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Fray Bentos wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:33

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24

Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....

The crux of the problem are the promoters paying the officials off. Of course, they won't sanction them because they can cause trouble and put the BBB of C out of business.

The day I realised the level of corruption in British boxing was the day I lost interest in it. The 'sport' is rotten to its core. O'Connor is just the most obvious tumor but it goes far deeper than him.

There would seem to be no other obvious reason other than the financial benefits to everyone involved that come from a house fighter winning for Tel to put that scorecard in but what I don’t get is why make it soooo wide.

Just to play devil’s advocate .... maybe Tel is just absolutely hopeless at scoring fights ?

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:39

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:33

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24

Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....

The crux of the problem are the promoters paying the officials off. Of course, they won't sanction them because they can cause trouble and put the BBB of C out of business.

The day I realised the level of corruption in British boxing was the day I lost interest in it. The 'sport' is rotten to its core. O'Connor is just the most obvious tumor but it goes far deeper than him.

There would seem to be no other obvious reason other than the financial benefits to everyone involved that come from a house fighter winning for Tel to put that scorecard in but what I don’t get is why make it soooo wide.

Just to play devil’s advocate .... maybe Tel is just absolutely hopeless at scoring fights ?

Maybe, he is secretly disgusted at it too and he is trying in his own way to highlight the corruption! By putting in that score, he is telling the world the whole thing is bent. No-one can deny it isn't happening even if they're not willing to do anything about it. Anyway, time to go to work.

Can I just point out a Japanese promoter has got a ¥500,000 fine for MOVING seats at a show recently and another got that fine AND A 6 month licenses suspension for having drunk ring card girls at a show...

BBBofC on the other hand couldn't give a shit about a consistently bad promoter

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24 I wouldn’t be surprised if all the furore around this matter led to Tel voluntarily resigning in the next couple of months. Maybe Smith and the board didn’t want to be seen to be bullied into action by social media outrage even though it was justified on this occasion.

You have to think that they know what’s right and they know it’s time for Tel to go.

Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....

Your missing the point. It's not just Terry, the entire business model is flawed,out of touch and out of date. Remember the old farts in Rugby? As soon as most them went Rugby reinvented itself for the better

Muttley wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 07:06

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24 I wouldn’t be surprised if all the furore around this matter led to Tel voluntarily resigning in the next couple of months. Maybe Smith and the board didn’t want to be seen to be bullied into action by social media outrage even though it was justified on this occasion.

You have to think that they know what’s right and they know it’s time for Tel to go.

Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....

Your missing the point. It's not just Terry, the entire business model is flawed,out of touch and out of date. Remember the old farts in Rugby? As soon as most them went Rugby reinvented itself for the better

This whole fiasco is the very reason then fightnight scores was created!
Is a simple addition to the usual scoring system. Add a reason why the round was scored as it was, from a list of plausible and different potential reasons.

It's not earth shattering stuff, but it adds SOME accountability to a judges scorecard. It's a snapshot into their thinking at that specific time. And it can be questioned at a later time if required.

Some background infro here: https://fight-score.com/about


Now obiously for a system to be used would also mean using digital scorecards....that would be a bit change.
Boxing must be the only sport in 2020 to use pencil and paper

As suggested earlier, if he is corrupt then he's abysmal at disguising it. Surely you'd throw a few more rounds Vasquez's way just to make it less obvious?

Smith's response to this has been shameful though, he needs to challenge terrible scoring and not try and hide it behind "It's all subjective innit, judging".

I also think the phone outrage/nonsense (and it clearly wasn't a phone as soon as anyone bothered to watch the footage)distracted from the real issue.

I see the result has been slammed in boxing news which is good to see. Alex Arthur apparently had Ritson winning too

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 08:32 I see the result has been slammed in boxing news which is good to see. Alex Arthur apparently had Ritson winning too

Arthur was working for DAZN so... Wouldn't totally take his view as being neutral here

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 09:02

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 08:32 I see the result has been slammed in boxing news which is good to see. Alex Arthur apparently had Ritson winning too

Arthur was working for DAZN so... Wouldn't totally take his view as being neutral here

Glass Joe wrote: ↑19 Oct 2020, 16:15

Yeah, it was his scorecards, phone wouldn't have made sense. Just a crap judge

Bullshit,thats not a score card,why is he using his thumb to activate the screen of a scorecard? Also wouldnt the ink run under his big fat armpit?

magnus wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 15:50 As suggested earlier, if he is corrupt then he's abysmal at disguising it. Surely you'd throw a few more rounds Vasquez's way just to make it less obvious?

Smith's response to this has been shameful though, he needs to challenge terrible scoring and not try and hide it behind "It's all subjective innit, judging".

I also think the phone outrage/nonsense (and it clearly wasn't a phone as soon as anyone bothered to watch the footage)distracted from the real issue.

could just be so shameful that he doesnt even care about disguising it

Muttley wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 07:06

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24 I wouldn’t be surprised if all the furore around this matter led to Tel voluntarily resigning in the next couple of months. Maybe Smith and the board didn’t want to be seen to be bullied into action by social media outrage even though it was justified on this occasion.

You have to think that they know what’s right and they know it’s time for Tel to go.

Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....

Your missing the point. It's not just Terry, the entire business model is flawed,out of touch and out of date. Remember the old farts in Rugby? As soon as most them went Rugby reinvented itself for the better

Fair comment but you have to start somewhere and one of the most rotten apples going would be a positive move.