick enough or light enough on his feet to evade AJs quick thunderous punches. Don't get me wrong I'm no AJ fan boy and think he'll come unstuck soon enough but Martin is made for him. He leaves his chin out and doesn't get his hands back quick enough to block counters. His footwork is pretty shocking too. His Southy stance may bamboozle AJ for a minute or two but I think when Joshua hits him it's lights out. I'm not confident enough to bet on the result but if see this as a massive upset if Martin won.

How do you think Joshua would do against Ortiz?

I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

lefty wrote:

The Insider wrote:The more I see of Martin the more I think he'll get knocked out. He's not quick enough or light enough on his feet to evade AJs quick thunderous punches. Don't get me wrong I'm no AJ fan boy and think he'll come unstuck soon enough but Martin is made for him. He leaves his chin out and doesn't get his hands back quick enough to block counters. His footwork is pretty shocking too. His Southy stance may bamboozle AJ for a minute or two but I think when Joshua hits him it's lights out. I'm not confident enough to bet on the result but if see this as a massive upset if Martin won.

How do you think Joshua would do against Ortiz?

I believe Ortiz would knock Joshua out.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

Harrymonk36 wrote:Joshua to win for me. I think he hits too hard for Martin to go the 12.

Martin is a relative unknown in the UK which is why he's the outsider. I'd also add weight to the theory that AJ will win, in that Eddie Hearn would never have taken this fight if he saw it as any kind of risk. Eddie doesn't like risks.

You just have to look at the rest of the card, and it's practically House fighter v Selected Opponent in every bout, even the "World Title" ones.

I hope it turns out to be a decent card, as the PPV for Frampton v Quigg was an embarrassment.

Josh Warrington vs. Hisashi Amagasa = BIG RISK

Fair comment on that one.

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

I put £25

The Insider wrote:

lefty wrote:

The Insider wrote:The more I see of Martin the more I think he'll get knocked out. He's not quick enough or light enough on his feet to evade AJs quick thunderous punches. Don't get me wrong I'm no AJ fan boy and think he'll come unstuck soon enough but Martin is made for him. He leaves his chin out and doesn't get his hands back quick enough to block counters. His footwork is pretty shocking too. His Southy stance may bamboozle AJ for a minute or two but I think when Joshua hits him it's lights out. I'm not confident enough to bet on the result but if see this as a massive upset if Martin won.

How do you think Joshua would do against Ortiz?

I believe Ortiz would knock Joshua out.

i believe ortiz would knock joshua out aswell

Oiky wrote:

The Insider wrote:

lefty wrote: How do you think Joshua would do against Ortiz?

I believe Ortiz would knock Joshua out.

i believe ortiz would knock joshua out aswell

Yeah I feel the same way.

Lennox wrote:

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

I put £25

What are the odds, Lennox?

How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

Tony1244 wrote:How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

Just based on how he's looked against certain opponents. Klitschko never looked close to doing to Jennings what Ortiz did.

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

at 6/1
Martin Rd 1 - 50/1

Tony1244 wrote:How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

I'd consider Jennings to be somebody. He was probably consensus top 8 or so when Ortiz took him out, which Wlad had just failed to do, and had at least proved himself to be a level above Spzilka.

crusader wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

I'd consider Jennings to be somebody. He was probably consensus top 8 or so when Ortiz took him out, which Wlad had just failed to do, and had at least proved himself to be a level above Spzilka.

Jennings was a good win, the best of any of those three. Ortiz is older though, and has some failed tests as I recall. I could see him winning a title but I don't find him anywhere near the top like some seem to.

95gerog wrote:

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

at 6/1
Martin Rd 1 - 50/1

Thanks

punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

I'd consider Jennings to be somebody. He was probably consensus top 8 or so when Ortiz took him out, which Wlad had just failed to do, and had at least proved himself to be a level above Spzilka.

Jennings was a good win, the best of any of those three. Ortiz is older though, and has some failed tests as I recall. I could see him winning a title but I don't find him anywhere near the top like some seem to.

Who would you pick to beat Ortiz?

lefty wrote:Who would you pick to beat Ortiz?

Ortiz is unproven. He looked great against Jennings and Thompson, but that's hardly the highest calibre. I wouldn't confidently pick for or against him against any of the top guys.

What I mean is he's 37 and already has one failed drug test under his belt; I find it hard to believe he'll stay on top long if he even gets there.

palooka wrote:

Lennox wrote:

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

I put £25

What are the odds, Lennox?

9-1 on betfair

palooka wrote:I'm thinking about putting a tenner on a first round stoppage for AJ.

I put $80.00 down bit- better than 3 to 1.

Boxing will be better if the Cruiserweight div. limits were SET- back. My idea is 195/190 champions choice. Vacs, 190. That's what I think.

lefty wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:
I'd consider Jennings to be somebody. He was probably consensus top 8 or so when Ortiz took him out, which Wlad had just failed to do, and had at least proved himself to be a level above Spzilka.

Jennings was a good win, the best of any of those three. Ortiz is older though, and has some failed tests as I recall. I could see him winning a title but I don't find him anywhere near the top like some seem to.

Who would you pick to beat Ortiz?

Good question. Hard to answer because we don't know, or at least I don't know, much about Ortiz's ability to take a good punch. If he has a very good chin, perhaps only Fury or Wlad at the most can beat him. In a few years, Hughie Fury may be able to beat guys like Ortiz on points.

punchoutsb wrote:

crusader wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:How come Ortiz, Joshua, and Martin all haven't fought anybody, but only Ortiz is talked about like he's the 2nd Coming of Christ?

Just curious...

I'd consider Jennings to be somebody. He was probably consensus top 8 or so when Ortiz took him out, which Wlad had just failed to do, and had at least proved himself to be a level above Spzilka.

Jennings was a good win, the best of any of those three. Ortiz is older though, and has some failed tests as I recall. I could see him winning a title but I don't find him anywhere near the top like some seem to.

True, Jennings was a good win. I did exaggerate a bit on that, but Ortiz seems to be getting more of the benefit of the doubt.

BitPlayer wrote:

Starboxer wrote:Objective assessment ?


Joshua is green and terrified of gassing , Joshua has brought in southpaw sparing partners and keeps getting hit flush ...his only option is to look for the ko and he knows his stamina is limited , this is world class boxing over 12 rounds

Martin is loose as a goose but Joshua isn't

Source?

I heard on the grapevine , just a sparring rumour ,McCracken is training him isn't he , there is also a video on YouTube were Carl froch is saying he is. Worried for Joshua and he keeps talking about Martin s very ,very powerful left hand


Think what you will

Taki... wrote:

Starboxer wrote:Objective assessment ?


Joshua is green and terrified of gassing , Joshua has brought in southpaw sparing partners and keeps getting hit flush ...his only option is to look for the ko and he knows his stamina is limited , this is world class boxing over 12 rounds

Martin is loose as a goose but Joshua isn't

Given NEITHER has done anything to show they're 'world class' I'd suggest you're talking out of your aris.
At least try and put forth a genuine opinion instead of this tedious substandard attempt at trolling.

You call me troll for for calling the Joshua fight world class boxing ? You are being ridiculous
, you should write a letter to Eddie. Hearn and sky to complain