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If anything can make out what's being said here, it looks like Eddie and Dillian might have been caught on the mic coming up with a game plan of what they were gonna do/say

Skip to 1:10 of the video

Someone has come up with a transcript of what they think was said

Whyte: ****ing Hell.

Hearn: Alright Mate?

Whyte: ****ing hell in it, Jesus Christ bruv. I haven't slept at all the last couple of days.

Hearn: Nor have I, but I didn't have to fight.

Whyte: ****sake.

Hearn: Mate, that was the miracle of all miracles wasn't it?

Whyte: That's the difference between being a professional...

Hearn: I had everything, I had a statement for you ready to go.... and he just phone me up and was like... we did it and i was like oh my god.

Whyte: I need to keep my hair for some reason. It's a ****ing stitch up, I passed 2 tests in 2 days and then one in a million..

This sport is a disgrace. They knew about the results and Hearn was able to get it covered up until after the fight. We got dudes dying in the ring and promoters are powerful enough to knowingly allow guys to juice up and fight anyway.

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 20:29 Someone has come up with a transcript of what they think was said

Whyte: ****ing Hell.

Hearn: Alright Mate?

Whyte: ****ing hell in it, Jesus Christ bruv. I haven't slept at all the last couple of days.

Hearn: Nor have I, but I didn't have to fight.

Whyte: ****sake.

Hearn: Mate, that was the miracle of all miracles wasn't it?

Whyte: That's the difference between being a professional...

Hearn: I had everything, I had a statement for you ready to go.... and he just phone me up and was like... we did it and i was like oh my god.

Whyte: I need to keep my hair for some reason. It's a ****ing stitch up, I passed 2 tests in 2 days and then one in a million..

lol they must have a lot better hearing then i do to make out some of those parts

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 12:00 Where does it say in that guardian article, that he failed for the same substance that he failed for the first time? I'm not seeing it.

greg wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 12:11 Me neither

BitPlayer wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 12:21 The Guardian article doesn't say what he tested positive for, not now anyway, It just cites the Boxing Scene article, and neither reveal the substance.

It only mentions the previous ban

At the time that I wrote the post, it said that he tested positive for Methylhexanamine. That's where I got that from. So they evidently edited that claim out.

It's late and I don't feel like going through all these pages but I will so get your stories straight.
There will be questions.

My understanding of the rules is that the fight was allowed to continue because the B sample had not been tested yet.

This is different than the rules elsewhere where the fight would be on hold immediately pending further investigation.

It is shameful at the very least to not inform the other fighter or the sanctioning bodies of the finding of an adverse drug test.

WHYTE SILENCE A DERILICTION OF DUTY – THE F W COLUMN

IT HAS BEEN a dreadful, tragic and desperately sad week for the sport of boxing.

The deaths of both Maxim Dadashev and Hugo Santillan provide a stark reminder, if any were needed, of the brutal landscape participants in this sport operate in. When tragedy occurs, soul-searching follows, before those involved in the game return to the genuinely held conviction that the positives of boxing heavily outweigh the mercifully rare negatives.

We then always speak of – and in most cases carry it out – continually striving to make the boxing ring as safe a place as it can be when blows are being traded.

This doesn’t appear to have been the uppermost concern when it came to the headline fight at a show that took place at the O2 in London last weekend that has resulted in a further doping scandal tarnishing the sport.

During fight week Dillian Whyte was informed of an adverse finding in a recent anti-doping test and nearly all concerned were made aware of this also. So Dillian knew, his promoter Eddie Hearn has admitted he knew and the British Boxing Board of Control and UKAD were obviously in the picture, as UKAD are exclusively appointed by the Board to handle all Anti-Doping matters under the World Anti-Doping Agency WADA protocol.

Normally, under these circumstances, a boxer is immediately suspended and is given seven days to respond. Of the two samples taken – A and B – the B sample is retained to be tested, at the request of the boxer at a later date if he refutes the findings in the A Sample.

In the meantime, press conferences continued with as if nothing had happened and they continued to sell the fight against Oscar Rivas to be broadcast on pay-per-view.

Strangely, most Athletes wait months to have a hearing, but on this occasion a hearing took place on the Saturday morning, which was kept secret, for reasons we don’t know. But, the one person this should not have been kept from is Oscar Rivas.

Everybody concerned had a duty of care to inform him of this situation. He was the one getting into the ring with someone who – nobody disputes this at the moment – had tested positive for a PED.

Ultimately, his life was on the line and questions needed to be asked, but neither he or his team were told. Had they been told they could have then made a decision over whether Rivas wanted to or should fight or not. If they required financial compensation, what the implications were if they withdrew from the fight and, most importantly, were the insurance policies in place and how were they affected? Were the insurance company informed? Would they cover a fighter who was taking PED’s or a fighter suffering injury or worse as a result?

Apparently, the WBC – who had their Interim title on the line – knew nothing about it, so why weren’t they informed as they go to great lengths to promote their own clean Boxing Program and would probably have pulled sanction.

I think it is outrageous that a fighter is allowed to step into the ring to take on someone with a doping cloud hanging over their head and be totally unaware of what is going on.

People might say I would say all this with being a rival promoter, but I have been in the sport a long time and this isn’t the first occasion where Matchroom have been guilty or been accused of dubious practice that could potentially put the safety of boxers at risk.

What we have got now is an about-turn from Hearn, in contrast to his reaction when Billy-Joe Saunders was deemed to have failed a VADA test for using a nasal decongestant whilst out-of-competition, which is permitted by UKAD. In the eyes of UKAD and the BBBofC Bill was an innocent party and had not broken any rule or violated the WADA code, but Hearn, when it suited him and his agenda, vocally supported the stance of the voluntary organisation and insisted everybody should know about it, resulting in Bill having to vacate his world title.

Now we have a cloak of secrecy thrown over the whole issue. Furthermore, what have the VADA tests come back with this time and why has it all been conducted in secret?

Two young men died this week so now, more than ever, there is the need for complete transparency. We need to know the results of the B sample as soon as possible for the integrity of sport. Throughout all this, nobody is saying there has not been a positive test here. That being the case what was he doing in the ring?

The man who was risking his life in opposition surely had the right to know all this and a duty of care has not been upheld. This is the essence of what boxing is about, the safety of boxers.

Regulation 9.8 of the BBBC’s regulations states… “The Board or Area Council shall have the power to prohibit any contest which in their opinion is not in the interests of boxing” irrespective of what happened at Saturday’s hearing how can they have allowed this fight to have gone ahead, it certainly wasn’t in the interests of boxing and more importantly it certainly wasn’t in Oscar Rivas’ health’s best interest.

There are so many questions that need to be asked and there may well be valid answers to them, but we need to know and a wall of silence is in the interests of nobody.

Whatever way you want to look at it, surely no-one can dispute the fact that Rivas had a right to know what was going on. And nobody saw fit to tell him and for me that is immoral.

Has a dangerous precedent been set where we see boxers fighting whilst waiting for allegations of cheating to be either established or exonerated? I hope not, as a repeat of this mockery would have serious implications due to the very nature of the sport and God forbid anyone getting injured in the interim.

There are more important things in this sport of ours than making more money and the people involved in this scandal should be called to account and soon.

Managing Director of Klitschko Management Group and former Klitschko Manager Bernd Boente has reacted to the current drug testing saga involving Dillian Whyte in the United Kingdom.

Whyte is alleged to have tested positive for metabolites of a banned substance Dianabol. But even so, was allowed to fight and defeat Oscar Rivas at the O2 Arena in London. A hearing was hastily set-up to convene over events. Whyte was subsequently cleared by UKAD and the British Boxing Board of Control to enter the ring.

Uproar has since erupted in the UK given the nature of the way Whyte, his team and the authorities kept the information from Rivas and his promoter Yvon Michel.

Boente felt as though the situation was similar to the one Wladimir Klitschko experienced before losing his world heavyweight titles to Tyson Fury in Germany back in 2015.

“The Dillian Whyte scandal has reminded me how the BBBofC and UKAD treated us before Wladimir‘s fight versus Fury,” Boente exclusively told World Boxing News.

“Both organizations knew about Fury‘s doping test in the Hammer fight. Neither of them had told us or the involved governing bodies (WBA, WBO, IBF and IBO) anything before the fight.

“Had we known this before, we would have insisted on VADA testing in the weeks leading up to the fight.”

Asked his thoughts on Whyte, UKAD and the BBBofC’s actions, Boente added: “We need to find a reasonable and fast solution regarding the increasing number of doping cases in boxing.

“Our sport is facing a huge problem, especially with the added pressure from broadcasters covering our sport,” he concluded.

Once the ‘B’ sample comes to light and UKAD finally open their findings to the public, Rivas and the WBC, Whyte faces a further ban of between four and eight years. ‘The Body Snatcher’ was banned in 2012 for two years, and according to UKAD rules, should be given a far sterner punishment for another failure.

If you use this content, you legally agree to credit World Boxing News and backlink to our story EXCLUSIVE: Whyte-Rivas UKAD case similar to Klitschko-Fury – Boente | WBN - World Boxing News

Prograis, Ruiz jr, and whoever else is supposed to have a big UK fight should refuse to fight there. That would fix it quick

Whyte is going to claim Tue exemption or something like that. 2 time cheater and a major hypocrite at that. Hearn is garbage too but successful promoters are low life money grabbers so you expect that.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 19:55

Bullshit.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:07

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 19:55

Bullshit.

What is?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:07

Bullshit.

What is?

Michael Bensonn. The grand wizard of copy and paste.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:24

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:21

What is?

Michael Bensonn. The grand wizard of copy and paste.

Is that a takeoff on The Grand Wizard of Wrestling?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 13:02 WHYTE SILENCE A DERILICTION OF DUTY – THE F W COLUMN

IT HAS BEEN a dreadful, tragic and desperately sad week for the sport of boxing.

The deaths of both Maxim Dadashev and Hugo Santillan provide a stark reminder, if any were needed, of the brutal landscape participants in this sport operate in. When tragedy occurs, soul-searching follows, before those involved in the game return to the genuinely held conviction that the positives of boxing heavily outweigh the mercifully rare negatives.

We then always speak of – and in most cases carry it out – continually striving to make the boxing ring as safe a place as it can be when blows are being traded.

This doesn’t appear to have been the uppermost concern when it came to the headline fight at a show that took place at the O2 in London last weekend that has resulted in a further doping scandal tarnishing the sport.

During fight week Dillian Whyte was informed of an adverse finding in a recent anti-doping test and nearly all concerned were made aware of this also. So Dillian knew, his promoter Eddie Hearn has admitted he knew and the British Boxing Board of Control and UKAD were obviously in the picture, as UKAD are exclusively appointed by the Board to handle all Anti-Doping matters under the World Anti-Doping Agency WADA protocol.

Normally, under these circumstances, a boxer is immediately suspended and is given seven days to respond. Of the two samples taken – A and B – the B sample is retained to be tested, at the request of the boxer at a later date if he refutes the findings in the A Sample.

In the meantime, press conferences continued with as if nothing had happened and they continued to sell the fight against Oscar Rivas to be broadcast on pay-per-view.

Strangely, most Athletes wait months to have a hearing, but on this occasion a hearing took place on the Saturday morning, which was kept secret, for reasons we don’t know. But, the one person this should not have been kept from is Oscar Rivas.

Everybody concerned had a duty of care to inform him of this situation. He was the one getting into the ring with someone who – nobody disputes this at the moment – had tested positive for a PED.

Ultimately, his life was on the line and questions needed to be asked, but neither he or his team were told. Had they been told they could have then made a decision over whether Rivas wanted to or should fight or not. If they required financial compensation, what the implications were if they withdrew from the fight and, most importantly, were the insurance policies in place and how were they affected? Were the insurance company informed? Would they cover a fighter who was taking PED’s or a fighter suffering injury or worse as a result?

Apparently, the WBC – who had their Interim title on the line – knew nothing about it, so why weren’t they informed as they go to great lengths to promote their own clean Boxing Program and would probably have pulled sanction.

I think it is outrageous that a fighter is allowed to step into the ring to take on someone with a doping cloud hanging over their head and be totally unaware of what is going on.

People might say I would say all this with being a rival promoter, but I have been in the sport a long time and this isn’t the first occasion where Matchroom have been guilty or been accused of dubious practice that could potentially put the safety of boxers at risk.

What we have got now is an about-turn from Hearn, in contrast to his reaction when Billy-Joe Saunders was deemed to have failed a VADA test for using a nasal decongestant whilst out-of-competition, which is permitted by UKAD. In the eyes of UKAD and the BBBofC Bill was an innocent party and had not broken any rule or violated the WADA code, but Hearn, when it suited him and his agenda, vocally supported the stance of the voluntary organisation and insisted everybody should know about it, resulting in Bill having to vacate his world title.

Now we have a cloak of secrecy thrown over the whole issue. Furthermore, what have the VADA tests come back with this time and why has it all been conducted in secret?

Two young men died this week so now, more than ever, there is the need for complete transparency. We need to know the results of the B sample as soon as possible for the integrity of sport. Throughout all this, nobody is saying there has not been a positive test here. That being the case what was he doing in the ring?

The man who was risking his life in opposition surely had the right to know all this and a duty of care has not been upheld. This is the essence of what boxing is about, the safety of boxers.

Regulation 9.8 of the BBBC’s regulations states… “The Board or Area Council shall have the power to prohibit any contest which in their opinion is not in the interests of boxing” irrespective of what happened at Saturday’s hearing how can they have allowed this fight to have gone ahead, it certainly wasn’t in the interests of boxing and more importantly it certainly wasn’t in Oscar Rivas’ health’s best interest.

There are so many questions that need to be asked and there may well be valid answers to them, but we need to know and a wall of silence is in the interests of nobody.

Whatever way you want to look at it, surely no-one can dispute the fact that Rivas had a right to know what was going on. And nobody saw fit to tell him and for me that is immoral.

Has a dangerous precedent been set where we see boxers fighting whilst waiting for allegations of cheating to be either established or exonerated? I hope not, as a repeat of this mockery would have serious implications due to the very nature of the sport and God forbid anyone getting injured in the interim.

There are more important things in this sport of ours than making more money and the people involved in this scandal should be called to account and soon.

Yeah I'd be a lot less cynical about these comments if they were coming from a different source. They are like rival politicians, more interested in showing up the other's deficiencies and scoring points, than anything else. Hearn would be no different.

I can't disagree with most of what he says though.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 18:14 bring back the halcyon days of 40's 50's Madison Square Garden

a pure gentleman's sport in those days

You know I like to pride myself that i'm better than most at discerning when someone is being ironic, and when they are not.

I have to admit Funso, you have me flummoxed. Sir I salute you.

Is say he's being 100% ironic.

Otherwise he wouldn't have chosen a period where boxing was controlled by the mob.

Perhaps I'm not as good as I thought.

Warren is right. Problem is, he’s no different. He spends all day championing a drug cheat in Tyson Fury, even to the point where he is talking about Jarrell Miller, another drug cheat, being Fury’s potential next opponent! The sport is a joke

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:06 Warren is right. Problem is, he’s no different. He spends all day championing a drug cheat in Tyson Fury, even to the point where he is talking about Jarrell Miller, another drug cheat, being Fury’s potential next opponent! The sport is a joke

Totally agree. It's a complete joke now.

I think we need biological passports for top fighters. I'd pilot this with the top 20 heavyweights.

Random and regular out of competition testing also required.

Governing bodies should be made to set aside a percentage of their sanctioning fees to fund it. They can always create some new belts to gather the money, still plenty of precious stones to get through yet.

ewenhay wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:20

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:06 Warren is right. Problem is, he’s no different. He spends all day championing a drug cheat in Tyson Fury, even to the point where he is talking about Jarrell Miller, another drug cheat, being Fury’s potential next opponent! The sport is a joke

Totally agree. It's a complete joke now.

I think we need biological passports for top fighters. I'd pilot this with the top 20 heavyweights.

Random and regular out of competition testing also required.

Governing bodies should be made to set aside a percentage of their sanctioning fees to fund it. They can always create some new belts to gather the money, still plenty of precious stones to get through yet.

Doesn't the testing for a 14-week training camp typically cost $40K for VADA testing?

We're talking at least $100K+ for fighters being tested all-year-round.

And when I say "all-year-round" testing, I mean that fighters are actually randomly and frequently tested "all-year-round", rather than simply signing-up for a program that claims that a fighter may be tested at any time during the year, but very little (if any) out-of-competition is performed at all (as per the CBP).

And who would pay for this testing? The governing bodies would simply raise their sanctioning fees from 3% to 10% or something like that (if they were forced to fund it)!

What you’re saying is ideal, but if no one will pay for it, then it’s simply not going to happen.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 12:24

ewenhay wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:20

Totally agree. It's a complete joke now.

I think we need biological passports for top fighters. I'd pilot this with the top 20 heavyweights.

Random and regular out of competition testing also required.

Governing bodies should be made to set aside a percentage of their sanctioning fees to fund it. They can always create some new belts to gather the money, still plenty of precious stones to get through yet.

Doesn't the testing for a 14-week training camp typically cost $40K for VADA testing?

We're talking at least $100K+ for fighters being tested all-year-round.

And when I say "all-year-round" testing, I mean that fighters are actually randomly and frequently tested "all-year-round", rather than simply signing-up for a program that claims that a fighter may be tested at any time during the year, but very little (if any) out-of-competition is performed at all (as per the CBP).

And who would pay for this testing? The governing bodies would simply raise their sanctioning fees from 3% to 10% or something like that (if they were forced to fund it)!

What you’re saying is ideal, but if no one will pay for it, then it’s simply not going to happen.

Greed will prevent it happening.

The first governing body brave enough to do it would win the alphabet race though.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 09:06 Warren is right. Problem is, he’s no different. He spends all day championing a drug cheat in Tyson Fury, even to the point where he is talking about Jarrell Miller, another drug cheat, being Fury’s potential next opponent! The sport is a joke

Don't forget BJS.