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JackSprocket wrote: ↑12 May 2024, 03:01 Amazing. Fair judges and Loma can't be beaten

Lomassiah HAS been beaten, repeatedly.

Beaten repeatedly? By who? Salido was his second fight and can be argued as he stormed on late. Ref did him no favors that day with all the low blows. Two, Sprockets has it right on Lopez could have been 6-6 with one arm. And he certainly outpointed and out slicked Haney. All from a guy who is naturally a featherweight. Always weight challenged in these fights. Funny how Gervonta is finally ready for the fight now. Gervonta and Zepeda are the toughest matches in my opinion. Evander makes valid points - Loma is 36 with 400 amateur fights on the clock too. Beautiful technique. His dad’s work with Usyk and he should be studied by all trainers. Won title in 3rd fight against a very tough Gary Russell.

Now who's ready to watch him lose a questionable decision to Shakur Stevenson...

Im pretty sure that Shaks handlers want none of Lomachenko...

Most impressive thing about Loma was Salido fight IMO. Taking brutal punishment straight to the balls and after that being able to rally in last round and hurt Salido. dont think ive ever saw something like that.

Boxingguru75 wrote: ↑12 May 2024, 11:54 Beaten repeatedly? By who? Salido was his second fight and can be argued as he stormed on late. Ref did him no favors that day with all the low blows. Two, Sprockets has it right on Lopez could have been 6-6 with one arm. And he certainly outpointed and out slicked Haney. All from a guy who is naturally a featherweight. Always weight challenged in these fights. Funny how Gervonta is finally ready for the fight now. Gervonta and Zepeda are the toughest matches in my opinion. Evander makes valid points - Loma is 36 with 400 amateur fights on the clock too. Beautiful technique. His dad’s work with Usyk and he should be studied by all trainers. Won title in 3rd fight against a very tough Gary Russell.

Lomassiah lost all three fights. That doesn’t make him . He is a great boxer in both skills and gifts. He may be the greatest amateur of all time. He is nowhere near the greatest pro of this millennium, let alone of all time. That is partially because of his amateur accomplishments.

Excuses are all anyone has to argue his three losses.

Someone claims that TCraw “is way overrated.” While I cannot stand his lack of fights over the years, he has risen to every occasion and won every fight decisively. That may change in his next fight. We shall see. Until then, the only argument against TCraw v Lomassiah involves rationalizing TCraw’s victories as well as Lomassiah’s losses.

As far as Inoue goes, just don’t humiliate yourselves going there.

If Usyk manages to get the W this weekend, there is a strong argument for a Ukrainian being the boxer of the millennium (so far).

Evander wrote: ↑12 May 2024, 03:52 Neither of them showed that quality that will push them through against the higher level.

NOBODY is at the higher level than Loma. Some may be bigger (Theo) or better punchers (Tank), but skill wise Loma is above them all. Age, injuries and fighting much bigger guys are his main opponents.

igor king wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:32

Evander wrote: ↑12 May 2024, 03:52 Neither of them showed that quality that will push them through against the higher level.

NOBODY is at the higher level than Loma. Some may be bigger (Theo) or better punchers (Tank), but skill wise Loma is above them all. Age, injuries and fighting much bigger guys are his main opponents.

This is professional prize fighting, not Dancing With The Stars.

I am critical of Haney, but Devin defeated Lomassiah. He only lost to someone who appears to have been juiced while refusing to make weight.

Name the “much bigger guys” Lomassiah has fought. He has not been forced to fight in the weight classes that he has chosen. He has lost three fights because he has lacked elite level professional ring management “skills.”

ironbeard wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:15

As far as Inoue goes, just don’t humiliate yourselves going there.

you're right, its so obvious he is the best fighter in the world that further discussion is futile

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 09:47

ironbeard wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:15

As far as Inoue goes, just don’t humiliate yourselves going there.

you're right, its so obvious he is the best fighter in the world that further discussion is futile

If Usyk gets the W this weekend, there will be credible debate on the subject.

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 11:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 09:47

ironbeard wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:15

As far as Inoue goes, just don’t humiliate yourselves going there.

you're right, its so obvious he is the best fighter in the world that further discussion is futile

If Usyk gets the W this weekend, there will be credible debate on the subject.

aye, fair play.

Nice win by Loma. He still got it.

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 00:43

igor king wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:32

Evander wrote: ↑12 May 2024, 03:52 Neither of them showed that quality that will push them through against the higher level.

NOBODY is at the higher level than Loma. Some may be bigger (Theo) or better punchers (Tank), but skill wise Loma is above them all. Age, injuries and fighting much bigger guys are his main opponents.

This is professional prize fighting, not Dancing With The Stars.

I am critical of Haney, but Devin defeated Lomassiah. He only lost to someone who appears to have been juiced while refusing to make weight.

Name the “much bigger guys” Lomassiah has fought. He has not been forced to fight in the weight classes that he has chosen. He has lost three fights because he has lacked elite level professional ring management “skills.”

Theo is the only real loss Loma had, and he is much bigger than Loma.

igor king wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 16:32

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 00:43

igor king wrote: ↑13 May 2024, 19:32
NOBODY is at the higher level than Loma. Some may be bigger (Theo) or better punchers (Tank), but skill wise Loma is above them all. Age, injuries and fighting much bigger guys are his main opponents.

This is professional prize fighting, not Dancing With The Stars.

I am critical of Haney, but Devin defeated Lomassiah. He only lost to someone who appears to have been juiced while refusing to make weight.

Name the “much bigger guys” Lomassiah has fought. He has not been forced to fight in the weight classes that he has chosen. He has lost three fights because he has lacked elite level professional ring management “skills.”

Theo is the only real loss Loma had, and he is much bigger than Loma.

Keep deceiving yourself with that . Lomassiah, in this reality, lost all three fights. Two of them were close losses. The difference is, I would not be whining about the close ones years later (like Lomassiah worshippers do) if they had gone the other way.

Yes there is a bit of a size difference between Teo and Lomassiah but that was not the reason the Ukrainian lost.

Another Ukrainian is fighting this weekend with a MUCH bigger size disadvantage. I am rooting for Usyk but if he loses I will not be blaming it on that size difference because he has chosen to fight in that division, just as Lomassiah has freely made his choices.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 19:09

igor king wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 16:32

ironbeard wrote: ↑14 May 2024, 00:43
This is professional prize fighting, not Dancing With The Stars.

I am critical of Haney, but Devin defeated Lomassiah. He only lost to someone who appears to have been juiced while refusing to make weight.

Name the “much bigger guys” Lomassiah has fought. He has not been forced to fight in the weight classes that he has chosen. He has lost three fights because he has lacked elite level professional ring management “skills.”

Theo is the only real loss Loma had, and he is much bigger than Loma.

Keep deceiving yourself with that . Lomassiah, in this reality, lost all three fights. Two of them were close losses. The difference is, I would not be whining about the close ones years later (like Lomassiah worshippers do) if they had gone the other way.

Yes there is a bit of a size difference between Teo and Lomassiah but that was not the reason the Ukrainian lost.

Another Ukrainian is fighting this weekend with a MUCH bigger size disadvantage. I am rooting for Usyk but if he loses I will not be blaming it on that size difference because he has chosen to fight in that division, just as Lomassiah has freely made his choices.

I typed a very long post but boxrec deleted it by giving me the "You must log in to post" page.

I'll try to keep it short for this post. Novels are apparently frowned upon by boxrec.

I basically stated, that in a fair world, Loma would be 19-1-1.

Salido would've had a good 5 points deducted with a Fair and Unbiased Ref. Thus, enabling a fair decision, as in, Loma by UD.

Haney bout should've been no better than a Draw(And, that'd still be For Haney's behalf).

Loma fought with a torn up rotator cuff versus Lopez. His team wanted him to pull out of that bout.
Still, he had Teo practically peeing himself in those later rounds. While fighting with one badly damaged shoulder.
You obviously Love the word "Excuses".

What about Reasons for Reasons, or Reasons for Causes, and, Causes for Reasons..?!
If you were a Boss and a worker was working with a broken arm, and not able to work at 100%, would you be Snickering away, or Screaming, "Excuses" "Excuses"..?

"Blame" is an overused word too. Acknowledging reasons is not "blaming." If Usyk loses to Fury, for example, it very likely will be due to size difference. That isn't "blaming" the size difference, it's just noticing what's going on. No one said these guys are forced to change weight classes or anything of the sort.

1286809 wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 09:01

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 19:09

igor king wrote: ↑16 May 2024, 16:32
Theo is the only real loss Loma had, and he is much bigger than Loma.

Keep deceiving yourself with that . Lomassiah, in this reality, lost all three fights. Two of them were close losses. The difference is, I would not be whining about the close ones years later (like Lomassiah worshippers do) if they had gone the other way.

Yes there is a bit of a size difference between Teo and Lomassiah but that was not the reason the Ukrainian lost.

Another Ukrainian is fighting this weekend with a MUCH bigger size disadvantage. I am rooting for Usyk but if he loses I will not be blaming it on that size difference because he has chosen to fight in that division, just as Lomassiah has freely made his choices.

I typed a very long post but boxrec deleted it by giving me the "You must log in to post" page.

I'll try to keep it short for this post. Novels are apparently frowned upon by boxrec.

I basically stated, that in a fair world, Loma would be 19-1-1.

Salido would've had a good 5 points deducted with a Fair and Unbiased Ref. Thus, enabling a fair decision, as in, Loma by UD.

Haney bout should've been no better than a Draw(And, that'd still be For Haney's behalf).

Loma fought with a torn up rotator cuff versus Lopez. His team wanted him to pull out of that bout.
Still, he had Teo practically peeing himself in those later rounds. While fighting with one badly damaged shoulder.
You obviously Love the word "Excuses".

What about Reasons for Reasons, or Reasons for Causes, and, Causes for Reasons..?!
If you were a Boss and a worker was working with a broken arm, and not able to work at 100%, would you be Snickering away, or Screaming, "Excuses" "Excuses"..?

“IF” one of my actual employees sustained an injury that significantly affected their job performance I would send them home until they were able to execute their duties satisfactorily.

Lomassiah chose to get into the ring and fight that night v Teo. “IF” he was too injured to properly compete, he cheated the paying public for his paycheck.

I do not believe that is the case based on the fact that he did compete for about 1/3 of the fight.

He lost. Get over it.

He did NOT lose because of injury. He did NOT lose because of size difference. He lost because he was defeated by the better boxer on the night, under the circumstances agreed upon.

I have made up a lot of nicknames over the years. Lomassiah has turned out to be the most accurate of the bunch.

ironbeard wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:13He did NOT lose because of injury. He did NOT lose because of size difference. He lost because he was defeated by the better boxer on the night, under the circumstances agreed upon.

I have made up a lot of nicknames over the years. Lomassiah has turned out to be the most accurate of the bunch.

Basically you're claiming injuries don't affect boxers physically and mentally, don't play a role in a fight and therefore don't exist, just like size difference and age don't exist? Only the outcome matters and everything else is irrelevant? Or does this only apply in the case of Lomachenko? If this is a general statement, do you even watch boxing or just look up results because that's all that matters?

Now I'm not saying Lomachenko lost to Lopez only because he was injured and old but everything has an impact. How big of an impact it had we don't know but to pretend it's completely irrelevant to the outcome is just dishonest.

Shouldn’t take the bait…. Given that ridiculous point then how did Lopez lose to Kamboso? Story was he was sick. Health weight age all play huge factors. Loma never gets the close decisions Mayweather got. His loses were all very close fights - although thought he clearly beat Haney. He is a smaller man fighting bigger fighters by choice. After going 396-1 in the amateurs it seems he is always looking for the best fight. Dude fought a contender in his debut. A world champ in his second. A long reigning champ in his third. Who has done that?

Heldenjaeger wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:30

ironbeard wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:13He did NOT lose because of injury. He did NOT lose because of size difference. He lost because he was defeated by the better boxer on the night, under the circumstances agreed upon.

I have made up a lot of nicknames over the years. Lomassiah has turned out to be the most accurate of the bunch.

Basically you're claiming injuries don't affect boxers physically and mentally, don't play a role in a fight and therefore don't exist, just like size difference and age don't exist? Only the outcome matters and everything else is irrelevant? Or does this only apply in the case of Lomachenko? If this is a general statement, do you even watch boxing or just look up results because that's all that matters?

Now I'm not saying Lomachenko lost to Lopez only because he was injured and old but everything has an impact. How big of an impact it had we don't know but to pretend it's completely irrelevant to the outcome is just dishonest.

Good Post.
Ironbeard is obviously a pecuilarly biased individual.
And a Hater of Lomachenko.
Did Loma embarrass you in billiards, or table tennis, or something else like that, there Mr Ironbeard..?!

Boxingguru75 wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 13:04 Shouldn’t take the bait…. Given that ridiculous point then how did Lopez lose to Kamboso? Story was he was sick. Health weight age all play huge factors. Loma never gets the close decisions Mayweather got. His loses were all very close fights - although thought he clearly beat Haney. He is a smaller man fighting bigger fighters by choice. After going 396-1 in the amateurs it seems he is always looking for the best fight. Dude fought a contender in his debut. A world champ in his second. A long reigning champ in his third. Who has done that?

Heldenjaeger wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:30

ironbeard wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:13He did NOT lose because of injury. He did NOT lose because of size difference. He lost because he was defeated by the better boxer on the night, under the circumstances agreed upon.

I have made up a lot of nicknames over the years. Lomassiah has turned out to be the most accurate of the bunch.

Basically you're claiming injuries don't affect boxers physically and mentally, don't play a role in a fight and therefore don't exist, just like size difference and age don't exist? Only the outcome matters and everything else is irrelevant? Or does this only apply in the case of Lomachenko? If this is a general statement, do you even watch boxing or just look up results because that's all that matters?

Now I'm not saying Lomachenko lost to Lopez only because he was injured and old but everything has an impact. How big of an impact it had we don't know but to pretend it's completely irrelevant to the outcome is just dishonest.

Of course injuries “affect boxers,” as they do in every sport. Athletes compete while injured all the time. But, if they are too injured to compete/do their jobs they do not enter the competition.

Boxing is one of the sports that have weight classes and contracts related to the specific conditions that the boxers will compete within. No matter the size of the boxer, they must make weight, unless the contract gives them an out. You sign a contract that stipulates, among other things, conditions.

I suppose that 49er fans could whine for decades about their quarterback getting injured against the Eagles a year ago, and claim that they were the best team that year. Some of them undoubtedly do. But, that is just whining, as is what you and so many Lomassiah disciples do.

“It is completely irrelevant.”

Making up excuses (which is exactly what they are) for Lomassiah’s losses is just pathetic.

Lomassiah is an elite level boxer. He just is not at the level where his disciples insist on putting him. In fact, you actually denigrate his legacy with that BS.

Boxingguru75 wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 13:04 Shouldn’t take the bait…. Given that ridiculous point then how did Lopez lose to Kamboso? Story was he was sick. Health weight age all play huge factors. Loma never gets the close decisions Mayweather got. His loses were all very close fights - although thought he clearly beat Haney. He is a smaller man fighting bigger fighters by choice. After going 396-1 in the amateurs it seems he is always looking for the best fight. Dude fought a contender in his debut. A world champ in his second. A long reigning champ in his third. Who has done that?

What a knob.

Lopez lost to Kambosa because he was too arrogant for his own good. He thought he could just go out and destroy him. As a result, he left himself open for what I specifically said before the fight he would have to make the mistake of doing in order to give Kambosa an avenue to the W.

I am not an FMJ fan, beyond the fact that I give him credit for being an excellent businessman. Yes, he should not have been undefeated. Yes, he expertly avoided a number of dangerous fighters on the way to his undefeated record. Only devout Floydiots can muster the level of alternative reality to argue those points.

Lomassiah did not “clearly beat Haney.” It was a close fight that Haney got the decision in. I felt that Haney edged it. But, if Lomassiah had gotten the W I would not be whining about it for the rest of my life, like so many Lomasciples do.

Nobody is arguing about what he has accomplished. This chat is about what he has not accomplished.

1286809 wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 15:22

Heldenjaeger wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:30

ironbeard wrote: ↑17 May 2024, 12:13He did NOT lose because of injury. He did NOT lose because of size difference. He lost because he was defeated by the better boxer on the night, under the circumstances agreed upon.

I have made up a lot of nicknames over the years. Lomassiah has turned out to be the most accurate of the bunch.

Basically you're claiming injuries don't affect boxers physically and mentally, don't play a role in a fight and therefore don't exist, just like size difference and age don't exist? Only the outcome matters and everything else is irrelevant? Or does this only apply in the case of Lomachenko? If this is a general statement, do you even watch boxing or just look up results because that's all that matters?

Now I'm not saying Lomachenko lost to Lopez only because he was injured and old but everything has an impact. How big of an impact it had we don't know but to pretend it's completely irrelevant to the outcome is just dishonest.

Good Post.
Ironbeard is obviously a pecuilarly biased individual.
And a Hater of Lomachenko.
Did Loma embarrass you in billiards, or table tennis, or something else like that, there Mr Ironbeard..?!

Where have I ever suggested that I hate Lomassiah, numberella?

Your cliché effort at insults is weaker than your moniker.

What fight was Lomachenko injured in anyway? I haven't heard of him having a serious injury in any of his bouts.