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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 15:31 Fres is so good that he's ranked even 6 years after he's last fought, don't underestimate the great man

Jaywheel wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 15:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 13:32
I'd argue that all of these guys weighed roughly 240lbs or more, with the vast majority being 6' 4" or more:

• Anthony Joshua
• Andy Ruiz Jr
• Charles Martin
• Tyson Fury
• Wladimir Klitschko
• Vitali Klitschko
• Lennox Lewis
• George Foreman
• Riddick Bowe
• Samuel Peter
• Oleg Maskaev
• Frank Bruno
• James Douglas
• Ruslan Chagaev
• Lucas Browne
• Nikolay Valuev
• John Ruiz
• Joseph Parker
• Shannon Briggs

Notable mentions: Bermane Stiverne & Hasim Rahman weighed roughly 240lbs (238lbs & 239lbs) for their title bouts.

For sure, one or two might be half an inch or so shorter than 6' 4", but ValMar's criteria was fabricated in his own mind and a centimetre discrepancy doesn't really endorse his argument.

If you review the amount of title bouts since 1993, I'd also argue that the vast majority of the world heavyweight champions and title defences were performed by really big men.

For the record, my point is perfectly valid, the heavyweight title scene has been dominated by tall heavy men since the mid-nineties (i.e. Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury etc.).

If I listed the amount of heavyweight title fights involving at least one fighter weighing 240lbs or more since 1993, the stats are staggering, because it's nearly all of them.

And I think you're smart enough to realise this.

4 out of 21 on that list would stand a chance at beating Liston, and none of them is current. Fucken lol at Brown, Parker and Martin.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 16:49

Jaywheel wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 15:16

4 out of 21 on that list would stand a chance at beating Liston, and none of them is current. Fucken lol at Brown, Parker and Martin.

Stop being ignorant and review the context of my post.

I was asked to provide a list of world heavyweight champions that all weighed 240lbs and were also close to 6’4” or taller.

That was the true context of my post.

Nothing else was being claimed.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 12:38

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 12:27 Its ok to think liston is overrated and beat smaller fighters therefore he would have issues with bigger men of today. But the way he argues is so poor and hes so sure hes brilliant it is just hilarious

He talks about red herring arguments; he is the master of that. His "logic" is Liston never beat anyone who weighed more than 230, so therefore he couldn't have beaten anyone who weighed more than 230.

He doesn't like facts such as Liston's and Louis' best opponents, weren't their biggest opponents.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 15:34 Ali was dropped by henry cooper so surely he has no chance against george foreman

Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 18:23 Oh Enlightened-One, in your humble opinion who were Louis' best opponents. I've asked you before, but I know you are a busy man.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 14:57

Jaywheel wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 14:51 You mean like Andy Ruiz training and dietary progressed?

Prime Andy Ruiz Jr. beats 1963 Sonny Liston, because size matters.

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 May 2020, 21:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 May 2020, 14:57

Prime Andy Ruiz Jr. beats 1963 Sonny Liston, because size matters.

This was my favorite post so far.

lazboy wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 04:04 Eo’s an embarrassment.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 04:12

lazboy wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 04:04 Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you objectively prove that, using substantiated data?

lazboy wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 04:04 Eo’s an embarrassment.

ValMar wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 05:45

lazboy wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 04:04 Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you prove this on the proper way ?

lazboy wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 06:01

ValMar wrote: ↑28 May 2020, 05:45

Can you prove this on the proper way ?

Am I correct or not? All I need is a “yes” or “no” answer.