What about the nicknames? Off the top of my head I remember "The Baby Faced Assassin" "The Hitman" "The Easton Assassin" "Bone Crusher" "The Executioner" and im sure there are many others.
It all demonstrates the hypocrisy involved in this "controversy."
Wilder makes an excellent point when he says that he's the one risking his life for other people's entertainment, so that he's entitled to speak his mind on the matter.
He's pointing out how fans are greatly entertained by the spectacle of two men trying to pound and hurt each other.
But they quickly and sanctimonously distance themselves if what's going on in the ring is suddenly verbalized and illuminated as a form of legalized manslaughter.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 11:36
It all demonstrates the hypocrisy involved in this "controversy."
Wilder makes an excellent point when he says that he's the one risking his life for other people's entertainment, so that he's entitled to speak his mind on the matter.
He's pointing out how fans are greatly entertained by the spectacle of two men trying to pound and hurt each other.
But they quickly and sanctimonously distance themselves if what's going on in the ring is suddenly verbalized and illuminated as a form of legalized manslaughter.
Watch it. Enjoy it. But don't talk about it.
i agree but kinda funny to see all this defense coming from a guy who got offended and doesnt like loma because he called himself no mas chenko , would saying he wants his opponents to actually die in the ring at his hands be better
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Of course wilder is entitled to say it. What he says is embarrassing though and he shouldn’t expect people not to call him out on it. we should be fairly sure he doesn’t actually want to kill the guy and this is for publicity, most people realise it so it’s kind of cheap.
If he did actually want to kill the guy maybe this would be a matter for the authorities.
ya tbf, if no one called him out and just said 'its all just show etc' then no one would really care and saying this stuff wud just be a waste for him....the reactions the good thing from his perspective , the snowflakes are his target and should actually be embraced if your a bsquader
jamamb wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 11:45
i agree but kinda funny to see all this defense coming from a guy who got offended and doesnt like loma because he called himself no mas chenko , would saying he wants his opponents to actually die in the ring at his hands be better
Seems like 2 totally different topics. Don't recall anyone saying that they were offended by Lomachenko self-grandiose remarks. I certainly wasnt.
It was egotistical but hardly controversial.
But so many are going ballistic at Wilder claiming that he wants a body on his record.
I can see that remark being controversial but it doesn't move me one way or the other. I presume that his comment was chiefly designed for publicity purposes.
And judging from the massive reaction, it has worked. It called attention to a fight that was being ignored by American media.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 12:15
Seems like 2 totally different topics. Don't recall anyone saying that they were offended by Lomachenko self-grandiose remarks. I certainly wasnt.
It was egotistical but hardly controversial.
But so many are going ballistic at Wilder claiming that he wants a body on his record.
I can see that remark being controversial but it doesn't move me one way or the other. I presume that his comment was chiefly designed for publicity purposes.
And judging from the massive reaction, it has worked. It called attention to a fight that was being ignored by American media.
not really, one guy saying he wants to literally kill opponents is just strategically and smartly getting attention (like claressa right lol) and doesnt deserve any negativity, the other guy to you simply saying he makes guys quit is being a dickhead and is worth disliking because of it , just a funny way those match up, i wouldnt think a guy all for the death talk would be a slow flake over quit talk , guess it depends on who says it
Best Coast wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 01:17
Valero hung himself in his jail cell, where he was awaiting trial for murdering his wife/girlfriend.
As for your "Sergei Boytsov" the only Boytsov shown in BoxRec files is Denis Boytsov who is still alive. (Retired for health reasons if I remember correctly.)
Are you sure "Sergei Boytsov" isnt someone you just made up?
Yes, Denis Boytsov, my mistake. Health problems do tend to occur when a group of thugs beat you about the head with iron pipes and then throw you on the subway tracks.
And yes that was the "official story" about Valero. The "official story" about Botsov was that he slipped off the subway platform while drunk. But neither was true. I made a thread about Boytsov recently.
Wilder makes an excellent point when he says that he's the one risking his life for other people's entertainment, so that he's entitled to speak his mind on the matter.
Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 17:07
Yes, Denis Boytsov, my mistake. Health problems do tend to occur when a group of thugs beat you about the head with iron pipes and then throw you on the subway tracks.
And yes that was the "official story" about Valero. The "official story" about Botsov was that he slipped off the subway platform while drunk. But neither was true. I made a thread about Boytsov recently.
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 19:03
what was the motive for murdering valero?
This is all I know: Valero had reportedly been making repeated complaints to the police about unnamed parties making death threats to both him and his wife. His wife was then found dead. They CLAIM he confessed to killing her but where is evidence of that? He was then locked up in a Venezuelan dungeon and then found dead himself. They CLAIM he committed suicide in that cell. The most bizarre of all was there was online a video taken in the cell showing his dead naked body - not censored in any way, showing his privates and all, right on public internet - how could a forensic video like that find its way onto public internet!? - and it was captioned that he committed suicide by hanging himself with his jeans. You could see the jeans draped over a bed or something in the cell. Not knotted in any special way or torn into strips or anything, just draped over the bed or whatever it was. How can you possibly hang yourself in a jail cell with your jeans? If he somehow did that why was his body naked on the floor of the cell and the jeans casually draped over the bed? I saved the link to that video but it is gone now.
I don't know what the hell you're implying but Valero had already been arrested multiple times for assault, including against his wife. It's not remotely implausible at all that he killed her.
jujigatame wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 00:55I don't know what the hell you're implying but Valero had already been arrested multiple times for assault, including against his wife. It's not remotely implausible at all that he killed her.
What the hell I'm implying is he was murdered in his jail cell.
"Valero had already been arrested multiple times for assault"
jujigatame wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 00:55
I don't know what the hell you're implying but Valero had already been arrested multiple times for assault, including against his wife. It's not remotely implausible at all that he killed her.
He's a nutjob troll. Valero was a devastating ko waiting to happen. Total pussy. Complete pos.
The Valero case has a strange symmetry with that of the punk rocker, Sid Vicious.
Initially what seemed to be an open and shut case of a troubled young man murdering his wife/ girlfriend and later committing suicide eventually morphs into a different story as more information is found. Now doubts remain that neither of them were killers and both may have been the victims of murder.
The pressures of fame are known to be difficult to handle for certain individuals. In Vicious's case you can factor in a serious drug addiction, in Valero's it was a serious brain injury after a motorcycle accident in 2001.
We can never be certain as to what really happened but its interesting how the 'truth' can shape shift before our eyes in this way.
Valero was a 100% nut case. But that's not important.
Soooooo difficult to believe that a loon like him could have murdered his wife and then took his own worthless life.
Couldn't happen. Impossible. Must blame it all on another one of those conspiracies that are popular around here.
A sweet, mentally stable guy like Valero could never have done any of those things. Must have been some shadowy figures along with the cops who were response for all of it.
characters wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 10:22
If any normal person would say this, he would get in prison, somehow because this guy is so retarded, nobody takes him serious, so he can get away with it.
Boxing is a sport. The rules of real life apply as much as they do in other forms of entertainment such as films, cartoons and computer games.
Is that beyond comprehension?
Or have you totally succumbed to the dreaded all pervasive PC virus?
