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IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:12

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:56

I think the Duran rematch is more superior than anything Floyd did at welterweight. Duran had to be P4P 1 after edging Leonard the first time and was what 72-1?

I don't, only based on circumstances. Duran flat out quit and tainted that entire fight and robbed Leonard of the revenge he truly deserved.

Had Duran not quit I would agree. Due to the circumstances, I can't see how him beating a quieter is greater than anything Floyd accomplished.

Although I understand it's not of any fault of Leonards.

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:12

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:56

I think the Duran rematch is more superior than anything Floyd did at welterweight. Duran had to be P4P 1 after edging Leonard the first time and was what 72-1?

I don't, only based on circumstances. Duran flat out quit and tainted that entire fight and robbed Leonard of the revenge he truly deserved.

Had Duran not quit I would agree. Due to the circumstances, I can't see how him beating a quieter is greater than anything Floyd accomplished.

Although I understand it's not of any fault of Leonards.

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:24

world ranked wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:17

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:57

In theory that's true, but Pacquiao's style changed in those 5 years more than Floyd's had.

Now Pacquiao style is the reason he lost come on stop.

Pacquiao over the years transformed into more a boxer. He needed to be reckless against Floyd like Maidana was.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:57 Pacquiao was too scared to take the Mayweather fight in 2010, because of drug testing.

Both teams had agreed the financial terms and drug testing was the only reason why the bout didn’t take place in 2010.

world ranked wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:25

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:12

I don't, only based on circumstances. Duran flat out quit and tainted that entire fight and robbed Leonard of the revenge he truly deserved.

Had Duran not quit I would agree. Due to the circumstances, I can't see how him beating a quieter is greater than anything Floyd accomplished.

Although I understand it's not of any fault of Leonards.

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

Itr still wouldn't matter. The excuse of Pacquiao not being prime would come up. Please see some of these previous post.

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:26

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:12

I don't, only based on circumstances. Duran flat out quit and tainted that entire fight and robbed Leonard of the revenge he truly deserved.

Had Duran not quit I would agree. Due to the circumstances, I can't see how him beating a quieter is greater than anything Floyd accomplished.

Although I understand it's not of any fault of Leonards.

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

I didn't say the win didn't matter. But in the manner Duran quit tainted that fight. And if Pacquaio quit in the most cowardice way like Duran did in the 2nd Leonard fight, the win wouldn't be nearly as significant.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:30

world ranked wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:25

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

Itr still wouldn't matter. The excuse of Pacquiao not being prime would come up. Please see some of these previous post.

No one said the Pacquiao win didn't matter, just that he wasn't the same as he was 5 years prior, which is true.

world ranked wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:40

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:30

world ranked wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:25

Itr still wouldn't matter. The excuse of Pacquiao not being prime would come up. Please see some of these previous post.

No one said the Pacquiao win didn't matter, just that he wasn't the same as he was 5 years prior, which is true.

I just got the feeling if Pacquaio would have won this point wouldn't be true which shows hella bias in public perception though both was outside of prime.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:59 It seems that people are trying to bury inconvenient facts beneath irrelevant posts, because they find them embarrassing.

Pacquiao was too scared to take the Mayweather fight in 2010, because of drug testing.

Both teams had agreed the financial terms and drug testing was the only reason why the bout didn’t take place in 2010.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:32

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:26

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:22

Leonard made him quit, a 72-1 fighter. Whether he did or not, the win was still a great win. I bet if Floyd made Pacquiao quit, no one would be saying that the win didn't matter.

I didn't say the win didn't matter. But in the manner Duran quit tainted that fight. And if Pacquaio quit in the most cowardice way like Duran did in the 2nd Leonard fight, the win wouldn't be nearly as significant.

Duran was P4P 1 when Leonard beat him. Was Pacquiao even #2?

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:07

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:32

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:26
I didn't say the win didn't matter. But in the manner Duran quit tainted that fight. And if Pacquaio quit in the most cowardice way like Duran did in the 2nd Leonard fight, the win wouldn't be nearly as significant.

Duran was P4P 1 when Leonard beat him. Was Pacquiao even #2?

What does it really matter what Duran's mythical P4P status was at the time? He quit in one of the most shameful ways we've ever seen a top fighter quit.

Floyd at least beat a Pacquaio that tried to win.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:15 A dude quitting is a reflection of what his opponent was doing to him, when they fought the first time Duran didn't quit, lol I wonder why!

It acatually makes it more impressive, Duran was generally a warrior and only Leonard did that to him

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:15 A dude quitting is a reflection of what his opponent was doing to him, when they fought the first time Duran didn't quit, lol I wonder why!

It acatually makes it more impressive, Duran was generally a warrior and only Leonard did that to him

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:25 Leonard was outboxing him clearly and broke him in a way no one else ever did, it was a great win for Ray

Thomastearns wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 15:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:59 It seems that people are trying to bury inconvenient facts beneath irrelevant posts, because they find them embarrassing.

Pacquiao was too scared to take the Mayweather fight in 2010, because of drug testing.

Both teams had agreed the financial terms and drug testing was the only reason why the bout didn’t take place in 2010.

Whilst you're busy implying that Pacquiao was juicing, what about Mayweather?

As far as we know, neither failed a test, but do you believe he was clean?

A yes or no answer will do, thank you.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 19:29

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:25 Leonard was outboxing him clearly and broke him in a way no one else ever did, it was a great win for Ray

Fight was pretty much even at the time..maybe ray I round ahead

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:07

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:32

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:26
I didn't say the win didn't matter. But in the manner Duran quit tainted that fight. And if Pacquaio quit in the most cowardice way like Duran did in the 2nd Leonard fight, the win wouldn't be nearly as significant.

Duran was P4P 1 when Leonard beat him. Was Pacquiao even #2?

What does it really matter what Duran's mythical P4P status was at the time? He quit in one of the most shameful ways we've ever seen a top fighter quit.

Floyd at least beat a Pacquaio that tried to win.

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:15 A dude quitting is a reflection of what his opponent was doing to him, when they fought the first time Duran didn't quit, lol I wonder why!

It acatually makes it more impressive, Duran was generally a warrior and only Leonard did that to him

Duran wasn't beat up and battered around the ring. He wasn't even really out of the fight, he just straight up quit. So Duran's shameful act of whatever the fornicate that was reflects Leonard's greatness?

I have to disagree, it only proves at that point Duran committed a boxing sin and straight up robbed Leonard of a fair chance at true revenge.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:13

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:07

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 14:32

Duran was P4P 1 when Leonard beat him. Was Pacquiao even #2?

What does it really matter what Duran's mythical P4P status was at the time? He quit in one of the most shameful ways we've ever seen a top fighter quit.

Floyd at least beat a Pacquaio that tried to win.

Pacquiao didn't try to win. The 2010 Pacquiao would've tried to win.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:18

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:13

NateJR wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 16:07

What does it really matter what Duran's mythical P4P status was at the time? He quit in one of the most shameful ways we've ever seen a top fighter quit.

Floyd at least beat a Pacquaio that tried to win.

Pacquiao didn't try to win. The 2010 Pacquiao would've tried to win.

I've never seen Pacquiao fight that he wasn't trying to win.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:18

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:13
Pacquiao didn't try to win. The 2010 Pacquiao would've tried to win.

I've never seen Pacquiao fight that he wasn't trying to win.

Maybe it was the shoulder, maybe it was his age, but very seldomly did he try to sell out to win. Cotto took more risks against Floyd and Cotto is more susceptible to being stopped than Pacquiao is.