Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Luis Ortiz | FOX PPV - September 4, 2022

[gregregegg]

If wilder dosent fancy fighting ruiz then this fight should happen.

Only real PPV option left for Ortiz. and ruiz has to back himself to bust ortiz up, ortiz had no legs and was getting dropped by charls martins jab. Ortiz was a good counter puncher in his day, but i think ruiz (even though i dont rate him), has what it takes to just buldoze a 42 (plus cuban tax) year old Oriz. Always the risk of getting chinned on the way in, but once your in can just bully a gerriatric ortiz whos brain will tell his feet where to go, but feet wont get the message till the next round.

[joshj909]

If wilder dosent fancy fighting ruiz then this fight should happen.

Only real PPV option left for Ortiz. and ruiz has to back himself to bust ortiz up, ortiz had no legs and was getting dropped by charls martins jab. Ortiz was a good counter puncher in his day, but i think ruiz (even though i dont rate him), has what it takes to just buldoze a 42 (plus cuban tax) year old Oriz. Always the risk of getting chinned on the way in, but once your in can just bully a gerriatric ortiz whos brain will tell his feet where to go, but feet wont get the message till the next round.

Ruiz has shown himself to have good recovery in the few times that he's been dropped so even if Ortiz does catch him on the way in then I think he should be able to take it and go again.

[Bandog]

name dropping like ortiz did with aj (i want the fight! i fight aj for any money, any time, any place!), only to go quiet when an actual offer was made. at least andy had the cojones to step in, and as a result become a far bigger and more accomplished star than ortiz ever will

i think there's a good chance this one happens. the biggest all pbc heavyweight fight they can make with wilder not active at the moment. andy already fought better opponents than a guy who barely survived charles martin

Who gets the last laugh on that one? Fat Andy KO'd AJ. Besides that, as you well know, Ortiz chose to take the rematch with Wilder instead of AJ, which turned out to be a much tougher fight.

Barely survived Martin? He stopped Martin. Ruiz struggled with a shot Arreola.

[margaret thatcher]

name dropping like ortiz did with aj (i want the fight! i fight aj for any money, any time, any place!), only to go quiet when an actual offer was made. at least andy had the cojones to step in, and as a result become a far bigger and more accomplished star than ortiz ever will

i think there's a good chance this one happens. the biggest all pbc heavyweight fight they can make with wilder not active at the moment. andy already fought better opponents than a guy who barely survived charles martin

Who gets the last laugh on that one? Fat Andy KO'd AJ. Besides that, as you well know, Ortiz chose to take the rematch with Wilder instead of AJ, which turned out to be a much tougher fight.

Barely survived Martin? He stopped Martin. Ruiz struggled with a shot Arreola.

ya, andy beat aj and got dat glory and massive rematch money, ortiz got none of it

ortiz called out aj for the fight then ran off timidly when it was offered. if he was going to fight someone else anyway then he knew he wasnt going to fight aj and it just shows that he doesnt really mean it when he calls guys out. only guillable fools believe him

ortiz got dropped hard on his ass twice, old man looked like he had no legs. great come from behind ko over chuck martin though.

ya ruiz didnt look good at all vs arreola, i agree

[Bandog]

The main reason I don't think the Ruiz vs Ortiz fight will happen, is it is a no-win situation for Ruiz. It's like a 30 yr old guy fighting a 60 yr old in a street fight. Ridiculed either way, but worse if you lose.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The main reason I don't think the Ruiz vs Ortiz fight will happen, is it is a no-win situation for Ruiz. It's like a 30 yr old guy fighting a 60 yr old in a street fight. Ridiculed either way, but worse if you lose.

A lot of fights are no win situations for many HW's..

[Bandog]

The main reason I don't think the Ruiz vs Ortiz fight will happen, is it is a no-win situation for Ruiz. It's like a 30 yr old guy fighting a 60 yr old in a street fight. Ridiculed either way, but worse if you lose.

A lot of fights are no win situations for many HW's..

That is probably true in many cases, except for guys like Ortiz. At his age and stage in his career, a loss to any top 10 guy is almost expected. A loss to Ortiz in Ruiz's case, would set his career back. I'm just glad there are fights to watch.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

name dropping like ortiz did with aj (i want the fight! i fight aj for any money, any time, any place!), only to go quiet when an actual offer was made. at least andy had the cojones to step in, and as a result become a far bigger and more accomplished star than ortiz ever will

i think there's a good chance this one happens. the biggest all pbc heavyweight fight they can make with wilder not active at the moment. andy already fought better opponents than a guy who barely survived charles martin

Who gets the last laugh on that one? Fat Andy KO'd AJ. Besides that, as you well know, Ortiz chose to take the rematch with Wilder instead of AJ, which turned out to be a much tougher fight.

Barely survived Martin? He stopped Martin. Ruiz struggled with a shot Arreola.

ya, andy beat aj and got dat glory and massive rematch money, ortiz got none of it

ortiz called out aj for the fight then ran off timidly when it was offered. if he was going to fight someone else anyway then he knew he wasnt going to fight aj and it just shows that he doesnt really mean it when he calls guys out. only guillable fools believe him

ortiz got dropped hard on his ass twice, old man looked like he had no legs. great come from behind ko over chuck martin though.

ya ruiz didnt look good at all vs arreola, i agree

I was under the assumption ortiz knew hed fail a drug test so he declined joshua. Otherwise that made zero sense

Ruiz is buster douglas 2.0

[Bandog]

Who gets the last laugh on that one? Fat Andy KO'd AJ. Besides that, as you well know, Ortiz chose to take the rematch with Wilder instead of AJ, which turned out to be a much tougher fight.

Barely survived Martin? He stopped Martin. Ruiz struggled with a shot Arreola.

ya, andy beat aj and got dat glory and massive rematch money, ortiz got none of it

ortiz called out aj for the fight then ran off timidly when it was offered. if he was going to fight someone else anyway then he knew he wasnt going to fight aj and it just shows that he doesnt really mean it when he calls guys out. only guillable fools believe him

ortiz got dropped hard on his ass twice, old man looked like he had no legs. great come from behind ko over chuck martin though.

ya ruiz didnt look good at all vs arreola, i agree

I was under the assumption ortiz knew hed fail a drug test so he declined joshua. Otherwise that made zero sense

Ruiz is buster douglas 2.0

I've read different things about why Ortiz vs Joshua didn't happen. One was they wouldn't offer the same money as Fat Miller was offered, especially for a short notice fight. Another was Ortiz's camp or PBC lied, saying Ortiz was out of town. I think the real reason is he would make as much in a Wilder rematch, which seemed winnable after having Wilder out on his feet in a fight that should have been stopped.

[Enlightened-One]

Another was Ortiz's camp or PBC lied, saying Ortiz was out of town.

Team Ortiz actually told the media they lied about being low-balled, which they only did when Eddie Hearn threatened to expose their written correspondences.

[KiwiRider]

ya, andy beat aj and got dat glory and massive rematch money, ortiz got none of it

ortiz called out aj for the fight then ran off timidly when it was offered. if he was going to fight someone else anyway then he knew he wasnt going to fight aj and it just shows that he doesnt really mean it when he calls guys out. only guillable fools believe him

ortiz got dropped hard on his ass twice, old man looked like he had no legs. great come from behind ko over chuck martin though.

ya ruiz didnt look good at all vs arreola, i agree

I was under the assumption ortiz knew hed fail a drug test so he declined joshua. Otherwise that made zero sense

Ruiz is buster douglas 2.0

I've read different things about why Ortiz vs Joshua didn't happen. One was they wouldn't offer the same money as Fat Miller was offered, especially for a short notice fight. Another was Ortiz's camp or PBC lied, saying Ortiz was out of town. I think the real reason is he would make as much in a Wilder rematch, which seemed winnable after having Wilder out on his feet in a fight that should have been stopped.

Ortiz was eventually supposed to fight Joshua, once he was a bit more known in the UK.
Eddie signed him on, then dropped him due to poor performance is what Eddie himself said.
Which is why when Ortiz was set to fight Wilder, and everyone was excited that after 35+ fights Wilder was actually going to fight someone decent, I wasn't that enthused.
Credit to Ortiz though, he has made decent money off the back of one really good performance - beating Bryant Jennings in 2015.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I was under the assumption ortiz knew hed fail a drug test so he declined joshua. Otherwise that made zero sense

Ruiz is buster douglas 2.0

I've read different things about why Ortiz vs Joshua didn't happen. One was they wouldn't offer the same money as Fat Miller was offered, especially for a short notice fight. Another was Ortiz's camp or PBC lied, saying Ortiz was out of town. I think the real reason is he would make as much in a Wilder rematch, which seemed winnable after having Wilder out on his feet in a fight that should have been stopped.

Ortiz was eventually supposed to fight Joshua, once he was a bit more known in the UK.
Eddie signed him on, then dropped him due to poor performance is what Eddie himself said.
Which is why when Ortiz was set to fight Wilder, and everyone was excited that after 35+ fights Wilder was actually going to fight someone decent, I wasn't that enthused.
Credit to Ortiz though, he has made decent money off the back of one really good performance - beating Bryant Jennings in 2015.

He had two fights under Eddie.

A quick 8 rounder with Dave Allen, who he stopped late and then the Monte Carlo fight against the forgettable Malik Scott.

He didn’t exactly match him well.

But even since, Ortiz doesn’t alway look the best against most opponents.

[KiwiRider]

I've read different things about why Ortiz vs Joshua didn't happen. One was they wouldn't offer the same money as Fat Miller was offered, especially for a short notice fight. Another was Ortiz's camp or PBC lied, saying Ortiz was out of town. I think the real reason is he would make as much in a Wilder rematch, which seemed winnable after having Wilder out on his feet in a fight that should have been stopped.

Ortiz was eventually supposed to fight Joshua, once he was a bit more known in the UK.
Eddie signed him on, then dropped him due to poor performance is what Eddie himself said.
Which is why when Ortiz was set to fight Wilder, and everyone was excited that after 35+ fights Wilder was actually going to fight someone decent, I wasn't that enthused.
Credit to Ortiz though, he has made decent money off the back of one really good performance - beating Bryant Jennings in 2015.

He had two fights under Eddie.

A quick 8 rounder with Dave Allen, who he stopped late and then the Monte Carlo fight against the forgettable Malik Scott.

He didn’t exactly match him well.

But even since, Ortiz doesn’t alway look the best against most opponents.

Yep, Eddie's expectations were not realised. I was still up for the Ortiz Joshua fight- more than Joshua Takem anyway
But back then Eddie probably thought he could get Joshua Wilder done, bless his little optimistic heart

[Enlightened-One]

He had two fights under Eddie.

A quick 8 rounder with Dave Allen, who he stopped late and then the Monte Carlo fight against the forgettable Malik Scott.

He didn’t exactly match him well.

But even since, Ortiz doesn’t alway look the best against most opponents.

Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz has been competing in the paid ranks for more then twelve years.

If you excluded the likes of Deontay Wilder, Charles Martin and Bryant Jennings from consideration, you’ll be hard pressed to find better names on the Cuban’s resume than Dave Allen and Malik Scott.

Matchroom obviously pit the allegedly “fearsome” ‘King Kong’ Ortiz against Malik Scott for comparison purposes, attempting to prove the Cuban was every bit as deadly as Deontay Wilder.

However, Ortiz delivered a terribly dire performance against the American, which was so bad that it could have made a glass eye go to sleep. Even the commentary team apologised to its viewers during the broadcast.

And Matchroom clearly tried using Dave Allen as the sacrificial lamb to sell the Cuban’s “devastating power” to the UK viewing audience, especially considering the Brit has/had a huge social media following in that territory (big enough to have even headlined his own events).

But what transpired was that Luis Ortiz delivered another uninspired performance in what was arguably (back then) regarded as the Cuban’s second most competitive contest to-date.

Matchroom ended up refraining from working with Ortiz after both of those two lacklustre performances.

And Sky Sports were clearly disappointed, because they heavily pushed the Cuban, but Ortiz failed to deliver. Some of the articles they posted trying to "sell" the "fearsome King Kong" to its viewers were outrageously over-the-top, but I suspect most punters switched-off as soon as they realised he wasn't anywhere near as good as advertised.

People probably forget how much Sky Sports tried to sell Luis Ortiz to the UK market, so here's an example:

"'The Real King Kong' Luis Ortiz ready to finally announce himself"

"They call him 'The Real King Kong' and even the original on-screen gorilla might think twice before arguing with that. Ortiz, the unbeaten heavyweight, might be the most dangerous man in the sport...

"Ortiz has been too good for his own good. For years, the risk of fighting him wasn't worth it to your piggy bank... he has finally understood the need to address his unwanted position as the most avoided fighter in the world.

"His amateur record is said to be 343-19 but again, it is impossible to verify exactly how many crumpled bodies the enigma has left in his wake...

"He fled to Miami, specifically the 5th Street Gym that Muhammad Ali called home, to join the paid ranks but has remained no more than a haunting figure in the nightmares of world heavyweight champions...

"Ortiz, who at 37 is battle-hardened yet unscathed... and it will take serious force to drag King Kong down from the tower."

Matchroom UK had a decent roster of heavyweights in their stable in 2016, but why would they have possibly considered pitting the unproven heavily-hyped Cuban that can't speak English against any of its biggest names on the back of those two poor performances?

[Ruthless-RKO]

I don’t think anyone blamed Ortiz for how his fight went against Scott. I think you need to watch it again.

It was all Scott. I only watched it live and that fight unfortunately sticks to the mind of how Scott was acting.

[margaret thatcher]

too bad ortiz was unable to stop scott, like chisora did, and spare observors the misery of watching that crappy fight. shouldve applied more pressure. scott was negative but ortiz plodded around and didnt put his punches together enough either. also gassed a bit

i did enjoy his come from behind, up off the canvas multiple times, win over charles martin though.

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t think anyone blamed Ortiz for how his fight went against Scott. I think you need to watch it again.

It was all Scott. I only watched it live and that fight unfortunately sticks to the mind of how Scott was acting.

Luis Ortiz should have stopped Malik Scott.

The Cuban was following the American around the ring in straight lines. Ortiz didn’t know how to cut the ring off.

Luis Ortiz made a huge mistake in that fight by trying to load up with powerful counters, waiting for the American to throw a punch, which resulted in the Cuban only throwing one shot at a time, rather than throwing combinations.

The Sky Sports team criticised Luis Ortiz for his lacklustre performance and argued that the Cuban should have disposed of the American.

Watch the fight again, if you’ve got a strong enough stomach to tolerate so much tedium for 52 minutes.

[Bandog]

I don’t think anyone blamed Ortiz for how his fight went against Scott. I think you need to watch it again.

It was all Scott. I only watched it live and that fight unfortunately sticks to the mind of how Scott was acting.

Luis Ortiz should have stopped Malik Scott.

The Cuban was following the American around the ring in straight lines. Ortiz didn’t know how to cut the ring off.

Luis Ortiz made a huge mistake in that fight by trying to load up with powerful counters, waiting for the American to throw a punch, which resulted in the Cuban only throwing one shot at a time, rather than throwing combinations.

The Sky Sports team criticised Luis Ortiz for his lacklustre performance and argued that the Cuban should have disposed of the American.

Watch the fight again, if you’ve got a strong enough stomach to tolerate so much tedium for 52 minutes.

Ortiz simply didn't have the foots peed to catch up with Scott, who ran from Ortiz the whole time. It's pretty cynical to criticize Ortiz instead of the guy running away, like is usually the case.

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t think anyone blamed Ortiz for how his fight went against Scott. I think you need to watch it again.

It was all Scott. I only watched it live and that fight unfortunately sticks to the mind of how Scott was acting.

Luis Ortiz should have stopped Malik Scott.

The Cuban was following the American around the ring in straight lines. Ortiz didn’t know how to cut the ring off.

Luis Ortiz made a huge mistake in that fight by trying to load up with powerful counters, waiting for the American to throw a punch, which resulted in the Cuban only throwing one shot at a time, rather than throwing combinations.

The Sky Sports team criticised Luis Ortiz for his lacklustre performance and argued that the Cuban should have disposed of the American.

Watch the fight again, if you’ve got a strong enough stomach to tolerate so much tedium for 52 minutes.

Ortiz simply didn't have the foots peed to catch up with Scott, who ran from Ortiz the whole time. It's pretty cynical to criticize Ortiz instead of the guy running away, like is usually the case.

You've clearly not watched the fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

These are quick highlights.



Scott was falling on the floor for no reason half the time.

Ref should have just waived it. Making everyone sit through all that. Shocking.

[Enlightened-One]

These are quick highlights.



Scott was falling on the floor for no reason half the time.

Ref should have just waived it. Making everyone sit through all that. Shocking.

The only fight I personally recall that was worse than Ortiz-Scott was the Carlos De Leon vs Johnny Nelson bout.

That was extraordinarily bad! It was truly horrendous!

The commentator even admitted to being embarrassed about his network broadcasting it.

If you’re suffering from a severe case of insomnia, then try watching the entire duration of that bout!

De Leon-Nelson was arguably the greatest “worst fight” in boxing history, due to it being epically bad, with Ortiz-Scott not that far behind.

[Bandog]

Luis Ortiz should have stopped Malik Scott.

The Cuban was following the American around the ring in straight lines. Ortiz didn’t know how to cut the ring off.

Luis Ortiz made a huge mistake in that fight by trying to load up with powerful counters, waiting for the American to throw a punch, which resulted in the Cuban only throwing one shot at a time, rather than throwing combinations.

The Sky Sports team criticised Luis Ortiz for his lacklustre performance and argued that the Cuban should have disposed of the American.

Watch the fight again, if you’ve got a strong enough stomach to tolerate so much tedium for 52 minutes.

Ortiz simply didn't have the foots peed to catch up with Scott, who ran from Ortiz the whole time. It's pretty cynical to criticize Ortiz instead of the guy running away, like is usually the case.

You've clearly not watched the fight.

Omg, are we seriously debating endlessly how a fight went between Ortiz and Scott, like someone cares?!

Scott lost, Ortiz won, in an ugly contest. Now stfu please.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is very confusing..

[oogiebe]

This is very confusing..

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