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Horse wrote:1. (1.) Tyson Fury
2. (3.) Carl Frampton
3. (2.) James DeGale
4. (4.) Kell Brook
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Lee Selby
7. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
8. (8.) George Groves
9. (9.) Tony Bellew
10. (10.) Billy Joe Saunders

11. (12.) Terry Flanagan
12. (11.) Scott Quigg
13. (13.) Ricky Burns
14. (14.) Anthony Crolla
15. (15.) Martin Murray
16. (16.) Chris Eubank Jr.
17. (17.) Callum Smith
18. (18.) Anthony Joshua
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (20.) Andy Lee (Irish)

21. (21.) Ola Afolabi
22. (22.) Ovill McKenzie
23. (23.) Nathan Cleverly
24. (26.) Josh Warrington
25. (RE.) Luke Campbell
26. (NE.) Tyrone Nurse
27. (24.) Bradley Skeete
28. (25.) Stuart Hall
29. (NE.) Liam Williams
30. (27.) David Haye

Out - (28.) Liam Walsh
Out - (29.) Liam Smith
Out - (30.) Matthew Macklin

rio wrote:How can quigg be ahead of legitimate world champions like crolla and burns? He's never won a world title, held a plastic one for a while and his best win was against Kiko after frampton had beaten him twice. Once he stepped up to fight carl he was like a fish out of water.

Switch hitter wrote:Groves and Eubank Jr are too high and Liam Smith Should be in butd other than that it's not bad

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rio wrote:How can quigg be ahead of legitimate world champions like crolla and burns? He's never won a world title, held a plastic one for a while and his best win was against Kiko after frampton had beaten him twice. Once he stepped up to fight carl he was like a fish out of water.

Quigg didn't do badly against Frampton. It was a close fight in the end, even after his very slow start.

Holding a title belt doesn't mean that much by itself. If you think that these other fighters have better records then fine, but don't bang on about silly little titles, because that really doesn't matter.

Naandrew wrote:The fight was far from close he did f**k all until round 9

rio wrote:
How can quigg be ahead of legitimate world champions like crolla and burns? He's never won a world title, held a plastic one for a while and his best win was against Kiko after frampton had beaten him twice. Once he stepped up to fight carl he was like a fish out of water.

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Naandrew wrote:The fight was far from close he did f**k all until round 9

Frampton wasn't doing a great deal himself.

It was a close fight.

Naandrew wrote:True but Quigg literally did nothing until round 8 I can not see how anyone could have given any of the first 8 rounds to Quigg. I only gave him 9 and 11.

I was at the arena and watched it for the first time since last weekend so it's quite fresh in the mind.

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Naandrew wrote:True but Quigg literally did nothing until round 8 I can not see how anyone could have given any of the first 8 rounds to Quigg. I only gave him 9 and 11.

I was at the arena and watched it for the first time since last weekend so it's quite fresh in the mind.

I scored the fight a draw, so we both saw the fight very differently.

I thought that Frampton's work was vastly overrated early on.

Stuarty30 wrote:I had Frampton winning. Quigg didn't do enough to merit a draw. Too little too late.

Overrated how? I've not heard anyone say he was overly impressive but he was doing enough to pick up the rounds.

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Switch hitter wrote:Groves and Eubank Jr are too high and Liam Smith Should be in butd other than that it's not bad

Why should Smith be in?

His record lacks any single win that I would say is deserving of a top 30 ranking.

He's got a bunch of okay wins, but no wins that I would even consider "good" wins.

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Horse wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:Groves and Eubank Jr are too high and Liam Smith Should be in butd other than that it's not bad

Why should Smith be in?

His record lacks any single win that I would say is deserving of a top 30 ranking.

He's got a bunch of okay wins, but no wins that I would even consider "good" wins.

Same could be said about Nurse and Skeete......

Switch hitter wrote:Same could be said about Nurse and Skeete......

Switch hitter wrote:And Eubank jr come to think of it...

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rio wrote:How can quigg be ahead of legitimate world champions like crolla and burns? He's never won a world title, held a plastic one for a while and his best win was against Kiko after frampton had beaten him twice. Once he stepped up to fight carl he was like a fish out of water.

Quigg didn't do badly against Frampton. It was a close fight in the end, even after his very slow start.

Holding a title belt doesn't mean that much by itself. If you think that these other fighters have better records then fine, but don't bang on about silly little titles, because that really doesn't matter.

rio wrote:Close fight?? He lost the 1st 8 rounds by doing nothing, he won 3 rounds max.

rio wrote:Burns and crolla both hold better wins at world level than quigg. Actually can you tell me who quigg has ever beat at world level? What has he actually don't to be rated higher than burns and crolla?

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rio wrote:Close fight?? He lost the 1st 8 rounds by doing nothing, he won 3 rounds max.

In your opinion.

Frampton was terrible himself in the first 8 rounds and did not deserve to be 8 rounds up based on what he did.

rio wrote:Burns and crolla both hold better wins at world level than quigg. Actually can you tell me who quigg has ever beat at world level? What has he actually don't to be rated higher than burns and crolla?

Quigg beat Martinez.

Burns hasn't had a world level win for many years.

What world level wins does Crolla have? Barroso? Perez? I didn't rate them that highly.

Stuarty30 wrote:Khan hasn't had a world level win for many years. He's still top 5. Maybe with next months list you should try looking at things objectively instead of with your rose tinted glasses on.

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Switch hitter wrote:Same could be said about Nurse and Skeete......

I think that Nurse's wins against Limond and Coyle were good.

I think that Skeete's wins against Lynes and Eggington were good.

Switch hitter wrote:And Eubank jr come to think of it...

I think that Eubank's wins against Blackwell & Chudinov were good.

I look at Smith's record and don't see anything good. Ochieng and O'Meara? Not good wins for me, just decent.

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Stuarty30 wrote:Khan hasn't had a world level win for many years. He's still top 5. Maybe with next months list you should try looking at things objectively instead of with your rose tinted glasses on.

I should see things the way that you see them, I suppose?

Switch hitter wrote:And shot Limond and just moved up Coyle ??
Lynes was well past his best and a limited Eggington ??
Eubanks wins are nothing to write home about.......each to there own

Stuarty30 wrote:Is that what I said? I just don't think you look at things impartially. Fury at no1 and Khan at no5? Two well known favourites of yours. You seem to use different rules for different fighters when trying to justify their positions, contradicting yourself in the process.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion but you always seem to think you're right even when scores of posters are telling you you're wrong. You should definitely change the thread title to 'Horses UK top 30' or something similar as suggested by another poster.

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Stuarty30 wrote:Is that what I said? I just don't think you look at things impartially. Fury at no1 and Khan at no5? Two well known favourites of yours. You seem to use different rules for different fighters when trying to justify their positions, contradicting yourself in the process.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion but you always seem to think you're right even when scores of posters are telling you you're wrong. You should definitely change the thread title to 'Horses UK top 30' or something similar as suggested by another poster.

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Switch hitter wrote:And shot Limond and just moved up Coyle ??
Lynes was well past his best and a limited Eggington ??
Eubanks wins are nothing to write home about.......each to there own

And Smith has done what that is better?