PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58
I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.
Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.
Yeah, don’t listen to this guy ^^^
I would advise you don’t give up your day job.
So, who do you pick and why? What expertise do you have? Have you picked any fight s successfully?
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 03:33
by Best Coast
I expect AJ to win by clearcut decision or late-round KO, especially if he fights Ruiz as cautiously as Wilder fought Ortiz in their recent rematch. If AJ gets drawn into another brawl like the first time, his chances of winning go down exponentially.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 03:40
by Evander
If Joshua loses I'm blaming it on global warming.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 04:50
by Enlightened-One
Best Coast wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 03:33
I expect AJ to win by clearcut decision or late-round KO, especially if he fights Ruiz as cautiously as Wilder fought Ortiz in their recent rematch. If AJ gets drawn into another brawl like the first time, his chances of winning go down exponentially.
Apart from the few seconds when AJ tried to finish off Ruiz Jr. immediately after the first knockdown, the fight wasn't a brawl. Joshua basically circled the ring and retreated throughout the duration of the entire bout.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 05:14
by Evander
The style of Ruiz and the way he throws his punches and moves, it's ok but doesn't wow me.
His will to win, in the trenches, slug it out over a number of rounds ... yeah I think he has that in him.
If the last weigh in they had is anything to go by Ruiz set a solid pace with his upper body, yeah he's fat but he has an unusual upper body mechanism that allows his frame to shoot the shots.
His body to legs is disproportionate, don't look right do it.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 07:27
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- Physically Fat Andy is a one off, and by record, AJ a modern day record setter dethroned, hence a seminal rematch in exotic locale.
Pinpoint Iranian missiles KOed half the Saudi oil production months ago, so would they?
Besotted British miscreants befouled Andy the first fight resulting in a pooch belly Toby/Lenny the Lamb hugfest when AJ fell as American derelicts popped up like mushrooms after a spring rain.
I saw Andy making a battle before succumbing in the 7th, but No Way Jose kicked the door down to become the first unified Mexican heavy Champ in history(his self identity though born on the US side of the border.)
The only unified champ to win the immediate rematch is Floyd Patterson(spare me your Lewis moans as he had started selling his titles to Don King.)
So this is a big rumble of record setters. I think AJ finishes what he started in the 4th of the first fight with no guarantee that Snickers Andy can actually be cracked.
In short, 50-50 in a great era of heavywts thanks to these two unlikely Mutt & Jeff combos. May the best man win...
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 07:45
by Evander
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 07:27
Pinpoint Iranian missiles KOed half the Saudi oil production months ago, so would they?
Besotted British miscreants befouled Andy the first fight resulting in a pooch belly Toby/Lenny the Lamb hugfest when AJ fell as American derelicts popped up like mushrooms after a spring rain.
You just put yourself on the No Fly list what the F R U talking about man ?
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 08:57
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 09:45
by Ruthless-RKO
is he 235 pounds??
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 09:49
by gregregegg
237 is about what i thought aj would be, but 283 has me a bit shocked, is he wearing lead shoes for mind games?
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 09:57
by Enlightened-One
Andy Ruiz Jr’s weight seems little weird to me.
It seems far too heavy to me.
He kept saying that he’s anticipating Joshua’s gameplan (fighting on the retreat, moving around the ring, boxing and jabbing), but then the Mexican decides to be heavy, which will surely affect his footwork.
Strange!
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:00
by DrDuke
Ruiz' strength is in the snickers. It looks like, he had even more of them now. Joshua is sentenced to the brutal KO.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:16
by Ruthless-RKO
Come on guys, he had all his clothes on.. He's done this on purpose, to get people talking, give AJ some confidence etc..
How much would he have weighed had he taken off his clothes.??
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:25
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:31
by tiny_acres
Did Ruiz train?
Is he fat from living the good life.
I was predicting Ruiz by ko again.
But now I just don't know
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:41
by Onetimeonly
gregregegg wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 09:49
237 is about what i thought aj would be, but 283 has me a bit shocked, is he wearing lead shoes for mind games?
I was expecting 300
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:41
by Enlightened-One
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 10:16
Come on guys, he had all his clothes on.. He's done this on purpose, to get people talking, give AJ some confidence etc..
How much would he have weighed had he taken off his clothes.??
Perhaps you’re right. I don’t really know either way.
His clothes would have only weighed a few pounds though, unless he had concealed weights underneath his tracksuit bottoms. But six kilos’ worth? I highly doubt it somehow.
The Mexican-American looked impressive during the public workout and his physique didn’t look any worse for wear due to carrying the extra weight, having tipped the scales his heaviest for more than a decade.
I guess we won’t know until fight time, because if the weight gain isn’t artificial, his stamina and footwork would surely suffer as a result of it.
I also have mixed emotions about AJ’s weight loss and how he achieved it. 10bs isn’t a lot of weight to lose for most heavyweights, but Joshua was ripped to shreds, meaning he could have only lost muscle. And it’s physically impossible to target specific areas of the body when losing weight.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
gregregegg wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 09:49
237 is about what i thought aj would be, but 283 has me a bit shocked, is he wearing lead shoes for mind games?
I was expecting 300
Saad - do you think this makes Joshua by decision more or less likely?
On the one hand Ruiz won’t be able to close the distance as quickly and reduces his offensive threat to make the rounds more boring and make it more of a distance affair, on the other I feel like it’s got to affect Ruiz’s cardio , and also gives Aj more flabby body to aim at which is a stoppage outlet.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 10:53
by Tony1244
283
If Ruiz is trying to sell that he isn't ready, I'm buying....
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 11:44
by margaret thatcher
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 10:16
Come on guys, he had all his clothes on.. He's done this on purpose, to get people talking, give AJ some confidence etc..
How much would he have weighed had he taken off his clothes.??
Ya that tank top must've weighed at least 20 pounds
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
If Ruiz is trying to sell that he isn't ready, I'm buying....
He's been working out.. He's a big dude.. Let's not forget muscle weighs more than fat.. He actually looks better than he did the first fight.
No he looks like more of a tub of goo. No way he's put on like 15 pounds of muscle in a few months either. Face it he's even fatter this time, the simple truth
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 11:56
by Ruthless-RKO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 11:51
No he looks like more of a tub of goo. No way he's put on like 15 pounds of muscle in a few months either. Face it he's even fatter this time, the simple truth
No chance. He's not gonna fight any lesser..
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
Posted: 06 Dec 2019, 11:57
by Bard of Boxrec
Ruiz is a guy who’s clearly used to being fat, but THIS fat, against THIS guy? That’s a different story
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 11:51
No he looks like more of a tub of goo. No way he's put on like 15 pounds of muscle in a few months either. Face it he's even fatter this time, the simple truth
No chance. He's not gonna fight any lesser..
However he fights, he is now even fatter than before, it's not clothes or muscle and he doesn't look better.
All that talk of losing weight, those flattering photos and the 'he's no Buster', and then he turns up like this!
He must think he just has AJ's number whatever the weight. Who knows he may be right
