Who is The #1 Heavyweight of All Time?

[Kalan]

At the very least the fight goes to the scorecards if the fight goes more than 4 rounds... It did... an Lewis should win a Unanimous Technical Decision

[Kalan]

IF he were ahead on the scorecards... HE WASN'T... So Klitschko wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

[hhaehre]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck..

Sure coach. Did you by any chance coach at the same school where Brut is teaching science? That would explain things.

[gilgamesh]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck.. If that's not holding and hitting what is??? ... You won't answer that one.

The sequence where the cut started none of these things happened. You're living in your own world of make believe again.

[gilgamesh]

At the very least the fight goes to the scorecards if the fight goes more than 4 rounds... It did... an Lewis should win a Unanimous Technical Decision

There were no fouls so Lewis won by TKO. That's the way it works. Deal with it.

[Tomasino]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck..

Sure coach. Did you by any chance coach at the same school where Brut is teaching science? That would explain things.

[man]

ali slightly over louis, mainly due
to him proving his quality against
greater opposition.

[man]

Yes... He retired very healthy, wealthy, and maybe happy... But his ATG ranking dipped because he reneged on the rematch he promised Vitali Klitschko

I doubt Lennox has had any sleepless nights worring about his ATG ranking.

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

you know that's not true.

[Kalan]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck.. If that's not holding and hitting what is??? ... You won't answer that one.

The sequence where the cut started none of these things happened. You're living in your own world of make believe again.

You refuse to acknowledge the truth... That those cuts were all caused by fouls in less than 5 seconds of action... When Lou Moret pulled Lewis and VK out of that clinch, Vitali's face was pouring blood... I knew you wouldn't answer the question about the holding and hitting because that's impossible to dispute

[Kalan]

I doubt Lennox has had any sleepless nights worring about his ATG ranking.

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

you know that's not true.

He knows it's not true... Klitschko was winning on all scorecards and talk about a rematch started immediately after the fight... Everybody knew it was a phony result and Lewis promised Klitschko a rematch for months... But he didn't say when... And when Klitschko was made his mandatory challenger he retired

[gilgamesh]

ALL the fouls happened... The thumb strike with the right thumb... the head work - It's illegal to pull an opponent into your head... the palm rake... it's illegal to hit with any part of the glove but the end of the fist.. the edge or palm are illegal striking areas.. And it's illegal to hit your opponent while you're holding him around the neck.. If that's not holding and hitting what is??? ... You won't answer that one.

The sequence where the cut started none of these things happened. You're living in your own world of make believe again.

You refuse to acknowledge the truth... That those cuts were all caused by fouls in less than 5 seconds of action... When Lou Moret pulled Lewis and VK out of that clinch, Vitali's face was pouring blood... I knew you wouldn't answer the question about the holding and hitting because that's impossible to dispute

I watched it, and there were no fouls. If anybody but you sees those fouls I'll look again, if they don't I'll chalk it up to another plate of bullsh*t served up by you.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I doubt Lennox has had any sleepless nights worring about his ATG ranking.

He didn't lose anything either. Beating the dogshit out of Vitali for his swan song elevated him. Very decisive win, no need for another.

you know that's not true.

Sure it is. As far as the final fights of great Heavyweight champions, that's high on the list. Not that Vitali ever proved much, but he was stern and Lewis vanquished him with impunity.

[Counter-puncher]

I particularly like the bit where Vitali hangs onto Lewis' left arm and Lewis beats his ribs in with about 20 punches, with his right hand, from the clinch.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

None of the Vitali apologists ever bring up when he 'cowered' into retirement rather than fight Rahman.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I never once cheered for Lennox in a fight, but the hypocrisy is comical. He never came back, he won the fight, he's greater than both Klitschko's combined. Deal with it, it's never going to change.

[cfang]

I never once cheered for Lennox in a fight, but the hypocrisy is comical. He never came back, he won the fight, he's greater than both Klitschko's combined. Deal with it, it's never going to change.

[hhaehre]

I never once cheered for Lennox in a fight, but the hypocrisy is comical. He never came back, he won the fight, he's greater than both Klitschko's combined. Deal with it, it's never going to change.

[man]

I never once cheered for Lennox in a fight, but the hypocrisy is comical. He never came back, he won the fight, he's greater than both Klitschko's combined. Deal with it, it's never going to change.

it was a fair stoppage and still lewis was
close to losing, which, if it happens to the
heavy weight champ, is enough to make
questions for a rematch legit.

denying that is ... silly.

[Ambling Alp II]

What is silly is people thinking that it's a big achievement to get stopped after just six rounds by a woefully out of shape fighter.

[BoxBuzz]

I give Lennox props....but when a fight is stopped on cuts, I think it's compromised a bit. I liked The onion farmer's take...."Let it Bleed". What's a little blood in the ring between fighters.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I never once cheered for Lennox in a fight, but the hypocrisy is comical. He never came back, he won the fight, he's greater than both Klitschko's combined. Deal with it, it's never going to change.

it was a fair stoppage and still lewis was
close to losing, which, if it happens to the
heavy weight champ, is enough to make
questions for a rematch legit.

denying that is ... silly.

Probably would be if anybody ever did. Lennox retired, every boxer has that option. If he had continued fighting and not fought the rematch you could question him about it. Fact is, he wasn't close to losing at all. The premise that he was afraid of a guy he gave a fight on less than a weeks notice is far sillier than anything else mentioned about the two.

[Kalan]

None of the Vitali apologists ever bring up when he 'cowered' into retirement rather than fight Rahman.

Rahman was really a threat wasn't he??? ... Rahman was knocked out twice by the woefully inept Oleg Maskaev... Maskaev was easily stopped by Sam Peter... Peter was battered every minute of every round by Vitali Klitschko -- at age 37 and 4 years of inactivity due to rehabbing his injured legs.

[Ambling Alp II]

I give Lennox props....but when a fight is stopped on cuts, I think it's compromised a bit. I liked The onion farmer's take...."Let it Bleed". What's a little blood in the ring between fighters.

It's not compromised at all.
Have never understood this argument or excuse. It's not like a fighter has no control over getting cut.
Ever notice that good defensive fighters seldom get cut and poor defensive fighters often do?
If Klitschko had any good defense his face would not have looked like it went through a meat grinder.
If he was a hard puncher he would have stopped that version of Lewis before he got stopped on cuts.

He lost because he really was not that good.

[man]

it was a fair stoppage and still lewis was
close to losing, which, if it happens to the
heavy weight champ, is enough to make
questions for a rematch legit.

denying that is ... silly.

Lennox retired, every boxer has that option. If he had continued fighting and not fought the rematch you could question him about it. ... Fact is, he wasn't close to losing at all. The premise that he was afraid of a guy he gave a fight on less than a weeks notice is far sillier than anything else mentioned about the two.

i for one don't hold it terribly against
lennox that he denied the rematch. he
had the right to do that at his age and
of course he was not "afraid".

but everybody including the british
TV team had a moment in the second
- if i recall correctly - round where they
thought lennox was close to be taken
out. that plus the fact that klitschko was
ahead on all three cards and the stoppage
was in the end on a cut ... well "close to
losing" doesn't seem require terribly much
imagination.

[Kalan]

Ever notice that good defensive fighters seldom get cut and poor defensive fighters often do?

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Those 3 deeply slashed cuts were the ONLY threatening cuts Vitali Klitschko EVER suffered in over 200 amateur fights and 47 professional fights... so he very seldom got cut.. And Lewis seldom cut anybody - that was the only fight Lewis ever won on cuts and the only fight Vitali ever lost on cuts -- versus Henry Cooper losing many several fights on cuts.

Those 3 cuts were cause by a thumb strike on the left eyelid with Lewis's right glove... closely followed by holding and hitting with a palm slash to the face and cheek... Illegal striking areas of Lewis's right glove---the thumb area causing a nick.... and the outside edge of the glove and the palm of the glove slashed over Vitali's face while he was in a headlock... caused 3 major cuts on Vitali's left eyelid and left cheek... in the first 15 seconds of the 3rd round all the damage to Vitali's left eye is done by foul blows.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9OkXneaGkM At 2:44 you see the damage to VK's eyelid. Here's what caused it. Al 2:57 of the video you see the thumb strike... Then at 3:02 of the video you see the holding and hitting and palm slash to the eye... If you stop the video as the Lewis slashes with his palm you see the insignia on the back of the Lewis's glove, meaning his palm is facing Vitali.. In those 5 seconds the damage was done.. at 4:16 of the video you see Lewis flagrantly palming Vitali in the face -- and a cursory warning from Lou Moret with Lewis not even looking at him -- which means LL knows he has Moret in his hip pocket... Generally after such severe fouls a referee calls time and official warnings are issued or points taken.