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tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 14:46 The first thing you sign at an attorney office is a nondisclosure agreement.
I'm assuming a big time operator like Hearn has the same basic form he uses

Unfortunately we'll get nowhere with this logic as alas we have no proof!

ewenhay wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 12:45 There's no way he'll show any proof when he practices non disclosure in his contract agreements. Think about it

If a non-disclosure agreement is in place and Luis Ortiz’s claims are remotely accurate, then the Cuban has already breached it. All bets would be off and Eddie Hearn would be able to disclose anything he damn well wants.

Think about it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 16:36 If a non-disclosure agreement is in place and Luis Ortiz’s claims are remotely accurate, then the Cuban has already breached it. All bets would be off and Eddie Hearn would be able to disclose anything he damn well wants.

Think about it.

Good point. You may be right but I still think Hearn is just posturing

2mill,, 3 mill ,, 5 mill ,, All bigger better offers than he's done before , plus a crack at 3 belts and a chance to be the Man ,,, Yet he says no ,, to me theres only two reasons .

1 --- He's juicing and knows he'll get caught .

2--- He genuinly can't get in shape in 7 weeks , how heavy is he , how many weeks will he have to spend just to get to fighting weight , ect ect

coneye wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:01 2mill,, 3 mill ,, 5 mill ,, All bigger better offers than he's done before , plus a crack at 3 belts and a chance to be the Man ,,, Yet he says no ,, to me theres only two reasons .

1 --- He's juicing and knows he'll get caught .

2--- He genuinly can't get in shape in 7 weeks , how heavy is he , how many weeks will he have to spend just to get to fighting weight , ect ect

As of the deadline on Tuesday it was 39 days.
That's not 7 weeks.
We are now at 37 days. 5 weeks 2 days

anyone who is in the running or being talked to by ajs team should be training hard already, not just sitting on there butt waiting to see if they get it

jamamb wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:19 anyone who is in the running or being talked to by ajs team should be training hard already, not just sitting on there butt waiting to see if they get it

Add the other 6 days since cancellation and the longest they had 45 days. 6 weeks and 3 days which could be considered enough time but still a very short window for any real training camp.
Especially speaking it's the biggest fight of any of the challengers career.
Not ideal to say the least

jamamb wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:19 anyone who is in the running or being talked to by ajs team should be training hard already, not just sitting on there butt waiting to see if they get it

Anyone that still harbours realistic ambitions to face AJ on the 1st June, would have been continuously training since at least the 17th April.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:23 Add the other 6 days since cancellation and the longest they had 45 days. 6 weeks and 3 days which could be considered enough time but still a very short window for any real training camp.
Especially speaking it's the biggest fight of any of the challengers career.
Not ideal to say the least

Struggling to think of a real life equivalent but for that money id take my biggest pay day to do my job even if it meant I couldn't do it to the best of my ability .... Maybe I do ok and get another crack at it

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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:24 Anyone that still harbours realistic ambitions to face AJ on the 1st June, would have been continuously training since at least the 17th April.

EO that equals 45 days as I stated

If he's holding out for a better offer he is playing a dangerous game. He's forty ffs. Take the $5m and ride off into the sunset ... unless of course you win then that lifetime best purse won't necessarily remain your lifetime best purse.

Maybe Ortiz has seen what happened to Miller and realized it doesn't matter whether the offer is $5m or $50m

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:18 As of the deadline on Tuesday it was 39 days.
That's not 7 weeks.
We are now at 37 days. 5 weeks 2 days

Don't know where i got 7 weeks from ,,,, But If your not in shape 5 weeks is'nt enough , especielly if your over weight and need to spend most of the 5 weeks losing weight ,,, But with saying that he is a profesional boxer and should be in reasonable shape , ready for that call , although not everyone subscribes to that theory , , You could argue though at his age theres not too many 5 mill paydays going to come along , I would take it if it was me

coneye wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:36 Don't know where i got 7 weeks from ,,,, But If your not in shape 5 weeks is'nt enough , especielly if your over weight and need to spend most of the 5 weeks losing weight ,,, But with saying that he is a profesional boxer and should be in reasonable shape , ready for that call , although not everyone subscribes to that theory , , You could argue though at his age theres not too many 5 mill paydays going to come along , I would take it if it was me

Brother I agree there's not many big paydays out there for Ortiz.
I just remember after his fight in March he said he was taking some time off to spend with his family before getting back on the gym.
If he took a month off its possible he's 20 pounds or better over weight before the 45 days.
And again 6 weeks and 3 days is a short camp for the biggest fight of your life

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:55 Brother I agree there's not many big paydays out there for Ortiz.
I just remember after his fight in March he said he was taking some time off to spend with his family before getting back on the gym.
If he took a month off its possible he's 20 pounds or better over weight before the 45 days.
And again 6 weeks and 3 days is a short camp for the biggest fight of your life

In all fairness, where else is he going to have the opportunity to make $5 million? Not by fighting Wilder.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:58 In all fairness, where else is he going to have the opportunity to make $5 million? Not by fighting Wilder.

I agree with you. Even though we don't know the dollar amount for sure.
I'd personally take 5 million but I'm not Ortiz and I'm sure he has his reasons.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:00 I agree with you. Even though we don't know the dollar amount for sure.
I'd personally take 5 million but I'm not Ortiz and I'm sure he has his reasons.

And other than trying to further squeeze Hearn, I'm anxiously awaiting.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:58 In all fairness, where else is he going to have the opportunity to make $5 million? Not by fighting Wilder.

How do you know hearn is the only promoter able to burn money? Surely if he beat wilder twice and then fought aj 5 million would be crap? Ortiz is historically stupid with his decisions, but Eddie is more fucked now so no reason to believe that narrative. Miller gives him a scapegoat, he'd be a moron to pay anyone past wilder or fury more than a million.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:22 How do you know hearn is the only promoter able to burn money? Surely if he beat wilder twice and then fought aj 5 million would be crap? Ortiz is historically stupid with his decisions, but Eddie is more fucked now so no reason to believe that narrative. Miller gives him a scapegoat, he'd be a moron to pay anyone past wilder or fury more than a million.

Of course other promoters have big money. This is a perfect storm for Ortiz to earn big dollars. He'd be essentially saving the US debut of AJ and Hearn. Do you really think Luis can count on beating Wilder twice and then get an AJ fight? He'd be lucky to live that long! I don't think fans will be satisfied just for Eddeh to hold up Miller as the cause of all this turmoil. They want a decent scrap.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:29 Of course other promoters have big money. This is a perfect storm for Ortiz to earn big dollars. He'd be essentially saving the US debut of AJ and Hearn. Do you really think Luis can count on beating Wilder twice and then get an AJ fight? He'd be lucky to live that long! I don't think fans will be satisfied just for Eddeh to hold up Miller as the cause of all this turmoil. They want a decent scrap.

No, I also don't believe he would remotely 'save' ajs American debut. I don't think Americans care about either of them. They didn't care about Miller either. No reason to overpay again for a guaranteed failure

tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 18:27 1

EO that equals 45 days as I stated

Look at the timestamps of our posts, we must have provided the same sort of response at almost precisely the same time.

What can I say? Great minds clearly think alike!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:36 No, I also don't believe he would remotely 'save' ajs American debut. I don't think Americans care about either of them. They didn't care about Miller either. No reason to overpay again for a guaranteed failure

Oh financially this never had a chance. I don't care about that either. I just wanted the best fight possible, outside of Fury and Wilder. Ortiz makes it the best possible. Although still not very good.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:42 Oh financially this never had a chance. I don't care about that either. I just wanted the best fight possible, outside of Fury and Wilder. Ortiz makes it the best possible. Although still not very good.

Best case for hearn is piggybacking any canelo/Jacobs subscriptions that Joshua catches their eye. Bigger mismatch the better,.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:50 Best case for hearn is piggybacking any canelo/Jacobs subscriptions that Joshua catches their eye. Bigger mismatch the better,.

DAZN is a losing proposition in the US no matter what. This move by Hearn coming to the US has 'hot mess' written all over it.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:53 DAZN is a losing proposition in the US no matter what. This move by Hearn coming to the US has 'hot mess' written all over it.

Exactly, so why blow 5 million when you have a scapegoat? It makes no sense. Eddie is fucjed with dazn, but he's not stupid. Offering Ortiz that money for the same payout would be beyond stupid.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 19:56 Exactly, so why blow 5 million when you have a scapegoat? It makes no sense. Eddie is fucjed with dazn, but he's not stupid. Offering Ortiz that money for the same payout would be beyond stupid.

So you're not in the camp that a $5 million offer to Ortiz was made? I'm just asking, as there is no proof of any of this bs.