Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury II - 22 February 2020

[danconnollyeire]

I do not by the fact that fury does not have power. It is clear that his style is not power dependent. If a guy that big hit you square in the face, you are going to feel! I think Urie wants to show that he is not one-dimensional

Yeah of course, he can hurt for sure. Can't remember him one-shot KOing anyone ever but certainly can stop people

[Coco]

Tyson isn't a banger, never has been, he set his feet against Chisora and hit him with what he wanted but couldn't blast him out.

[DrDuke]

Surely, Fury isn't a puncher, but he isn't feather-fisted either. He actually rocked Wilder on several occasions. Of course, he won't KO Wilder in 2 and even in any other round, but he can trouble Wilder with his shots.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Surely, Fury isn't a puncher, but he isn't feather-fisted either. He actually rocked Wilder on several occasions. Of course, he won't KO Wilder in 2 and even in any other round, but he can trouble Wilder with his shots.

And anytime Wilder threw too much and ended up missing he kept getting a little gassed. Which then allowed Fury to land his combos etc.

[Cyclops]

The problem with rematches, based on these two men's fight histories, is that both men are better in return bouts than in the first encounters.

I'd argue that Fury is better in returns than Wilder, because Wilder's return bout opponents were either much older or they showed up just for a check and did nothing, so it's not a good gauge but Wilder has performed better in returns regardless.

I think too much was made of the Wallin fight, although I was pissed that Fury allowed himself to become that distracted and basically lazy. Wallin, I don't care what Arum said, was supposed to be a non-threat. Fury figured he was nothing, slacked off, and Wallin can guns blazing.

That being said, Wallin couldn't really do anything. Even with Fury being basically one-eyed and bloody all over the place, lost every single round after he cut Fury. That's pretty bad you can't out-box or out-slug a guy who is fighting half blind. Wallin did demonstrate, though, him having tremendous heart and quite a chin in his own right. He nearly went down on a few occasions.

This all being said, since Wilder IS a threat Fury will be all-in, no messing about and taking it seriously. I've seen Fury many times look poorly or average, only to come back looking untouchable.

My only concern is that only an idiot would fight the same way they did the first time around, so Wilder certainly will try to be more patient and will be encouraged to incorporate body shots to set up the head shots.

Then again, if he drew with arguably the worst version of Fury, it's hard to imagine him having much success if Fury brings his A game and is in tip top shape, being faster than before and asserting more authority in the than just throwing jabs like the first fight--- he did have success in backing Wilder up and even hurting him, in the first fight, when he threw "one-two" punches, but Davison forced him to revert back to boxing safely.

The recent development of Joshua joining the Fury camp as basically head sparring partner, I think is greatly beneficial to Fury because the lighter, faster more mobile version of Joshua (who hits nearly as hard as Wilder) can only prepare Fury for any and all possible dangers Wilder may present.

Still, I would say this is a 50/50 proposition. For me, it's a fight that wasnt necessary to have been made, because most people thought Fury won the first fight to begin with. Why go over old ground? But I know that the demand is high and Fury must believe that he needs to beat Wilder in a shut-out, otherwise nobody will buy into a Fury-Joshua fight one hundred percent.

I'm with Fury all the way, but I will be honest it's more difficult to predict how this match will go than it was predicting the first fight. It'll be much more difficult for both men to look like anything. I think both men will nullify eachother and it'll literally come down to a round or two of action. So I think it'll be a majority decision, if not a split decision, for Tyson Fury--- because after all, the powers that be are already setting up a third fight, so expect some screwy scoring, even if Fury is the unanimous winner. When the words "split decision" is uttered, it'll make people pissed, and therefore sell the trilogy.

Jesus bless you all

I agree with a lot of this. I thought, watching the first press conference, when they talked about rematches and Fury had to remind them he'd had two also. The McDermott fight, which was a close fight that most thought he'd lost: stopped McDermott in the rematch. Chisora - completely dominated and beat up Dereck until he gave up in the rematch. Didn't even get out of second gear.

I changed my mind. I thought Fury was going to get knocked out. Now I'm going with he dominates and beats Wilder up and gets a win via mercy stoppage.

[margaret thatcher]

Someone's rematch track record about to get messed up

[Ruthless-RKO]

Someone's rematch track record about to get messed up

Flipping great when 0’s are gone and these other small records are broken.

[gilgamesh]

Someone's 0 has got to go

[gilgamesh]

By the way just an interesting side thought that just occurred to me. How often have guys fought 2 draws in a row? It's gotta be astronomical the odds of that happening right? Because the odds of one draw are always huge, let alone 2 in a row.

The only time I've ever seen it is Dorian Beaupierre vs Daniel Edouard. 2 draws in a row, both times one of the guys had an argument for he deserved the decision so in a way it was poetic justice. Both that they had won once, neither ever actually had.

Any other instances of multiple draws particularly in a row in Boxing history? I might need to make another thread of this in the history section, but I'll just let it linger about as a post here first.

[oogiebe]

By the way just an interesting side thought that just occurred to me. How often have guys fought 2 draws in a row? It's gotta be astronomical the odds of that happening right? Because the odds of one draw are always huge, let alone 2 in a row.

The only time I've ever seen it is Dorian Beaupierre vs Daniel Edouard. 2 draws in a row, both times one of the guys had an argument for he deserved the decision so in a way it was poetic justice. Both that they had won once, neither ever actually had.

Any other instances of multiple draws particularly in a row in Boxing history? I might need to make another thread of this in the history section, but I'll just let it linger about as a post here first.

Seen some on Google. one was Jesus "Chiquiro” Martinez (20-0-2, 13 KOs) and Alejandro “Peque” Santiago (16-2-4, 7 KOs) in 2018. I personally don't remember any consecutive draws between two fighters.

[margaret thatcher]

Craig Evans and Tom Stalker did it back to back, both split draws (1-1-1) too

[dr_devious]

Someone's 0 has got to go

Unless its another draw, Fury wins most of the rounds and Wilder knocks him down a couple of times again.............

[Ruthless-RKO]

Someone's 0 has got to go

Unless its another draw, Fury wins most of the rounds and Wilder knocks him down a couple of times again.............

The only way to even out the scorecards.

[mickey1975]

Graham Fearn/tijuna1 did two draws in a week.

[dr_devious]

Unless its another draw, Fury wins most of the rounds and Wilder knocks him down a couple of times again.............

The only way to even out the scorecards.

It's very possible if both of them are still on their feet at the end of 12 rounds. Fury is going to struggle to get a decision in America

[Coco]

The only way to even out the scorecards.

It's very possible if both of them are still on their feet at the end of 12 rounds. Fury is going to struggle to get a decision in America

Adding up the points in the last fight, I felt Fury won clearly.

[dr_devious]

He did win clearly to me as well, by about 4 points, but he still didn't get the decision which is why I think he will struggle to get a points verdict in America. He alluded to this himself in the presser this week.

[Stuarty]

I thought Tyson won the first fight. It WAS close because of the KDs. No denying that in my opinion. I remember years ago watching Margacheato v Mosely (i think) and one of the commentators (Steward i think) said... 'he'll have to swim without getting wet'... or something like that lol... Same applies to Tyson...

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fury asking Okolie and Riakporhe for help

[cormack]

Fury asking Okolie and Riakporhe for help

is that a poundland wilder

[Ambling Alp II]

He did win clearly to me as well, by about 4 points, but he still didn't get the decision which is why I think he will struggle to get a points verdict in America. He alluded to this himself in the presser this week.

Not sure why it would matter that the fight is in the United States. Americans have lost many close decisions to fighters from other countries in the United States. It's not like Wilder is some huge favorite in the United States anyway.
Depends more on what happens in the fight and who the judges are.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Fury asking Okolie and Riakporhe for help

By asking you mean paying them to be sparring partners

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fury asking Okolie and Riakporhe for help

By asking you mean paying them to be sparring partners

Yah. How else they gonna help.

[dr_devious]

He did win clearly to me as well, by about 4 points, but he still didn't get the decision which is why I think he will struggle to get a points verdict in America. He alluded to this himself in the presser this week.

Not sure why it would matter that the fight is in the United States. Americans have lost many close decisions to fighters from other countries in the United States. It's not like Wilder is some huge favorite in the United States anyway.
Depends more on what happens in the fight and who the judges are.

It mattered the first time Alp

[Grilling Machine]

For me this is the first time Fury's taken a rematch where he wasn't the favourite. I'm sure he fancied beating McDermott and Chisora in their rematches, but didn't face the reignited Wlad. I think Wilder will stop him this time if he believes in himself more and lets his hands go earlier, but that confidence remains to be seen.

Fury's good at making those with the tools to beat him choke with self-doubt.