Round-By-Round - Billy Joe Saunders (c) vs. Willie Monroe jr - September 16th 2017

[samwbr]

The weigh-in is on the BBC main site. A 7 year old kid was naughty, nobody was hurt but some of you have really got your knickers in a twist.
On the same day ISIS bombed a London train. Perhaps some of you need to get a grip.

That is just daft whatabouttery

[Tomasino]

Don't confuse Irish travellers with Romany either

The Irish are mainly the ones pulling up and down these days. Some leave a mess, others leave the bit of ground spotless.

English do shift, but mainly for fairs and Christian conventions these days, most English have bought and live on bits of ground or yards and are settled .

Another funny argument is how can you be a traveller if you don't actually travel . That's a stupid thing to say because being a gypsy is in the blood . If one of you suddenly sold your houses and start pulling about in a trailer it wouldlnt make you a gypsy man, just someone who moves about in a trailer . Same as being settled doesn't make a travelling man any less a traveller

Ive never seen them clean up the grounds they use near me. Never. I've never heard of it either. My mums sister married into a largely settled traveller family. I love them like my own blood but if they came up to my house and shat all over my land I'd fornicate them off. They don't though, they stay in the guest room like everyone else.

[Sklar]

The weigh-in is on the BBC main site. A 7 year old kid was naughty, nobody was hurt but some of you have really got your knickers in a twist.
On the same day ISIS bombed a London train. Perhaps some of you need to get a grip.

You're the one who needs to get a grip, you're comparing apples with oranges and don't realise.

[TheCobra]

I know there is good and bad in every culture but I think the typical reaction to travellers moving into town is usually a bad one. I used to live near a fairground that they would pitch up at every year and there was always loads of bother; stuff going missing, break ins, aggro in pubs. Where I live now there are various sites they move around but it always seems to be the same story; pull up onto playing fields/football pitches (rendering them useless for a few weeks), and when they finally leave the place is covered in rubbish and human waste.

Feel sorry for the kids as it looks a rubbish way to live. Education seems a passing thought and they seem to stop going when they're still kids themselves. No wonder such a high percentage end up inside.

Ah well, glad others feel the same about that whole lifestyle and the crime that goes with it plus the mess it leaves for others to deal with. My point is prejudice doesn't come from nothing, people build up prejudice from their own life experiences over a long period of time.

[bigjack]

The weigh-in is on the BBC main site. A 7 year old kid was naughty, nobody was hurt but some of you have really got your knickers in a twist.
On the same day ISIS bombed a London train. Perhaps some of you need to get a grip.

You're the one who needs to get a grip, you're comparing apples with oranges and don't realise.

Don't agree,Saunders had his lad on the stage deliberately to do that,not just a case of a child being a bit naughty,Munroe reacted like a true gent and laughed it off as you could hear the little brat swearing as he was escorted off

[Oiky]

Don't confuse Irish travellers with Romany either

The Irish are mainly the ones pulling up and down these days. Some leave a mess, others leave the bit of ground spotless.

English do shift, but mainly for fairs and Christian conventions these days, most English have bought and live on bits of ground or yards and are settled .

Another funny argument is how can you be a traveller if you don't actually travel . That's a stupid thing to say because being a gypsy is in the blood . If one of you suddenly sold your houses and start pulling about in a trailer it wouldlnt make you a gypsy man, just someone who moves about in a trailer . Same as being settled doesn't make a travelling man any less a traveller

Ive never seen them clean up the grounds they use near me. Never. I've never heard of it either. My mums sister married into a largely settled traveller family. I love them like my own blood but if they came up to my house and shat all over my land I'd eff them off. They don't though, they stay in the guest room like everyone else.

Places being left clean doesn't happen anywhere near as much as it should but it does happen, I've seen it 2 or 3 times this year

My family is well thought of we deal with all kinds of people, never been told we can't come around anymore by any metal yards, garages, builders yards, gyms

Me myself I have heaps of gorja friends, and I won't look for trouble but if someone is a bit saucy to me and all that there then I will give the same treatment back, I hate ignorant people and bullies whoever you are

I've seen a lot of old Romany and Irish folk do small acts of kindness that goes unnoticed that they don't brag about, feeding and clothing the poor one example,

[mickey1975]

Never met kinder people, to be honest. My mates mum won't let me leave until I've eaten, even if I don't want anything! And you can't sit down before you get a cup of tea and answer how everyone in your family is! All the Romany women I've known have been like that.

[mickey1975]

Don't confuse Irish travellers with Romany either

The Irish are mainly the ones pulling up and down these days. Some leave a mess, others leave the bit of ground spotless.

English do shift, but mainly for fairs and Christian conventions these days, most English have bought and live on bits of ground or yards and are settled .

Another funny argument is how can you be a traveller if you don't actually travel . That's a stupid thing to say because being a gypsy is in the blood . If one of you suddenly sold your houses and start pulling about in a trailer it wouldlnt make you a gypsy man, just someone who moves about in a trailer . Same as being settled doesn't make a travelling man any less a traveller

Ive never seen them clean up the grounds they use near me. Never. I've never heard of it either. My mums sister married into a largely settled traveller family. I love them like my own blood but if they came up to my house and shat all over my land I'd eff them off. They don't though, they stay in the guest room like everyone else.

Places being left clean doesn't happen anywhere near as much as it should but it does happen, I've seen it 2 or 3 times this year

My family is well thought of we deal with all kinds of people, never been told we can't come around anymore by any metal yards, garages, builders yards, gyms

Me myself I have heaps of gorja friends, and I won't look for trouble but if someone is a bit saucy to me and all that there then I will give the same treatment back, I hate ignorant people and bullies whoever you are

I've seen a lot of old Romany and Irish folk do small acts of kindness that goes unnoticed that they don't brag about, feeding and clothing the poor one example,

Without travelling boys, half of the boxing clubs wouldn't be here! They make up a huge % and are always respectful in every gym and every show. Some of the dads can get a bit out of hand after a few pints, like.

[chrisnew86]

Also, and like it or lump it this goes on a lot....

About 10 years a go I got talking to a bloke who was always drinking on a park bench near me. I was interested to know why he was down on his luck.

Turned out he was from Newcastle, nice guy who always spoke of his kids back up north ... So I asked him how he ended up down this neck of the woods.. he told me he took a " job " with a traveller family as a cleaner, he was told he would clean the caravans and get paid, travel around and also have free digs, going back home every few weeks . He trusted this family and as he was hard up he took the job.

Turns out after a few weeks, they took his bank cards from him so they could access any benefits that were paid into his account, relocated down near cheltenham so miles away from home and drip fed him a few quid a day , calling on him to do any dirty work they needed doing.

Bloke said he was happy at times but had death threats from them and was scared to go to the police. Telling him that he would be buried and they would move on if he tried to leave.
I wasn't sure what to make of it tbh but since then I have read all sorts of horror stories of people who have been turned into slaves by traveller family's .

Looking back maybe I should have done more to help but within a week or so I never saw him again, I'm guessing they left the area.

So again, not a positive story at all.
I know not all travellers are nasty people, of course they are not but any contact I have had has been 100% negative

[mickey1975]

Also, and like it or lump it this goes on a lot....

About 10 years a go I got talking to a bloke who was always drinking on a park bench near me. I was interested to know why he was down on his luck.

Turned out he was from Newcastle, nice guy who always spoke of his kids back up north ... So I asked him how he ended up down this neck of the woods.. he told me he took a " job " with a traveller family as a cleaner, he was told he would clean the caravans and get paid, travel around and also have free digs, going back home every few weeks . He trusted this family and as he was hard up he took the job.

Turns out after a few weeks, they took his bank cards from him so they could access any benefits that were paid into his account, relocated down near cheltenham so miles away from home and drip fed him a few quid a day , calling on him to do any dirty work they needed doing.

Bloke said he was happy at times but had death threats from them and was scared to go to the police. Telling him that he would be buried and they would move on if he tried to leave.
I wasn't sure what to make of it tbh but since then I have read all sorts of horror stories of people who have been turned into slaves by traveller family's .

Looking back maybe I should have done more to help but within a week or so I never saw him again, I'm guessing they left the area.

So again, not a positive story at all.
I know not all travellers are nasty people, of course they are not but any contact I have had has been 100% negative

They are called "workmen " and it does go on. Slave is a bit strong, like, but there are a lot of prosecutions going on at the minute.

[handsofstone]

I remember really liking Saunders at the 2008 Olympics, he was only 18 but I thought he came across really well, mature, level headed with world class talent and since he turned pro, his resume has been 1st class, beat the best that Britain/Commonwealth/Europe had to offer, took on some dangerous unbeaten fighters like Eubank Jr, O'Sullivan and Ryder then beat a very good world champ in Lee

But its only in the past 2 years or so ive seen this other side to him, impersonating police officers and making some poor guy strip naked, getting his son to hit people, I'm sure theres plenty more I don't know about, I now realise he's nothing more than a thug and a bully, i'd love nothing more than to see Monroe Jr spark him clean out

Its because of the behaviour of Saunders that Fury and Co get a terrible rep, ive heard nothing but nice things from people who have met Tyson, he comes across as a total dude and doesn't take life too seriously, I like Hughie as well, Martin Power on here always comes across as a total gent, Andy Lee is one of the nicest guys in boxing

In fact its probably only BJS who tarnishes the name of travellers as far as boxing is concerned, he's not a very nice guy and unfortunately he seems to be grooming his son to be a chip of the old block, BJS even tweeted after the incident that he's brought his kids up to hit anyone they don't know that touches them

[chrisnew86]

Ive never seen them clean up the grounds they use near me. Never. I've never heard of it either. My mums sister married into a largely settled traveller family. I love them like my own blood but if they came up to my house and shat all over my land I'd eff them off. They don't though, they stay in the guest room like everyone else.

Places being left clean doesn't happen anywhere near as much as it should but it does happen, I've seen it 2 or 3 times this year

My family is well thought of we deal with all kinds of people, never been told we can't come around anymore by any metal yards, garages, builders yards, gyms

Me myself I have heaps of gorja friends, and I won't look for trouble but if someone is a bit saucy to me and all that there then I will give the same treatment back, I hate ignorant people and bullies whoever you are

I've seen a lot of old Romany and Irish folk do small acts of kindness that goes unnoticed that they don't brag about, feeding and clothing the poor one example,

Without travelling boys, half of the boxing clubs wouldn't be here! They make up a huge % and are always respectful in every gym and every show. Some of the dads can get a bit out of hand after a few pints, like.

Every show?? I have seen groups of travellers at white collar shows causing aggro and being dicks.

Once a group of fellas were giving the poor ring announcer grief, only banter and he said " nice haircut did you do it yourself?" having a wind up back and they tried to set about him! Absolute ball bag bully's in my experience . All BJS types trying to get a reaction

I saw a little traveller kid in an under 10s match up, the kid got punched in the face ( full head gear obviously ) and was crying and the dad was having a go at him in the corner, telling him to go back out there or else, shouting so the whole hall could hear , I felt sorry for the boy. He must have been no older than 8

Once again I 100% respect the way they want to live , there is enough room for us all but they are just a nonsense in my experience

[chrisnew86]

Also, and like it or lump it this goes on a lot....

About 10 years a go I got talking to a bloke who was always drinking on a park bench near me. I was interested to know why he was down on his luck.

Turned out he was from Newcastle, nice guy who always spoke of his kids back up north ... So I asked him how he ended up down this neck of the woods.. he told me he took a " job " with a traveller family as a cleaner, he was told he would clean the caravans and get paid, travel around and also have free digs, going back home every few weeks . He trusted this family and as he was hard up he took the job.

Turns out after a few weeks, they took his bank cards from him so they could access any benefits that were paid into his account, relocated down near cheltenham so miles away from home and drip fed him a few quid a day , calling on him to do any dirty work they needed doing.

Bloke said he was happy at times but had death threats from them and was scared to go to the police. Telling him that he would be buried and they would move on if he tried to leave.
I wasn't sure what to make of it tbh but since then I have read all sorts of horror stories of people who have been turned into slaves by traveller family's .

Looking back maybe I should have done more to help but within a week or so I never saw him again, I'm guessing they left the area.

So again, not a positive story at all.
I know not all travellers are nasty people, of course they are not but any contact I have had has been 100% negative

They are called "workmen " and it does go on. Slave is a bit strong, like, but there are a lot of prosecutions going on at the minute.

You say slave is a bit strong but they took all the fellas cards and ID and were keeping him working for them for a few quid a day and a few tins of beer, I would say thats modern day slavery . Telling him he couldn't leave or they would bury his ass

[mickey1975]

Also, and like it or lump it this goes on a lot....

About 10 years a go I got talking to a bloke who was always drinking on a park bench near me. I was interested to know why he was down on his luck.

Turned out he was from Newcastle, nice guy who always spoke of his kids back up north ... So I asked him how he ended up down this neck of the woods.. he told me he took a " job " with a traveller family as a cleaner, he was told he would clean the caravans and get paid, travel around and also have free digs, going back home every few weeks . He trusted this family and as he was hard up he took the job.

Turns out after a few weeks, they took his bank cards from him so they could access any benefits that were paid into his account, relocated down near cheltenham so miles away from home and drip fed him a few quid a day , calling on him to do any dirty work they needed doing.

Bloke said he was happy at times but had death threats from them and was scared to go to the police. Telling him that he would be buried and they would move on if he tried to leave.
I wasn't sure what to make of it tbh but since then I have read all sorts of horror stories of people who have been turned into slaves by traveller family's .

Looking back maybe I should have done more to help but within a week or so I never saw him again, I'm guessing they left the area.

So again, not a positive story at all.
I know not all travellers are nasty people, of course they are not but any contact I have had has been 100% negative

They are called "workmen " and it does go on. Slave is a bit strong, like, but there are a lot of prosecutions going on at the minute.

You say slave is a bit strong but they took all the fellas cards and ID and were keeping him working for them for a few quid a day and a few tins of beer, I would say thats modern day slavery . Telling him he couldn't leave or they would bury his ass

That's an extreme case. An average workman would get paid, just below the going rate. And do most of the work.

[mickey1975]

Places being left clean doesn't happen anywhere near as much as it should but it does happen, I've seen it 2 or 3 times this year

My family is well thought of we deal with all kinds of people, never been told we can't come around anymore by any metal yards, garages, builders yards, gyms

Me myself I have heaps of gorja friends, and I won't look for trouble but if someone is a bit saucy to me and all that there then I will give the same treatment back, I hate ignorant people and bullies whoever you are

I've seen a lot of old Romany and Irish folk do small acts of kindness that goes unnoticed that they don't brag about, feeding and clothing the poor one example,

Without travelling boys, half of the boxing clubs wouldn't be here! They make up a huge % and are always respectful in every gym and every show. Some of the dads can get a bit out of hand after a few pints, like.

Every show?? I have seen groups of travellers at white collar shows causing aggro and being dicks.

Once a group of fellas were giving the poor ring announcer grief, only banter and he said " nice haircut did you do it yourself?" having a wind up back and they tried to set about him! Absolute ball bag bully's in my experience . All BJS types trying to get a reaction

I saw a little traveller kid in an under 10s match up, the kid got punched in the face ( full head gear obviously ) and was crying and the dad was having a go at him in the corner, telling him to go back out there or else, shouting so the whole hall could hear , I felt sorry for the boy. He must have been no older than 8

Once again I 100% respect the way they want to live , there is enough room for us all but they are just a nonsense in my experience

Shouldn't be in the ring at that age, White collar is different. By far the two best juniors in the uk are travellers and have big followings. Never seen them carry on.

[chrisnew86]

They are called "workmen " and it does go on. Slave is a bit strong, like, but there are a lot of prosecutions going on at the minute.

You say slave is a bit strong but they took all the fellas cards and ID and were keeping him working for them for a few quid a day and a few tins of beer, I would say thats modern day slavery . Telling him he couldn't leave or they would bury his ass

That's an extreme case. An average workman would get paid, just below the going rate. And do most of the work.

In all fairness the bloke could have been talking out of his rear end for all I know

[mickey1975]

You say slave is a bit strong but they took all the fellas cards and ID and were keeping him working for them for a few quid a day and a few tins of beer, I would say thats modern day slavery . Telling him he couldn't leave or they would bury his ass

That's an extreme case. An average workman would get paid, just below the going rate. And do most of the work.

In all fairness the bloke could have been talking out of his rear end for all I know

It does happen.

[keithmoonhangover]

I know plenty of gypsies and as will people in every walk of life, they are a mixed bag. Some of them are great people, who would help you with anything, great sense of humor, great craic. There are others that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. I had some stuff nicked a while back by some local gypsies, I made one phone call to a fellow traveler and everything was returned the next day. Good and bad everywhere.

What happened at the weigh in was out of order. BJS should have apologized and it would have gone away. The kid was out of order, but he's a child and some of the comments on here towards the him are disgraceful. Who didn't make a mistake when they were a child?

[samwbr]

A big trial just finished here,he people involved are absolute scum and should have got longer terms

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... led-people

There has been more and more similar cases coming to court. Utter filth.

[keithmoonhangover]

That's an extreme case. An average workman would get paid, just below the going rate. And do most of the work.

In all fairness the bloke could have been talking out of his rear end for all I know

It does happen.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... h-11156190

The headline is 'Millionaire gypsy gang who got rich on slavery ring jailed for 79 years'. It's the same bulsh1t journalism as 'Muslilm child sex ring'. When was the last time you read a headline that said, 'Atheist child sex ring'? What the fook has someone's religion or the fact that they come from the travelling community have to do it? Nowt.

[dirk2686]

Question regarding 'there's bad in every culture.'

There is, but why are travellers so over-represented in terms of criminality?

5% of prisoners in England and Wales consider themselves to be Gypsy, Romany or Traveller: the same proportion of the prison estate made up by women prisoners. Given that only 0.1% of respondents to the 2011 census in England and Wales identified themselves as "Gypsy or Irish Traveller", this is a huge over-representation.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -education

[Andrew]

Wow Munroe doesn't hold back here

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lPJqweVXaLKb

[coneye]

Don't confuse Irish travellers with Romany either

The Irish are mainly the ones pulling up and down these days. Some leave a mess, others leave the bit of ground spotless.

English do shift, but mainly for fairs and Christian conventions these days, most English have bought and live on bits of ground or yards and are settled .

Another funny argument is how can you be a traveller if you don't actually travel . That's a stupid thing to say because being a gypsy is in the blood . If one of you suddenly sold your houses and start pulling about in a trailer it wouldlnt make you a gypsy man, just someone who moves about in a trailer . Same as being settled doesn't make a travelling man any less a traveller

My parents before they died , they sold there house and spent 30 odd years travelling around living in a caravan ,, they were not gypsys , but i'd say they were more of travellers than most travellers .. They absolutly loved the lifestyle . personaly i could'nt do it

[Sklar]

In all fairness the bloke could have been talking out of his rear end for all I know

It does happen.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... h-11156190

The headline is 'Millionaire gypsy gang who got rich on slavery ring jailed for 79 years'. It's the same bulsh1t journalism as 'Muslilm child sex ring'. When was the last time you read a headline that said, 'Atheist child sex ring'? What the fook has someone's religion or the fact that they come from the travelling community have to do it? Nowt.

Lots. If there's a pattern of offending it should be reported. Makes it more likely that similar offenders are caught up with sooner.

[keithmoonhangover]

It does happen.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-wo ... h-11156190

The headline is 'Millionaire gypsy gang who got rich on slavery ring jailed for 79 years'. It's the same bulsh1t journalism as 'Muslilm child sex ring'. When was the last time you read a headline that said, 'Atheist child sex ring'? What the fook has someone's religion or the fact that they come from the travelling community have to do it? Nowt.

Lots. If there's a pattern of offending it should be reported. Makes it more likely that similar offenders are caught up with sooner.

If that was the case, then we'd see headlines with the word Christian, White and Atheist in them. We don't of course.

When is a terrorist not a terrorist? When he's not a Muslim.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-c ... ille-rally

Not a single mention.