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boxing_rocks wrote:It may be an eye opening for you, but VADA is actually a group of humans. Humans can be bribed, blackmailed, influenced or be just helping a friend. You don't think that Haymon can have some kind of relationship with somebody from VADA? Is it totally impossible? How many top Haymon fighters got caught by VADA?

Ortiz just has been.

BitPlayer wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Even if Ortiz would've been on herbs and roots regime, Wilder's personal doctor would've found some strange substance in Ortiz's system and call it a 'masking agent'. Wilder would do anything to go on that bum feasting regime.

Yeah bro, potatoes are full of diuretics.

If Ortiz would've eaten only potatoes, his system would be full of potassium and pantothenic acid which could be detected as serious masking agents.

apollo creed wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Even if Ortiz would've been on herbs and roots regime, Wilder's personal doctor would've found some strange substance in Ortiz's system and call it a 'masking agent'. Wilder would do anything to go on that bum feasting regime.

Yeah bro, potatoes are full of diuretics.

If Ortiz would've eaten only potatoes, his system would be full of potassium and pantothenic acid which could be detected as serious masking agents.

Utter bullplop.

apollo creed wrote:Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

diddy wrote:The insinuation that a fighter is in bed with VADA is laughable to the highest extreme. Do you dopes even think before you type? Do you think VADA seriously gives an F about DEONTAY WILDER?!

How bout this for a thought? People with a history of cheating are:

1) more likely to be caught when VADA is involved because their testing is of a higher standard

2) more likely to cheat during the camp against a legitimate opponent.

Why do you people think the new presence of USADA + a fight date with Daniel Cormier caused Jon Jones to pop twice?

This isn’t rocket science.

In case you didn't realise, Ortiz went out of his own move to VADhA, he's doing it for years and years now, never had a problem and now he's supposed to fight Wilder, it's a problem all of a sudden.

lazboy wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

lazboy wrote:If Ortiz is innocent he should stroll down to his local GP and get a secondary blood and urine test. Pretty simple. There’s other organisation other than VADA that complete these types of tests. It’s not uncommon to get a second opinion. Or did wilder sneak peds into his beans on toast?

It's already said that he had the substances on doctors describtion...

Oh ok, so he was prescribed the diuretics for blood pressure was he? Are there alternative drugs for blood pressure that his doctor could have prescribed that weren’t on the banned list. Do you think this is his doctors fault?

Even Wilder his car is full of drugs, even when he's not scheduled for a fight, is that Wilder his doctor, or his friends their fault?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Oh, Mansour just randomly predicted it correct beforehand as well?

A real battle of wits going on here

I agree. It's a silly argument.

I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

There are no lies, but when you receive the evidence you simply continue to act like you didn't. Ofcourse I could say Stiverne is and has always been a clean fighter as well and if you proof he isn't I can continue to ask for evidence and continue to act like you can't proof it, but that's just silly, not my style, I'll always try to continue to do the good thing.

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

x2x wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

Cowardice? Lmao, you're going all out bitch.

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

Same here, Gilgamesh.

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

I was sarcastic. Of course Wilder is very protected from any big risk. At the end of the day he's an investment and a big hope to bring some good money. I'd like to see Wilder tested by WADA to see if he's 100% clean.

asdfjkl wrote:

diddy wrote:The insinuation that a fighter is in bed with VADA is laughable to the highest extreme. Do you dopes even think before you type? Do you think VADA seriously gives an F about DEONTAY WILDER?!

How bout this for a thought? People with a history of cheating are:

1) more likely to be caught when VADA is involved because their testing is of a higher standard

2) more likely to cheat during the camp against a legitimate opponent.

Why do you people think the new presence of USADA + a fight date with Daniel Cormier caused Jon Jones to pop twice?

This isn’t rocket science.

In case you didn't realise, Ortiz went out of his own move to VADhA, he's doing it for years and years now, never had a problem and now he's supposed to fight Wilder, it's a problem all of a sudden.

It's all a scam to attract the people on Wilder's side, saying he wanted to take the best challenges but all those guys were cheating and were roided to the gills. Put Wilder to take a serious WADA anti-doping olympic style test.

x2x wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:

apollo creed wrote:Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

Wilder wouldn't have fought Povetkin or Ortiz even if these guys had 1 hand.

WADA olympic style drug testing!

apollo creed wrote:

x2x wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

Wilder wouldn't have fought Povetkin or Ortiz even if these guys had 1 hand.

I know he had no intention of fighting Povetkin because he never even went to Russia even right before the fight.

gilgamesh wrote:

x2x wrote:

montrealsuper wrote: How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I don't think it will happen. Wilder is having wet dreams with Charles Martin and Amir Mansur fighting him.

haha op, i think Graham Young is working on the bombers team

x2x wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

x2x wrote:

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

Wilder wouldn't have fought Povetkin or Ortiz even if these guys had 1 hand.

I know he had no intention of fighting Povetkin because he never even went to Russia even right before the fight.

yeah he went on a trip in UK, nothing more.

apollo creed wrote: ...Put Wilder to take a serious WADA anti-doping olympic style test.

..it's beyond me how can anyone dislike Wilder so much!

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
A real battle of wits going on here

I agree. It's a silly argument.

I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

There are no lies, but when you receive the evidence you simply continue to act like you didn't. Ofcourse I could say Stiverne is and has always been a clean fighter as well and if you proof he isn't I can continue to ask for evidence and continue to act like you can't proof it, but that's just silly, not my style, I'll always try to continue to do the good thing.

You lie. You provided no evidence. You may "pretend" that something occurred, but it didn't!

FFS! Stop lying!

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I agree. It's a silly argument.

I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

There are no lies, but when you receive the evidence you simply continue to act like you didn't. Ofcourse I could say Stiverne is and has always been a clean fighter as well and if you proof he isn't I can continue to ask for evidence and continue to act like you can't proof it, but that's just silly, not my style, I'll always try to continue to do the good thing.

You lie. You provided no evidence. You may "pretend" that something occurred, but it didn't!

FFS! Stop lying!

Calm down FUGMO.

Ah well, if Wilder fights him anyway, in a fair way, I happily take my words back and support him. I'm still convinced Ortiz is innocent anyway, it's not like he does anything wrong, like having a car full of drugs that for some odd reason doesn't get detected by WADA or VADA.

But if Wilder ducks him anyway...

Situation 1 - Guy get's caught using PEDs
Boxrec reaction: He's an idiot. He's a cheat. Blah, blah, blah ...
Check almost every thread about known PED users. Someone always mentions it.

Situation 2 - Wilder opponent caught using PEDs
Boxrec reaction: Mafia Don Haymon (who lost ESPN, can't solidify anything for the PBC),
is somehow manipulating several drug tests (internationally) to protect the SUPERSTAR Deontay WIlder.

Wilder is ALL Haymon has left. Everything comes down to Wilder. Spence Thurman Garcia Stevenson don't sell anything and there's no way for them to suddenly explode into De La Hoya or Leonard level stars. So it all comes down to Wilder for Haymon. We know Haymon rigged Travis Tygart at USADA to do his bidding in the past. And we know Haymon can MANIPULATE ANYTHING. Ortiz is a pawn. He will do what is told or he can be set up for a trace sample or a planted trace sample. Cuban pawns at age 40 can be abused like a hoe by the pimp.

Al Haymon is capable of ANYTHING. He is corrupt and desperate. That is a dangerous ugly combination.

"Al Haymon can manipulate anything. What Al Haymon wants Al Haymon gets." -- Paulie Malignaggi