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Coco wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 19:11 Hopefully this wasn't enough to ruin Teds career, he needs to go down to inter continental level to get some confidence and experience before looking to move up again.
It will be interesting to see how good Garcia is, he was brought in as he had a good record but had only beat journeymen and a few other guys with protected records. Is Cheesmen well overrated or is the Spaniard the real deal?

Think its a bit of both , i liked the spaniard , liked how he moved , mixed his punches up and above all nulified Cheesman getting his distace , and punches off , like i said in another post Cheseman landed very few left hooks correctly , most were just clubbing punches with the inside of the wrist Garcia took him to another level and shown he was really a bit overated , but at elite world level , 'i'm not sure Garcia woud cut the mustard , he boxes well , but lets have it right the elite would of ko'd cheeseman when he stook his head out and invited a punch ala Rocky Balboa .

Think it was Cheesman being pushed a bit to far a bit to soon , because Eddie desperatly needs to build up a star or two , , so now its , Fook off Cheesman , NEXT , , .

Grcia well he's better than people thought , but he did'nt do a number on a top fighter ,,, so a bit of both

I wish the world of boxing would call out the judges that score a fight like that 115-114.

It should not happen at this level. He should have his judges license revoked, and be sent on a rehabilitation programme for corrupt judges.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 20:01 I wish the world of boxing would call out the judges that score a fight like that 115-114.

It should not happen at this level. He should have his judges license revoked, and be sent on a rehabilitation programme for corrupt judges.

brilo33 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 19:32

handsofstone wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 19:25 European champions from mainland Europe are always a bit if a mystery, outwith maybe Germany and Russia, the rest of the European domestic scene is pretty low level, Spanish, Italian and French champs for instance are generally poorer than British champs so when I see a European champ winning a vacant title I'm not always convinced their European class although in all fairness you can say the same if a Brit wins a vacant Euro belt

Garcia looks the goods though but Cheeseman showed next to no skill in there

yea forgetting how tough it is to win a eupean title, quite a few falling short recently ,Skeete , eggington, ritson brains to mashed to remember any more

Eggington won the european he knocked out the champ in Birmingham to win it?

The issue is that Eddie is coming under pressure to perform and I have noticed some heat coming from Adam Smith towards Matchroom. Still friendly but the first signs of pressure for them with Smith saying this year Eddie knows he needs some new stars to emerge as the old guard disappear. This is forcing him into pushing the guys too early and they are being found out.

I think two things - 1. If Matchroom did not have AJ, they could be in real trouble and 2. regardless, they are no longer the only player in the market and with a combination of their old stars reaching the end, and other networks and promoters growing and thus the stars of boxing having multiple options PLUS the time and energy being spent stateside, and Matchroom Italy etc, they are hugely vulnerable right now.

jonp wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 20:46

brilo33 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 19:32

handsofstone wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 19:25 European champions from mainland Europe are always a bit if a mystery, outwith maybe Germany and Russia, the rest of the European domestic scene is pretty low level, Spanish, Italian and French champs for instance are generally poorer than British champs so when I see a European champ winning a vacant title I'm not always convinced their European class although in all fairness you can say the same if a Brit wins a vacant Euro belt

Garcia looks the goods though but Cheeseman showed next to no skill in there

yea forgetting how tough it is to win a eupean title, quite a few falling short recently ,Skeete , eggington, ritson brains to mashed to remember any more

Eggington won the european he knocked out the champ in Birmingham to win it?

yeah ur right he beat that spainish geezer, sorry like i said brains bit mashed

tobyh5 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 21:09 The issue is that Eddie is coming under pressure to perform and I have noticed some heat coming from Adam Smith towards Matchroom. Still friendly but the first signs of pressure for them with Smith saying this year Eddie knows he needs some new stars to emerge as the old guard disappear. This is forcing him into pushing the guys too early and they are being found out.

I think two things - 1. If Matchroom did not have AJ, they could be in real trouble and 2. regardless, they are no longer the only player in the market and with a combination of their old stars reaching the end, and other networks and promoters growing and thus the stars of boxing having multiple options PLUS the time and energy being spent stateside, and Matchroom Italy etc, they are hugely vulnerable right now.

I think that was tongue and cheek mate, sky have invested heavily into matchroom + I agree with your second point the BT and ITV deals has made it interesting!

Just goes to show how hard it is to win a European title! #sameggington #mathewmaklin #ryanrhodes etc!!

Goes to show has well the old school way of , British , Commonwealth , European , World , is the best way to go , find your level step after step .

commonwealths lower on the rung, you see that scrub cash fought

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 01:51 commonwealths lower on the rung, you see that scrub cash fought

Weird that it is - seeing as The Commonwealth has 50x the population.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 22:57

tobyh5 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2019, 21:09 The issue is that Eddie is coming under pressure to perform and I have noticed some heat coming from Adam Smith towards Matchroom. Still friendly but the first signs of pressure for them with Smith saying this year Eddie knows he needs some new stars to emerge as the old guard disappear. This is forcing him into pushing the guys too early and they are being found out.

I think two things - 1. If Matchroom did not have AJ, they could be in real trouble and 2. regardless, they are no longer the only player in the market and with a combination of their old stars reaching the end, and other networks and promoters growing and thus the stars of boxing having multiple options PLUS the time and energy being spent stateside, and Matchroom Italy etc, they are hugely vulnerable right now.

I think that was tongue and cheek mate, sky have invested heavily into matchroom + I agree with your second point the BT and ITV deals has made it interesting!

I do not think it could ever be tongue in cheek and your answer explains why it isn't, not why it is.

They have invested heavily so they want ongoing results. A large business will want its contractors to perform. The head of boxing on Sky saying their exclusive promoter needs to perform and bring in the goods cannot be anything but the truth. Then we all know the old guard are fading, a business only survives on today's results and it is openly acknowledged that the former stars are all reaching the end so need replacing or those results will end and they will left with no stars in the stable.

A desperate commentary for the first 7 rounds. Cheeseman is a very limited banger, got his arse handed to him.

skanksta wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 01:56

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 01:51 commonwealths lower on the rung, you see that scrub cash fought

Weird that it is - seeing as The Commonwealth has 50x the population.

This was s good title until Frank fooked it up about 10 years ago.

From memory the Commonwealth council were about to go bankrupt until Frank bailed them out and went in the Board.

From then on it was used as a way to get his fighters rankings and shots at alphabet titles and by passing the British and European.

His fighters suddenly got home title shots against some poor fooker from Africa who was under prepared but made up to get £500 and 2 nights in a Travelodge.

samwbr wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 05:19 A desperate commentary for the first 7 rounds. Cheeseman is a very limited banger, got his arse handed to him.

Smith’s commentary was pathetic as usual. I think it was around the 8th round where Cheeseman had his first small bit of success - Smith immediately shouted ‘was this the plan all along?!’ followed by an awkward pause and Macklin saying ‘No, I don’t think so’. Cringeworthy.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 07:12

samwbr wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 05:19 A desperate commentary for the first 7 rounds. Cheeseman is a very limited banger, got his arse handed to him.

Smith’s commentary was pathetic as usual. I think it was around the 8th round where Cheeseman had his first small bit of success - Smith immediately shouted ‘was this the plan all along?!’ followed by an awkward pause and Macklin saying ‘No, I don’t think so’. Cringeworthy.

I picked up on that, I thought turn it in Adam you lemon, give yaself a day off

Ted will come again imo, very fit, extremely tough, he just needs to change that head-on style & work on some boxing

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 07:12

samwbr wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 05:19 A desperate commentary for the first 7 rounds. Cheeseman is a very limited banger, got his arse handed to him.

Smith’s commentary was pathetic as usual. I think it was around the 8th round where Cheeseman had his first small bit of success - Smith immediately shouted ‘was this the plan all along?!’ followed by an awkward pause and Macklin saying ‘No, I don’t think so’. Cringeworthy.

That's brilliant what a plumb, like something out of the office

Oiky wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 07:15

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 07:12

samwbr wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 05:19 A desperate commentary for the first 7 rounds. Cheeseman is a very limited banger, got his arse handed to him.

Smith’s commentary was pathetic as usual. I think it was around the 8th round where Cheeseman had his first small bit of success - Smith immediately shouted ‘was this the plan all along?!’ followed by an awkward pause and Macklin saying ‘No, I don’t think so’. Cringeworthy.

I picked up on that, I thought turn it in Adam you lemon, give yaself a day off

Ted will come again imo, very fit, extremely tough, he just needs to change that head-on style & work on some boxing

He just got tired.

The first few rounds he had his guard up.. he got eventually got tired and started using his head to block punches. The way he was moving his head though.. it looked like it was nearly hanging off his neck.

I know the cheese has been talked about favourably on the forum in the past, but I don't see it and it was there to see long before this fight.

He'll come again, but he gets hit far too much.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑03 Feb 2019, 08:13 I know the cheese has been talked about favourably on the forum in the past, but I don't see it and it was there to see long before this fight.

He'll come again, but he gets hit far too much.

Yeh. It’s like what Coldwel said. Byfield is Area level. He only just became British champion last fight. Ted is now Brit level. Should have stayed at Brit level all this year. Defended his belt and then moved on up. This was just a leap and it failed this time.

i would suggest, and i have no bias, that cheeseman is/was very lucky to earn decent purses. in terms of his opportunities he has over achieved. he is a decent workhorse, go forward, aggressive...but his defensive skills are poor. a flat track bully is what i guess im saying. ok at a particular level when dishing it out. personally i feel Ant Fowler would eat him alive.......maybe that fight can be made now 'the cheese' has lost his 0.

ted is of similar ilk to adam etches. massive respect to the lads for going in there and doing their best. knocking out roadsweepers etc....but, if you use your face as your best defensive mechanism, you will never reach the top in this tough tough game. yes you can earn dosh, create a following, enjoy the lights......but you will never have a long career if you eat leather.

Wonder how much last night will have taken out of him long term. Disappointed the corner didn't save him late

Ted needs a good holiday, 6 months off.

Cheeseman is as tough as they come, but he got badly exposed last night in not having a clue how to deal with movement and volume. He seemed to be banking on Garcia tiring himself out on Cheeseman's high guard (basically Joe Gallagher tactics 101); that didn't happen and he was reduced to walking forward with his hands down looking for a bingo punch. No attempt to change tactics before round 8 - why not try seeing if he could tempt Garcia forward and bring his reach advantage into play?

Mind you, full credit to Garcia, who seemed to have limitless stamina and concentration together with a very solid chin. He'll be a handful for anyone if he can pull off those tactics successfully at a higher level.