DA GOOSE wrote:
There have been much worse decisions than this Clive. World wide Kovalev-Ward I didn't mention race or politics sorry to make you post in caps.
Kovalev vs Ward was a very, very close fight. I gave Ward the edge. I had Mundine winning by 4 rounds.
We will agree to disagree 4 rounds win to Mundine is a stretch IMO though I only watched a poor copy on you-tube(I think the same one Like a Boss has put up in another thread). Though I think upon 2nd viewing of the 1st round Green exaggerated his concussion and won the 4 rounds after ''the concussion''.
The refereeing and scoring in this fight was abysmal.
NOT BAD FOR A CONCUSSED FIGHTER WIN THE NEXT THREE ROUND'S 2/3/4 ON ALL CARD'S HE'S A LEGEND
bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine winning the last couple of rounds seems to have clouded the judgement of some.
I had Green well ahead at the half way point. The three judges had it the same way. So Mundine was playing catch up the whole second half of the fight.
Not sure how anyone can be surprised one judge had it even. He basically had Green winning the first half of the fight and Mundine winning the second half and that was the trend of the fight.
That was how Jeff Horn saw it too:
“It was a close fight. Green dominated the first half even though he’d taken that heavy shot from the foul punch in round one. Mundine came home strong but there were two or three close rounds that could have gone either way.’’
Aussie Olympic great Athol McQueen who decked the great Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics was more certain about the outcome:
“Mundine has to be kidding. Danny Green won the fight. He dominated it. He swept the first five rounds for starters.’’
Gosh, you're reeeeeally getting desperate now. So, because the #13 best welterweight on the planet that hasn't fought a welterweight ranked inside the top 40, and thinks he can beat Manny Pacquiao... Plus a boxer that 99/100 Australian boxing have NEVER heard and possibly suffering from 'tall poppy' syndrome say the Green won... Well, he must've won then!
It is plain to see the referee has already turned Green away from Mundine - look at the placement of the referee's arm inside Green's, and as a result Green's back is to Mundine when he loads up and hits him from behind.
The only person that broke the rules was the man that's meant to uphold them, the ref! Classic hate mongering here by the way. I notice you didn't throw in there exactly what the referee was saying... to Green!
Lairdy wrote:Kovalev vs Ward was a very, very close fight. I gave Ward the edge. I had Mundine winning by 4 rounds.
We will agree to disagree 4 rounds win to Mundine is a stretch IMO though I only watched a poor copy on you-tube(I think the same one Like a Boss has put up in another thread). Though I think upon 2nd viewing of the 1st round Green exaggerated his concussion and won the 4 rounds after ''the concussion''.
The refereeing and scoring in this fight was abysmal.
NOT BAD FOR A CONCUSSED FIGHTER WIN THE NEXT THREE ROUND'S 2/3/4 ON ALL CARD'S HE'S A LEGEND
That just adds to the "legend" of Danny Green Clive! Did you know that not only was he "concussed", but the punch knocked him "unconscious"...
bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine winning the last couple of rounds seems to have clouded the judgement of some.
I had Green well ahead at the half way point. The three judges had it the same way. So Mundine was playing catch up the whole second half of the fight.
Not sure how anyone can be surprised one judge had it even. He basically had Green winning the first half of the fight and Mundine winning the second half and that was the trend of the fight.
That was how Jeff Horn saw it too:
“It was a close fight. Green dominated the first half even though he’d taken that heavy shot from the foul punch in round one. Mundine came home strong but there were two or three close rounds that could have gone either way.’’
Aussie Olympic great Athol McQueen who decked the great Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics was more certain about the outcome:
“Mundine has to be kidding. Danny Green won the fight. He dominated it. He swept the first five rounds for starters.’’
Gosh, you're reeeeeally getting desperate now. So, because the #13 best welterweight on the planet that hasn't fought a welterweight ranked inside the top 40, and thinks he can beat Manny Pacquiao... Plus a boxer that 99/100 Australian boxing have NEVER heard and possibly suffering from 'tall poppy' syndrome say the Green won... Well, he must've won then!
That you mention tall poppy syndrome and are guilty of it in the very same post is ironic
bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine winning the last couple of rounds seems to have clouded the judgement of some.
I had Green well ahead at the half way point. The three judges had it the same way. So Mundine was playing catch up the whole second half of the fight.
Not sure how anyone can be surprised one judge had it even. He basically had Green winning the first half of the fight and Mundine winning the second half and that was the trend of the fight.
That was how Jeff Horn saw it too:
“It was a close fight. Green dominated the first half even though he’d taken that heavy shot from the foul punch in round one. Mundine came home strong but there were two or three close rounds that could have gone either way.’’
Aussie Olympic great Athol McQueen who decked the great Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics was more certain about the outcome:
“Mundine has to be kidding. Danny Green won the fight. He dominated it. He swept the first five rounds for starters.’’
Gosh, you're reeeeeally getting desperate now. So, because the #13 best welterweight on the planet that hasn't fought a welterweight ranked inside the top 40, and thinks he can beat Manny Pacquiao... Plus a boxer that 99/100 Australian boxing have NEVER heard and possibly suffering from 'tall poppy' syndrome say the Green won... Well, he must've won then!
That you mention tall poppy syndrome and are guilty of it in the very same post is ironic
Not at all champ! That's realism! Horn is a very good domestic fighter that hasn't proved himself on the world stage yet. That's fact!
I like how you took my comment out of context btw.
...and there are now 8 peoplein Australia that think Green won!
Lairdy wrote:
Gosh, you're reeeeeally getting desperate now. So, because the #13 best welterweight on the planet that hasn't fought a welterweight ranked inside the top 40, and thinks he can beat Manny Pacquiao... Plus a boxer that 99/100 Australian boxing have NEVER heard and possibly suffering from 'tall poppy' syndrome say the Green won... Well, he must've won then!
That you mention tall poppy syndrome and are guilty of it in the very same post is ironic
Not at all champ! That's realism! Horn is a very good domestic fighter that hasn't proved himself on the world stage yet. That's fact!
I like how you took my comment out of context btw.
...and there are now 8 peoplein Australia that think Green won!
Not content to simply make light of two people's opinions you feel you have to mock their achievements as well.
If the opinions of the 13th ranked welterweight in the world and a guy who did us proud at the Olympics count for nothing what makes your opinion count for anything?
bogan whisperer wrote:
That you mention tall poppy syndrome and are guilty of it in the very same post is ironic
Not at all champ! That's realism! Horn is a very good domestic fighter that hasn't proved himself on the world stage yet. That's fact!
I like how you took my comment out of context btw.
...and there are now 8 peoplein Australia that think Green won!
Not content to simply make light of two people's opinions you feel you have to mock their achievements as well.
If the opinions of the 13th ranked welterweight in the world and a guy who did us proud at the Olympics count for nothing what makes your opinion count for anything?
You are surely kidding? So, because Horn has achieved some good things in his career, his opinion carries more weight?
Fenech, Michael, Bika... The list goes on of all the people that have done more in their careers than Horn, yet think think differently on this fight. See how silly you look now...
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who says it... It's an opinion. But when guys like yourself come up with these pathetic arguments, you look like fools.
Lairdy wrote:
Not at all champ! That's realism! Horn is a very good domestic fighter that hasn't proved himself on the world stage yet. That's fact!
I like how you took my comment out of context btw.
...and there are now 8 peoplein Australia that think Green won!
Not content to simply make light of two people's opinions you feel you have to mock their achievements as well.
If the opinions of the 13th ranked welterweight in the world and a guy who did us proud at the Olympics count for nothing what makes your opinion count for anything?
You are surely kidding? So, because Horn has achieved some good things in his career, his opinion carries more weight?
Than you. Absolutely, and you trying to discredit him just because he disagrees with you is tall poppy syndrome at its most blatant
DA GOOSE wrote:
Im not I don't care but Mundine does ( as illustrated by him crying at the end of the fight ) it obviously hurts him to have L on his record he feels he shouldn't so if the fight is ruled a NC the result is changed.
You felt Green won the fight and yet you are sympathetic to the idea of Mundine overturning the result? Makes no sense.
No Im not you said ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?'' and I answered it.
You claim I said : ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?''
Show me where I said "why does Mundine care". Or is it just a case of you attempting to put words in people's mouths yet again?
What I want to know is why YOU cared about Mundine attempting to overturn the result when YOU scored the fight for Green. Why aren't you strong enough to stand by your own assessment of who won the fight?
DA GOOSE wrote:
The refereeing and scoring in this fight was abysmal.
The judges had the same guy winning the fight as you did - Green.
You scored the fight to Green by 1 point.
The judge who scored it a draw had it only 1 point different to you.
The judge who had it to Green by 2 points had it only 1 point different to you.
The other judge had it wide. By came up with the same winner as you - Greem.
Under the circumstances you are hardly in any position to point the finger at the judges.
I watched a poor copy on you-tube. A judge scores a 10-10 round where a point was deducted and the referee fails to say break or stop punching resulting in a controversial punch and you think that's good.
Like a Boss wrote:
You felt Green won the fight and yet you are sympathetic to the idea of Mundine overturning the result? Makes no sense.
No Im not you said ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?'' and I answered it.
You claim I said : ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?''
Show me where I said "why does Mundine care". Or is it just a case of you attempting to put words in people's mouths yet again?
What I want to know is why YOU cared about Mundine attempting to overturn the result when YOU scored the fight for Green. Why aren't you strong enough to stand by your own assessment of who won the fight?
I couldn't care less but if Mundine feels wronged he has every right to try and overturn the result.
DA GOOSE wrote:
No Im not you said ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?'' and I answered it.
You claim I said : ''both fighters are retired now so there won't be a rematch so why does Mundine care?''
Show me where I said "why does Mundine care". Or is it just a case of you attempting to put words in people's mouths yet again?
What I want to know is why YOU cared about Mundine attempting to overturn the result when YOU scored the fight for Green. Why aren't you strong enough to stand by your own assessment of who won the fight?
I couldn't care less but if Mundine feels wronged he has every right to try and overturn the result.
Why are you so reluctant to post why you thought Green won the fight and just as reluctant to stand by that opinion?
bogan whisperer wrote:
Not content to simply make light of two people's opinions you feel you have to mock their achievements as well.
If the opinions of the 13th ranked welterweight in the world and a guy who did us proud at the Olympics count for nothing what makes your opinion count for anything?
You are surely kidding? So, because Horn has achieved some good things in his career, his opinion carries more weight?
Than you. Absolutely, and you trying to discredit him just because he disagrees with you is tall poppy syndrome at its most blatant
I'm simply talking reality. If you think that Horn's opinion means more simply because of who he is, then may i remind you that this is a guy that will also tell people he can beat Pacquiao... Yet hasn't fought any welterweight in the top 40 world wide. Thus meaning his opinion might carry weight with you and the other 6 people that think the same... but not me.
Lairdy wrote:
You are surely kidding? So, because Horn has achieved some good things in his career, his opinion carries more weight?
Than you. Absolutely, and you trying to discredit him just because he disagrees with you is tall poppy syndrome at its most blatant
I'm simply talking reality. If you think that Horn's opinion means more simply because of who he is, then may i remind you that this is a guy that will also tell people he can beat Pacquiao... Yet hasn't fought any welterweight in the top 40 world wide. Thus meaning his opinion might carry weight with you and the other 6 people that think the same... but not me.
Horn is fighting Pacquiao. What good would it do anybody if he started going around saying he didn't think he could win?
bogan whisperer wrote:
Than you. Absolutely, and you trying to discredit him just because he disagrees with you is tall poppy syndrome at its most blatant
I'm simply talking reality. If you think that Horn's opinion means more simply because of who he is, then may i remind you that this is a guy that will also tell people he can beat Pacquiao... Yet hasn't fought any welterweight in the top 40 world wide. Thus meaning his opinion might carry weight with you and the other 6 people that think the same... but not me.
Horn is fighting Pacquiao. What good would it do anybody if he started going around saying he didn't think he could win?
Your nativity is astonishing.
There's nothing wrong with thinking you can beat anyone. I personally never went into a fight thinking i couldn't win. It's a fighters mentallity. You probably wouldn't know. But i was always matched with guys that were around my level.
In reality, Horn shouldn't be fighting someone like Pacquiao for at least 2 years. And if he's NOT just fighting Pacquiao to say that he fought an all time great, he is going to get proven wrong in a bad way.
Lairdy wrote:
I'm simply talking reality. If you think that Horn's opinion means more simply because of who he is, then may i remind you that this is a guy that will also tell people he can beat Pacquiao... Yet hasn't fought any welterweight in the top 40 world wide. Thus meaning his opinion might carry weight with you and the other 6 people that think the same... but not me.
Horn is fighting Pacquiao. What good would it do anybody if he started going around saying he didn't think he could win?
Your nativity is astonishing.
There's nothing wrong with thinking you can beat anyone. I personally never went into a fight thinking i couldn't win. It's a fighters mentallity. You probably wouldn't know. But i was always matched with guys that were around my level.
In reality, Horn shouldn't be fighting someone like Pacquiao for at least 2 years. And if he's NOT just fighting Pacquiao to say that he fought an all time great, he is going to get proven wrong in a bad way.
It is a fighters mentality to believe he can win any fight he gets matched in. Once he stops believing that he is done, and as soon as he starts saying that nobody pays to watch the fight anyway.
The surefire way to ensure nobody pays for Horn vs Pacquiao is for Horn to start telling the media he doesn't think he can win
bogan whisperer wrote:
Horn is fighting Pacquiao. What good would it do anybody if he started going around saying he didn't think he could win?
Your nativity is astonishing.
There's nothing wrong with thinking you can beat anyone. I personally never went into a fight thinking i couldn't win. It's a fighters mentallity. You probably wouldn't know. But i was always matched with guys that were around my level.
In reality, Horn shouldn't be fighting someone like Pacquiao for at least 2 years. And if he's NOT just fighting Pacquiao to say that he fought an all time great, he is going to get proven wrong in a bad way.
It is a fighters mentality to believe he can win any fight he gets matched in. Once he stops believing that he is done, and as soon as he starts saying that nobody pays to watch the fight anyway.
The surefire way to ensure nobody pays for Horn vs Pacquiao is for Horn to start telling the media he doesn't think he can win
Of course he has to talk it up. Even then, i think he's more in it to say he fought Pacquiao, rather than legitimately thinking he can win. If he can last 6 rounds, he's done himself well.
We seem to have gone off your line of thought but. The one where Horn's opinion of the Green vs Mundine fight means more because he's "Jeff Horn"...
HE'S A LEGEND
