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Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:07**

Wouldn't call it a robbery.. it was a close fight.. certainly not a clear win.. but it's wasn't the best of fights either..

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:08**

Jackson328 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:04
Oiky wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 19:50 F*ck this sport when you get jank cards like this

No way did smith win that, you can not even make a case for him winning it

Even a divvy man can see that surely?

Fix and robbery 100%

Poxy things like this ruin the best sport on the planet
Think thats way ott mate, I really was rooting for Williams and I don't care much for the Smiths at all but I thought it was a close but clear win for Smith 115-113 sits ok with me but have to admit I didn't actually score it, just felt that Smith was mostly in control and that Williams was always chasing it

Yea can't make a case for smith winning is ott

but in my opinion Williams definitely won

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:08**

Jackson328 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:06
milpool wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 19:31 Lockett telling Williams he's behind. Maybe I need to reassess how I score fights...
I'm sure he told him at the end of the 9th he needed to win the last 3 rounds, if Lockett could see it then surely others can

Maybe motivation?

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:09**

Smith was very tight, very disciplined and in control most of the way through. Williams just not intense enough to put pressure on Smith, and he wasn't capable of doing it anyway. Smith controlled most of the fight by using his jab and making him miss and countering. It was a good performance and a step up from the April performance, where you could say he was overweight and carried a wee bit of luck.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:26**

Watched this for an old over zealous boxrec mod in a pub with no sound and both of us had Williams comfortably.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:26**

Jackson328 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:06
milpool wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 19:31 Lockett telling Williams he's behind. Maybe I need to reassess how I score fights...
I'm sure he told him at the end of the 9th he needed to win the last 3 rounds, if Lockett could see it then surely others can

The commentary was certainly favouring Smith, there is no doubt about that. When they were saying that he was up by a couple of rounds I thought they were talking shite. So when Lockett told Williams he was down, I seriously wondered if I'd got it all wrong...but I honestly didn't think I had.
I predicted a Smith points win beforehand so I have no agenda but I honestly couldn't see how he won it so comfortably.

I gave Williams the first five rounds as Smith was very slow to start. Admittedly a couple of the early rounds were very close, I had it 115-113 Williams, so if I give Smith a close first round, it suddenly becomes a draw, fair enough. But there's no way it was as wide as two of the judges scored it.
Maybe I'll watch it again...I remember watching Pacquiao/Bradley 1 for a second time and scored it a lot closer than I did live.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:29**

Oiky wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:08
Jackson328 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:04
Oiky wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 19:50 F*ck this sport when you get jank cards like this

No way did smith win that, you can not even make a case for him winning it

Even a divvy man can see that surely?

Fix and robbery 100%

Poxy things like this ruin the best sport on the planet
Think thats way ott mate, I really was rooting for Williams and I don't care much for the Smiths at all but I thought it was a close but clear win for Smith 115-113 sits ok with me but have to admit I didn't actually score it, just felt that Smith was mostly in control and that Williams was always chasing it
Yea can't make a case for smith winning is ott but in my opinion Williams definitely won

I was talking about your other comments ffs, "fix and robbery" erm not really, even Williams corner knew he was losing!

"ruins the best sport" etc etc everyone else who disagrees is "a divvy"

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:08
Jackson328 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:06
milpool wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 19:31 Lockett telling Williams he's behind. Maybe I need to reassess how I score fights...
I'm sure he told him at the end of the 9th he needed to win the last 3 rounds, if Lockett could see it then surely others can
Maybe motivation?

Not for me, if Lockett thought that could motivate his fighter it is simply awful cornerman advice. Tell him he needs to win this next round by all means but saying he needs to win all 3 is panic mode imo and he knew his man was trailing on the cards. I honestly think people are swayed by their hatred for the Smiths, I can understand it as they're not the nicest people seemingly but to call that decision a robbery or corrupt is just crazy. I live in Wales, my family are all Welsh and I really wanted Williams to win tonight as I am convinced Smith deliberately butted him last time but I can't see how Williams deserved the nod.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:31**

milpool wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:26

The commentary was certainly favouring Smith, there is no doubt about that. When they were saying that he was up by a couple of rounds I thought they were talking shite. So when Lockett told Williams he was down, I seriously wondered if I'd got it all wrong...but I honestly didn't think I had.
I predicted a Smith points win beforehand so I have no agenda but I honestly couldn't see how he won it so comfortably.

I gave Williams the first five rounds as Smith was very slow to start. Admittedly a couple of the early rounds were very close, I had it 115-113 Williams, so if I give Smith a close first round, it suddenly becomes a draw, fair enough. But there's no way it was as wide as two of the judges scored it.
Maybe I'll watch it again...I remember watching Pacquiao/Bradley 1 for a second time and scored it a lot closer than I did live.

Would you really watch it again? It kinda hurt my head..

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:32**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:31
milpool wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 20:26

The commentary was certainly favouring Smith, there is no doubt about that. When they were saying that he was up by a couple of rounds I thought they were talking shite. So when Lockett told Williams he was down, I seriously wondered if I'd got it all wrong...but I honestly didn't think I had.
I predicted a Smith points win beforehand so I have no agenda but I honestly couldn't see how he won it so comfortably.

I gave Williams the first five rounds as Smith was very slow to start. Admittedly a couple of the early rounds were very close, I had it 115-113 Williams, so if I give Smith a close first round, it suddenly becomes a draw, fair enough. But there's no way it was as wide as two of the judges scored it.
Maybe I'll watch it again...I remember watching Pacquiao/Bradley 1 for a second time and scored it a lot closer than I did live.
Would you really watch it again? It kinda hurt my head..

Well if I do it'll be with the sound down!

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:38**

is it not common for corners to use 'your losing!' as a motivation tactic. i mean maybe lockett really thought smith deserved to be ahead but him simply telling williams he needed the last 3 doesnt make it so clear if he really bdlieved his man deserved to be losing.

i thought it was really close. no complaint either way for me but just strange how ppl seem to be split into thinking 1 guy or the other won clear. didnt think either put it beyond doubt tbh. i wasnt cheering for either but i did pick smith.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 20:42**

Will definitely watch again in the morning because I am so amazed at the outrage at what I thought was an inevitable decision, yes one card was far too wide as usual but when so many good posters call it the opposite way it makes me wonder what we were all watching.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 22:23**

Wanted Smith to win and had money on him but watching in the pub with no sound I felt like Williams edged it. Seemed like both were hitting gloves a fair bit but Williams seemed a bit more active to me. Wasn't the best fight but I'll probably watch it back and score it RBR when it's on YouTube.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 23:19**

Williams could definitely have done more and should have. But he won that fight for me and got robbed in the first one.

It's getting harder and harder to follow boxing these days.

It's becoming a shock to have proper scorecards.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 23:20**

These days it's more shocking to have a proper scorecard than to have a terrible one.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 23:21**

I thought Smith won by two or three rounds, I got frustrated with Williams. If he landed or even just thrown a flashy combo in a few of the rounds, he would have won.

Posted: **11 Nov 2017, 23:22**

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 23:20 These days it's more shocking to have a proper scorecard than to have a terrible one.

Amen to that brother.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 03:05**

Was the fight any good?

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 03:16**

it was so so. not awful but i wouldnt recommend it to anyone aside from if i wanted to show them a fight where opinion was split to get their view. both guys struggled to land anything of note.no real drama.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 03:29**

Autobarn wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 03:05 Was the fight any good?

No. Boring 12 rounds but Smith did just about enough to get the win.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 04:24**

Fight was close in the end as Smith picked it up, but I already had Williams winning 7 of the first 9 or 10, so can only see one winner.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 05:29**

Wide cards in close fights are an inevitability due to the scoring system, which is essentially saying 'score 12 three minute fights and see who won the most.' It always amuses me when people say things like 'you could score the first six either way but the cards were too wide.' By definition that means you could give the first six to one fighter?

An example is the Joshua Wlad fight. After four rounds it felt close, yet Joshua landed more and threw more in each of the first four. If you scored fights as a percentage you might say he was up but probably only 55-45/60-40, not 100-0. But you don't score fights that way.

For what it's worth I really wanted Williams to win and thought he clearly lost.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 05:38**

Seemed no urgency from Williams and no urgency from his corner either: before the last round saying be careful, rather than make sure you win it !

Lockett might be a great trainer, but he ain’t a great cornerman - probably lost him the first fight too

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 06:39**

lockett as a trainer seems like the guy who would smile and hold his wifes hand as she was in bed cheating with another man (this is just a comparison not saying it happens)

almost too laid back though he did say to win the last 3

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 07:07**

Williams had the fight won by the winning the first half of the fight. I had Williams by 4 with the pro smith commentary.

Posted: **12 Nov 2017, 07:43**

Coco wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 07:07 Williams had the fight won by the winning the first half of the fight. I had Williams by 4 with the pro smith commentary.

It was just awful. Was thinking of muting. But i dont know why i never

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