Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - WBA Ordered

Who wins?

Poll ended at 11 Feb 2022, 07:04

Charr - Decision
1
3%
Charr - T/KO
8
25%
DRAW
5
16%
Bryan - T/KO
7
22%
Bryan - Decision
11
34%
 
Total votes: 32

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Sureeely winner of this vs DDD. cant be winner of this anywhere near usyk.
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gregregegg wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 14:54 Sureeely winner of this vs DDD. cant be winner of this anywhere near usyk.
The winner of this Vs DDD is the sort of level that DDD needs to start testing himself at. Would be a good opportunity for him to start beating known names. Knowing Frank though he'd rather Dubois gets the plastic strap and sit and wait for a mandatory at the full title.
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joshj909 wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 15:47
gregregegg wrote: 24 Nov 2021, 14:54 Sureeely winner of this vs DDD. cant be winner of this anywhere near usyk.
The winner of this Vs DDD is the sort of level that DDD needs to start testing himself at. Would be a good opportunity for him to start beating known names. Knowing Frank though he'd rather Dubois gets the plastic strap and sit and wait for a mandatory at the full title.
This fight is for the plastic strap. hence why DDD should fight the winner. Then he should fight helenious for the other plastic strap. Then fight for the real WBA.
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Trevor Bryan-Manuel Charr: Don King ($1,000,101) Wins Purse Bid For Rescheduled WBA Title Fight

Trevor Bryan and Mahmoud Charr are back in each other’s crosshairs.

Hall of Fame promoter Don King has once again claimed promotional rights to the oft-postponed WBA “World” heavyweight title fight through a purse bid hearing. Don King Productions—represented by veteran boxing personality Tony Gonzalez—was the lone bidder during Thursday’s session in Miami, submitting an offer of $1,000,101 to be split evenly between Bryan and Charr.

DKP was required to submit a 25% deposit ($250,025.45) to secure conditional rights to the fight, with final contracts to be submitted no later than December 29—20 days from the time of the purse bid hearing. Plans call for the bout to take place January 29—one year to the day of their previously failed attempt to stage the fight. King listed potential locations of Warren, Ohio, Las Vegas and South Florida.

Presumably, the fight will be packaged with a WBC cruiserweight title fight between defending tiltlist Ilunga ‘Junior’ Makabu and mandatory challenger Thabiso Mchunu, which was previously announced to take place January 29 in Warren, Ohio.

The winner of Bryan-Charr will enter the race to challenge for the WBA “Super” heavyweight title currently held by Oleksandr Usyk (19-0, 13 KOs), who also holds the IBF, WBO and IBO belts. Usyk—the former lineal and undisputed cruiserweight king—became the unified heavyweight titlist following his win over Anthony Joshua this past September. The two are currently in talks for a rematch, after which the winner will be looking at numerous mandatories including an eventual title consolidation clash with the WBA “World” titlist.

Bryan (21-0, 15 KOs) claimed the vacant secondary belt this past January 29, through bizarre circumstances.

The unbeaten heavyweight from Schenectady, New York had not fought since a fourth-round knockout of BJ Flores in August 2018 to win the WBA “Interim” heavyweight belt. Bryan waited for years to receive his due shot versus then WBA “World” titlist Charr (32-4, 18 KOs), with the fight originally due to take place last May for a far greater payday. King won a March 2020 purse bid hearing, submitting a massive $2,000,000 offer to stage the fight.

The event was delayed first due to the pandemic and then through the usual games played by King and the current state of his promotional company. The WBA intervened late last year, demanding the fight take place no later than January 29, 2021 to avoid a purse bid default.

King set up shop behind closed doors at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. However, Charr—a Syrian heavyweight based out of Cologne, Germany—was unable to leave his home country due to failure to secure a P1 travel visa in time to participate in the event. The matter became the subject of a messy lawsuit, though not before Charr was demoted to “Champion In Recess” which allowed him the benefit of next challenging for the vacated title when was available.

The development allowed King to replace Charr with faded former WBC titlist Bermane Stiverne (25-5-1, 21 KOs), whom Bryan twice floored en route to an eleventh-round knockout atop a DKP Pay-Per-View event.

Bryan has not fought since then, while Charr managed to end a 42-month inactive stretch. The 37-year old heavyweight made his way back to the ring this past May, scoring a second-round knockout of previously unbeaten Christopher Lovejoy (20-1, 20 KOs), a beefy boxing legend on the Tijuana club circuit who was unable to stand up to Charr’s power for much more than four minutes.

The players and the date suggest that history is doomed to repeat itself. However, the effort to reschedule the fight comes at a time when the WBA has since cleaned up its act. The sanctioning body has aggressively moved towards reducing its number of recognized titlists, though with the acknowledgement that the heavyweight division would be the toughest task given the number of fighters owed a title fight.
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lol what are the odds that fight doesnt go ahead
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margaret thatcher wrote: 09 Dec 2021, 13:21 lol what are the odds that fight doesnt go ahead
I just wanna see it over with..

Did Fat Fres' guaranteed contract title shot have an expiration date?

Last we heard from him, 2017 I think, he was about to fight Briggs and then Bryan I think..

Maybe the WBA paid him.
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Charr Still Waiting On Contract For Title Fight With Trevor Bryan; Threatens To Sue WBA, Calls For Boycott

New year, same status in the far too difficult effort to get Trevor Bryan and Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr in the ring.

Despite the threat of a hard deadline in place, BS.com has learned that Don King has yet to deliver final contracts for the WBA “World” heavyweight title fight between Bryan and Charr. The Hall of Fame promoter secured the rights to the rescheduled bout after submitting an offer of $1,000,101.90 during a December 9 purse bid hearing held by the WBA, which required a 25% deposit on the spot along with signed contracts by December 29.

The latter has yet to happen and Charr—who was in this exact position this time one year ago—refuses to allow history to repeat itself. The veteran heavyweight contender has personally called WBA president Gilberto Jesus Mendoza to task, threatening not only to take further legal action but to encourage others to turn their back on the Panama City-headquartered sanctioning body.

“Mendoza, they force me to walk a dirty path! I will sue [the WBA] the corrupt club,” Charr said to Mendoza in the presence of several other WBA executives in a strongly worded e-mail, a copy of which has been obtained by BS.com. “I recorded our video call where you promised to protect me! You lied, your father is ashamed that you are his son, you are not worthy to be a president for such an association!”

Among the other issues holding up the fight is Don King Productions (DKP) once again stalling on efforts to secure a P-1 entertainment visa required for Charr—a Syrian heavyweight based out of Hamburg who holds German citizenship—to travel to the U.S. for the fight.

DKP informed the sanctioning body during its purse bid that the fight would take place as part of an already announced January 29 card in Warren, Ohio. The event currently houses the WBC cruiserweight title fight between defending champion Ilunga ‘Junior’ Makabu—who King co-promotes—and mandatory challenger Thabiso Mchunu. Bryan-Charr was expected to land on the show as well, whether as main event or co-feature for a card that—for now—will likely take place as a DKP-distributed modestly priced Pay-Per-View event.

The same approach was taken with plans for Bryan-Charr last January 29—exactly one year to the suggested date for this fight, with plans at the time for the title fight to have topped a show at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. Charr was forced to call and email King’s office daily, inquiring of his P-1 status which was never resolved and is the subject of an ongoing breach of contract lawsuit filed by Charr last August with the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida in Fort Lauderdale.

Bryan (21-0, 15KOs) wound up facing late replacement Bermane Stiverne for the WBA “World” title that was stripped from Charr for failure to defend, with the heavyweight downgraded to “Champion in Recess.” Bryan went on to win by 11th round knockout, cashing in his now-defunct interim title for the “World” version, which is secondary to the WBA “Super” title held by Oleksandr Usyk (19-0, 13KOs) who is also the IBF/WBO/IBO champ.

Efforts to reschedule the bout for last spring never materialized. Charr (32-4, 18KOs) wound up taking a stay busy fight versus Tijuana club show legend Christopher Lovejoy, though fittingly in another fight that King attempted to block as he claimed to still hold promotional rights to Lovejoy. The fight went through as scheduled, with Charr scoring a second-round knockout in his first bout since previously winning the vacant WBA “World” title in a twelve-round, unanimous decision over Alexander Ustinov in November 2017.

With the matter remaining unresolved in getting Bryan and Charr in the ring, the WBA took matters into its own hands. Mendoza and the WBA Championship Committee imposed what they believed to be the proper measures to avoid a repeat of last year’s fiasco. Those modifications included the winning purse bid promoter submitting a non-refundable 25% deposit instead of the traditional 10%, along with a tight turnaround time to produce signed contracts and the specification that the promoter of record is required to handle all travel issues.

“They do not understand that as a Syrian citizen I have already been to the USA several times with a B1 / B2 visa,” pointed out Charr in refusing to accept the degree of difficulty in DKP resolving the issue, which is the company’s responsibility as the lead promoter. “Today, I am a German citizen and I would be able to easily enter the USA with an ESTA visa.

“But without a signed fight contract from Don King, you don't get a P1 visa and so I am not allowed to fight.”

Any hint of King trying to once again pull a bait and switch—and more so, without the WBA taking action—could see this matter become even uglier in a hurry.

“I advise him to think carefully which way you want to go ... the honest way? Or the dirty way of Don King,” stated Charr. “Your word was for your dead father, you didn't keep it. I'll also make a press release that [the WBA] should be boycotted, and I'll post it on my social media if you don't see your senses.

“No athlete or employed worker comes to the US without a signed employment contract. I'm fed up with [the WBA] you are no longer a worthy club if you take my title away from me.”

The matter remained under review with the WBA as of the most recent correspondence between the sanctioning body and BS.com.

The winner of the ordered Bryan-Charr fight will become the mandatory challenger to Usyk, as part of the WBA’s continued efforts to reduce its number of recognized titlists. The campaign began last August, though with the heavyweight division left for last due to the number of existing complications—most of which continue to surround this matchup that has been far too long in the making, given its otherwise general lack of relevance.
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What idiot allowed Don King to control a belt in this day and age
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joshj909 wrote: 02 Jan 2022, 16:34 What idiot allowed Don King to control a belt in this day and age
I mean WBA regular is a don king levle belt.
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King + Arum = near term glue
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They took a 250,000 deposit of don king? and he has missed the deadline for contracts? just take his money, re purse bid with don king banned from bidding, easy. why wait to be fucked around any longer, this fight has been getting fucked around for 3 years....
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Frank W really should just find the money to feed both to Dubois.
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Pukka Cheese wrote: 03 Jan 2022, 18:49 Frank W really should just find the money to feed both to Dubois.
Fuk it, on the same night. DDD vs trev for the title, then DDD vs char as his first defence, throw lovejoy in for a 2nd defence. IF don has any more heavyweights chuck em in the mix too. It can be DDD vs don kings entire heavyweight stable, and once they are all chinned i see no reason for don king to stay in boxing...
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call me f@cking crazy, but i dont think bryan is THAT bad. like, i wouldnt be shocked if he beat a dom breazeale
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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 01:36 call me f@cking crazy, but i dont think bryan is THAT bad. like, i wouldnt be shocked if he beat a dom breazeale
Honestly i cant actually remember watching him. resume is awfull, came in very fat last fight, been horificaly inactive. If he is semi decent makes all that sader, has been pro over 10 years and has done much..
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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 01:36 call me f@cking crazy, but i dont think bryan is THAT bad. like, i wouldnt be shocked if he beat a dom breazeale
What’s his best win?

I watched highlights of the Stiverne fight.
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Don king has repeated last years shenanigans, over bid to secure the fight, fornicate around till charr doesnt have a visa, blaim that and squirm out of the fight. Charr stripped of whatever weird title/ name he had. trev vs some guy iv never heard of, and neither have any of you im guessing.
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gregregegg wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 05:57 Don king has repeated last years shenanigans, over bid to secure the fight, fornicate around till charr doesnt have a visa, blaim that and squirm out of the fight. Charr stripped of whatever weird title/ name he had. trev vs some guy iv never heard of, and neither have any of you im guessing.
Dubois will be mandatory. So hopefully Dubois will have some meaningful fights once he beats Dubois.
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Trevor Bryan To Proceed With Voluntary Title Defense; Charr Removed As WBA "Champion In Recess"

Mahmoud (Manuel) Charr suffers yet another knockout blow outside the ring.

Boxing Scene has learned that the former secondary WBA beltholder has lost out on a chance to face WBA “World” heavyweight titlist Trevor Bryan for the second time in the span of a year. Charr was previously owed a shot at the title he once held but has been removed for failure to provide proof of a P-1 entertainment visa required to travel to the United States for the fight.

Don King Productions (DKP) planned to stage the bout January 29 at Packard Music Hall in Warren, Ohio. The date was established during a December 9 purse bid hearing won by the Hall of Fame promoter with a bid of $1,000,101.80, to be split evenly between Bryan and Charr and from which King was required to submit a 25% non-refundable deposit ($250,025.45).

The purse bid requirements also stipulated that final contracts were to be submitted no later than twenty (20) days after the hearing, and with the fight to take place between 45 and 90 days from December 9. The 20-day deadline came and went without contracts received by the WBA, a factor on which Charr was banking to have the sanctioning body declare a purse bid default.

However, the figurative game of ‘Russian Roulette’ worked against the Syria-born heavyweight now based out of Cologne, Germany.

The purse bid rules also specified that “each fighter, and their respective camps, shall be responsible for obtaining their own passports and all visas required by the country where the bout is to take place, including, but not limited to, work visa (P1 if bout is to take place in the USA), so each [f]ighter is able to participate in the [bout].”

Charr and his team have contended that they are unable to comply with that order without proof of a fight in order to travel to the U.S. Representatives from DKP insist that a contract offer was in fact presented to Charr, but that the 36-year-old heavyweight ultimately overplayed his hand.

It has now cost him the chance to regain the title that was stripped from his possession one year ago.

An eerily similar development played out last January. Charr was due to defend his WBA “World” title versus Bryan (21-0, 15KOs)—who at the time held the now defunct WBA “interim” heavyweight belt—last January 29 at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino. Both sides contend that the other was unwilling to cooperate, with the matter serving as the subject of an ongoing lawsuit filed with the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida in Fort Lauderdale.

The fight was to have take place by the January 29, 2021 deadline as imposed by the WBA, who was prepared to have declared a default on a $2,000,000 purse bid offer submitted by King. The sanctioning body went in the other direction, downgrading Charr to “Champion in Recess” while approving a last-minute request by DKP to sanction a vacant WBA “World” heavyweight title fight between Bryan and faded former WBC titlist Bermane Stiverne.

Bryan went on to win by eleventh-round knockout, having not fought since then. The bout was his first since winning the vacant interim title in a fourth-round knockout of BJ Flores in August 2018.

Charr was out of the ring even longer, having never defended the secondary title he won in a twelve-round, unanimous decision over Alexander Ustinov in November 2017. Numerous hiccups even beyond the global pandemic kept him out of the ring for nearly four years, including a positive drug test which he was able to successfully challenge due to a technicality.

The 42-month inactive stretch was broken last May, though oddly in another fight that King attempted to block. Charr headlined a show in his adopted Cologne hometown against then-unbeaten Christopher Lovejoy (19-0, 19KOs at the time; now 20-1, 20KOs), a legend of the Tijuana club circuit who had to ride out the remainder of his contract with DKP to proceed with the fight. Charr won by second-round knockout, after which he has since waited on the opportunity to regain his old title.

That day will likely never come back around, though his legal team will certainly do its best to change that dynamic.

Meanwhile, Bryan (21-0, 15KOs) will remain on the card in a voluntary defense versus an opponent to be named.

The likely replacement is Louisiana’s Jonathan Guidry (17-0-2, 10KOs), an unbeaten but largely unproven heavyweight who has magically appeared in the top 15 of the most recent WBA rankings released at the start of the new year. Guidry was previously due to face 42-year-old Alonzo Butler (34-3-2, 25KOs) on the undercard according to a previous DKP release.

With a win, Bryan will likely have to next face England's Daniel Dubois (17-1, 16KOs), the current number-one contender with the WBA as the result of the sanctioning body removing his previously held "interim" title from circulation last August. A condition of the title reduction policy is that Dubois would be owed a shot at the "World" title, in lieu of Bryan being ordered to next face WBA "Super" champion Oleksandr Usyk (19-0, 13KOs), who also holds the IBF/WBO/IBO titles and who awaits a rematch with former two-time titlsit Anthony Joshua (24-2, 22KOs).

In the main event, WBC cruiserweight titlist Ilunga ‘Junior’ Makabu (28-2, 25KOs) attempts his second title defense versus mandatory challenger and consensus top ten contender Thabiso Mchunu (23-5, 13KOs). A platform has yet to be assigned to the event, though such details along with ticket information are expected to be announced in the coming days. It will likely air as an independently distributed DKP Pay-Per-View event, as has been the case with the majority of King’s events in recent years, including Bryan’s most recent fight one year ago.
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Charr being KO'd by WBA.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 04:33
margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 01:36 call me f@cking crazy, but i dont think bryan is THAT bad. like, i wouldnt be shocked if he beat a dom breazeale
What’s his best win?

I watched highlights of the Stiverne fight.
probably that one , or dominating derrick rossy. which says clearly his limited resume.

he aint beating anyone good but he's not absolutely dreadful. sure he's flabby and doesnt do anything all that great, but clearly knows how to fight and isnt some phony boxer like loverboi. he was a pretty good amateur too.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 12:34
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 04:33
margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 01:36 call me f@cking crazy, but i dont think bryan is THAT bad. like, i wouldnt be shocked if he beat a dom breazeale
What’s his best win?

I watched highlights of the Stiverne fight.
probably that one , or dominating derrick rossy. which says clearly his limited resume.

he aint beating anyone good but he's not absolutely dreadful. sure he's flabby and doesnt do anything all that great, but clearly knows how to fight and isnt some phony boxer like loverboi. he was a pretty good amateur too.
Don't forget he beat the great BJ Flores, now trainer of the G'YT'OAT Jake Paul.
That was for the WBA 'Interim' belt.
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It’s amazing how King is still able to get the WBA to do what he wants.
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dude got some gay sex party photos of the wba executives or something
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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jan 2022, 13:05 dude got some gay sex party photos of the wba executives or something
He has something

WBA was making progress..

They're letting themselves down a bit here.

Charr can't get a permit unless he has confirmation the fight is on, DK saying they sent contracts.
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