Tyson Fury Update *LATEST*

[jamesmcdonnell]

This is pretty embarrassing stuff.

Why can't he just shut his yap, he has an endless need for attention.

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

[tony1234]

It's becoming tiring keeping up with him, he's going to be ringside at the WWE show in Cardiff tomorrow night so wrestling might be his next appearance which means another fight will be a while off

[maverick23]

He’s now done a video saying Usyk is getting smashed to bits, is a little bitch pussy boy and that he should find his balls and go and see Tyson.

I wanted AJ to beat Usyk both times but I’ve always liked and respected Usyk for how he conducts himself, what’s he done for his country and how tough he is.

I’m losing respect for Tyson by the day.

[tony1234]

He’s now done a video saying Usyk is getting smashed to bits, is a little bitch pussy boy and that he should find his balls and go and see Tyson.

I wanted AJ to beat Usyk both times but I’ve always liked and respected Usyk for how he conducts himself, what’s he done for his country and how tough he is.

I’m losing respect for Tyson by the day.

The name calling is very tedious now

[Ruthless-RKO]

He’s now done a video saying Usyk is getting smashed to bits, is a little bitch pussy boy and that he should find his balls and go and see Tyson.

I wanted AJ to beat Usyk both times but I’ve always liked and respected Usyk for how he conducts himself, what’s he done for his country and how tough he is.

I’m losing respect for Tyson by the day.

The name calling is very tedious now

It was tedious a long time ago.

[Nightmare Roy]

He’s now done a video saying Usyk is getting smashed to bits, is a little bitch pussy boy and that he should find his balls and go and see Tyson.

I wanted AJ to beat Usyk both times but I’ve always liked and respected Usyk for how he conducts himself, what’s he done for his country and how tough he is.

I’m losing respect for Tyson by the day.

The name calling is very tedious now

It was tedious a long time ago.

I saw the video and just thought grow up ffs.

[Cap]

Looks like Fury has joined the ranks of far right lunatics. I'm not really surprised.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[margaret thatcher]

well if we're going that route, big tyson also lost in the ams to flabby 6 footer max babanin, guy on left

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

This is pretty embarrassing stuff.

Why can't he just shut his yap, he has an endless need for attention.

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

So the so called Liberals are complaining about Fury being racist when immigration reduces average wages in an economy. But ignoring about him complaining about homelessness where people have no social support.

If nothing else you can agree we don't do enough for homelessness

[Boxerbeetle]

This is pretty embarrassing stuff.

Why can't he just shut his yap, he has an endless need for attention.

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

Tyson heard AJ’s powerful insights on the Ukraine situation, so thought it was only fair that he tried to address the hot topic of immigration.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

Tyson heard AJ’s powerful insights on the Ukraine situation, so thought it was only fair that he tried to address the hot topic of immigration.

Well whatever is happening in Ukraine. It’s not nice.

[emallini]

That video is 10 years old but the Internet sheep are too far gone now.

[Cyclops]

This is pretty embarrassing stuff.

Why can't he just shut his yap, he has an endless need for attention.

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

The thing is, as someone who has worked with homeless people and smack heads and crackheads and stuff, I have to make him right here. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, yet we've got increasing numbers of people lining the streets homeless and hopeless and just kind of ignored, and then you've got a load of 'right on' people calling working class people gammons and saying we should take on and help all the hopeless across the globe.

I'm not knocking the sentiment of the 'do-gooders', of course everyone regardless of where they're from deserves care and support. We're a first world country. Of course people want to come here. It's only right.

But in Britain we can't even look after our own scumbags. I used to live in Finsbury Park, near the tube, and the number of class A addicted homeless living under the bridge since I moved away has increased to almost epidemic levels. It was a shithole when I lived there before it became gentrified like it is now, but at least the poverty wasn't so in your face. People were poor, and crime was rife: but people had somewhere to live and were just about getting by. Now? It's pretty shocking. If we can't look after our own people that have fallen through the cracks, how are we supposed to look after the rest of the worlds'? It's not about race, black white, brown or whatever. Its indiscriminate. People are fucked economically.

It sounds like an old school right wing thing to say, but I'm a leftie through and through. And he's echoing something that I've said only recently.

Someone needs to say it. We as as a society have shunned and ignored our own poor for far too long. It's a serious issue.

[coneye]

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

The thing is, as someone who has worked with homeless people and smack heads and crackheads and stuff, I have to make him right here. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, yet we've got increasing numbers of people lining the streets homeless and hopeless and just kind of ignored, and then you've got a load of 'right on' people calling working class people gammons and saying we should take on and help all the hopeless across the globe.

I'm not knocking the sentiment of the 'do-gooders', of course everyone regardless of where they're from deserves care and support. We're a first world country. Of course people want to come here. It's only right.

But in Britain we can't even look after our own scumbags. I used to live in Finsbury Park, near the tube, and the number of class A addicted homeless living under the bridge since I moved away has increased to almost epidemic levels. It was a shithole when I lived there before it became gentrified like it is now, but at least the poverty wasn't so in your face. People were poor, and crime was rife: but people had somewhere to live and were just about getting by. Now? It's pretty shocking. If we can't look after our own people that have fallen through the cracks, how are we supposed to look after the rest of the worlds'? It's not about race, black white, brown or whatever. Its indiscriminate. People are fucked economically.

It sounds like an old school right wing thing to say, but I'm a leftie through and through. And he's echoing something that I've said only recently.

Someone needs to say it. We as as a society have shunned and ignored our own poor for far too long. It's a serious issue.

Agreed , but its a problem all over ,, Think i've told you all before i spent years working has a contractor on public housing , over the years seen less and less money spent fixing maintening and building public housing ,, at the same time people being homeless but never ever enough money to spend on them , rehousing or shelters , whatever ... Yet it was nothing to ring me with an emergency to go get a house ready for a refugee familly , who arrived a week ago , yet the poor bastard up the road sleeping in his car with a wife and 3 kids , 2 months later still has no where to go .

Can always remember working on a bunch of hi rise units , 80 plus units there was , , and just about everyone of them were filled up with refugees , what pissed me off was one in paticular while i was there freindly enough bloke in his last year at uni , telling me very proudly about how he is finishing his engineers degree that year ,, he had great plans to finish and then go back to his old country to earn lots of money , becuase engineers were scarce there ,, proudly telling me he already had job offers ,, when i asked well why you a refugee , his answer ,, OH all good in my country now , i'm now safe ,,, i asked how he afforded uni ,,, told me grants and more grants ,, i thought you have to pay back the student loans (my grandaughter does ) Oh no we get different loans we refuggees , .

Mmm don't know if its actually racism or more pissed off , who can blame the homeless person when he see's refuggees treated better than he is , because he claims to be refugee ,, we don't here much about it anymore to be honest i think the govt has put a blanket on reporting it ,, but i do know this much a lot of the boats we seen arriving into Australia , well for refugees , they did'nt look the part in NIKE CLOTHES AND THE LATEST PHONES , ALWAYS SEEMED TO HAVE HIGH PRICED IMMIGRATIONLAWYERS ON HAND WAITING FOR THEM HAS WELL ,

[tonyevs]

Having an opinion on migrants/asylum seekers is taboo unless you promoting them sailing over.

Nowadays it can cost you your job/career.

Those rich lefties who make sure they don't live anywhere near where the migrants/asylum seekers are to be housed are living in a different world to us little people. When people mention lack of housing for local people; children's education being impacted because school budgets are stretched to provide interpreters and allocate teaching staff 1-2-1 with a child who doesn't speak the language, and a huge waiting lists for a GP/dentist/A&E .. it's taken as the person being ignorant and racist.

The hour glass society is a thing of the past. Increasingly there is more of us at the bottom and a smaller more powerful group at the top.

[Cyclops]

That video is 10 years old but the Internet sheep are too far gone now.

Oh it's old is it? Is this the Tyson that was ranting about the zionist media and women looking good in dresses? I was thinking it looked like Tyson was going off the rails again a bit recently but if it is from that time that it doesn't surprise me at all.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah - he did a video I think a couple of days ago complaining about the U.K. letting in so many illegal immigrants in as there’s homelessness in the U.K. and the immigrants will blow us up. Hasn’t been picked up really for being clearly racist.

Painful stuff.

The thing is, as someone who has worked with homeless people and smack heads and crackheads and stuff, I have to make him right here. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, yet we've got increasing numbers of people lining the streets homeless and hopeless and just kind of ignored, and then you've got a load of 'right on' people calling working class people gammons and saying we should take on and help all the hopeless across the globe.

I'm not knocking the sentiment of the 'do-gooders', of course everyone regardless of where they're from deserves care and support. We're a first world country. Of course people want to come here. It's only right.

But in Britain we can't even look after our own scumbags. I used to live in Finsbury Park, near the tube, and the number of class A addicted homeless living under the bridge since I moved away has increased to almost epidemic levels. It was a shithole when I lived there before it became gentrified like it is now, but at least the poverty wasn't so in your face. People were poor, and crime was rife: but people had somewhere to live and were just about getting by. Now? It's pretty shocking. If we can't look after our own people that have fallen through the cracks, how are we supposed to look after the rest of the worlds'? It's not about race, black white, brown or whatever. Its indiscriminate. People are fucked economically.

It sounds like an old school right wing thing to say, but I'm a leftie through and through. And he's echoing something that I've said only recently.

Someone needs to say it. We as as a society have shunned and ignored our own poor for far too long. It's a serious issue.

The fact is, there's little or no willingness to even attempt to tackle homelessness. It could be greatly solved with a wealth tax, but guess what, it won't happen.

The migrant issue is a red herring masking the real problem.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Having an opinion on migrants/asylum seekers is taboo unless you promoting them sailing over.

Nowadays it can cost you your job/career.

Those rich lefties who make sure they don't live anywhere near where the migrants/asylum seekers are to be housed are living in a different world to us little people. When people mention lack of housing for local people; children's education being impacted because school budgets are stretched to provide interpreters and allocate teaching staff 1-2-1 with a child who doesn't speak the language, and a huge waiting lists for a GP/dentist/A&E .. it's taken as the person being ignorant and racist.

The hour glass society is a thing of the past. Increasingly there is more of us at the bottom and a smaller more powerful group at the top.

I agree with most of what you say.

There's the wealthy and everyone else.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Having an opinion on migrants/asylum seekers is taboo unless you promoting them sailing over.

Nowadays it can cost you your job/career.

Those rich lefties who make sure they don't live anywhere near where the migrants/asylum seekers are to be housed are living in a different world to us little people. When people mention lack of housing for local people; children's education being impacted because school budgets are stretched to provide interpreters and allocate teaching staff 1-2-1 with a child who doesn't speak the language, and a huge waiting lists for a GP/dentist/A&E .. it's taken as the person being ignorant and racist.

The hour glass society is a thing of the past. Increasingly there is more of us at the bottom and a smaller more powerful group at the top.

The problem is that migrants are a convenient whipping boy, used to disguise deeper systemic issues with the UK economy and its abysmal inequalities.

[Cyclops]

Painful stuff.

The thing is, as someone who has worked with homeless people and smack heads and crackheads and stuff, I have to make him right here. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, yet we've got increasing numbers of people lining the streets homeless and hopeless and just kind of ignored, and then you've got a load of 'right on' people calling working class people gammons and saying we should take on and help all the hopeless across the globe.

I'm not knocking the sentiment of the 'do-gooders', of course everyone regardless of where they're from deserves care and support. We're a first world country. Of course people want to come here. It's only right.

But in Britain we can't even look after our own scumbags. I used to live in Finsbury Park, near the tube, and the number of class A addicted homeless living under the bridge since I moved away has increased to almost epidemic levels. It was a shithole when I lived there before it became gentrified like it is now, but at least the poverty wasn't so in your face. People were poor, and crime was rife: but people had somewhere to live and were just about getting by. Now? It's pretty shocking. If we can't look after our own people that have fallen through the cracks, how are we supposed to look after the rest of the worlds'? It's not about race, black white, brown or whatever. Its indiscriminate. People are fucked economically.

It sounds like an old school right wing thing to say, but I'm a leftie through and through. And he's echoing something that I've said only recently.

Someone needs to say it. We as as a society have shunned and ignored our own poor for far too long. It's a serious issue.

The fact is, there's little or no willingness to even attempt to tackle homelessness. It could be greatly solved with a wealth tax, but guess what, it won't happen.

The migrant issue is a red herring masking the real problem.

Homelessness isn't just a housing issue, though. Most of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics and have mental health problems. The mental health system is absolutely decimated and barely functioning, and the rehab and support for street homeless drug addicts isn't really effective: these are f*cking difficult people to deal with. You can't just give them a shower and a haircut and imagine they're just suddenly going to become a functioning human. Lots of them will require a lifetime of support and input. There is nowhere in the world with some sort of fantastic utopian model to emulate where rich people have suddenly got a bit nicer and started sharing a bit more.

All the services and drained and f*cked: the NHS, the fire brigade, the police, the ambulance service, the social services, schools, all running on overtime and a knackered skeleton work force. People moan about these services being crap, but they're just so stretched... I totally get what you're saying, but while the rich are getting richer the rest of us are going to be kicked around severely for the next couple of years and when the infrastructure we have can barely function as it is, and it's going to break. It's already broken, really. It's falling apart.

8,644 migrants arrived in Dover alone in August. ( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 22825.html ) That's a lot of people. For a bit of context, the estimated population of Dover in 2020 was 45,100. So, if roughly the same number of migrants, or more, which is what people are concerned about, make the crossing every month then you've got the population of the town they're arriving in twice over in a year. All of these people need housing, schools, services, food, running water, electricity, gas, education for the nippers... And that's just the bare basics. How are we going to provide that, when we're struggling to provide that for the people already here? Migrants aren't coming over with suitcases of cash and a neat little folder with all of their qualification certificates. They're desperate. They're going to have a lot of issues. They're going to need a lot of help.

Saying it's a red herring to mask the real problem is a cop out. Just to be clear, I don't hate these people and I'd like to help them all and accommodate them and be part of the welcoming, safe haven they dream of when they make their perilous journey across the channel in some rubber boat to line the pockets of some scumbag smuggler who doesn't care if they live or die. But they are not a 'red herring'. They are an issue. And nobody can have a frank discussion about it. You don't have to be some sub-BNP UKIP twat to consider that.

[Boxerbeetle]

We’re gonna fly them all out to Rwanda anyway. Job done

[jamesmcdonnell]

The thing is, as someone who has worked with homeless people and smack heads and crackheads and stuff, I have to make him right here. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world, yet we've got increasing numbers of people lining the streets homeless and hopeless and just kind of ignored, and then you've got a load of 'right on' people calling working class people gammons and saying we should take on and help all the hopeless across the globe.

I'm not knocking the sentiment of the 'do-gooders', of course everyone regardless of where they're from deserves care and support. We're a first world country. Of course people want to come here. It's only right.

But in Britain we can't even look after our own scumbags. I used to live in Finsbury Park, near the tube, and the number of class A addicted homeless living under the bridge since I moved away has increased to almost epidemic levels. It was a shithole when I lived there before it became gentrified like it is now, but at least the poverty wasn't so in your face. People were poor, and crime was rife: but people had somewhere to live and were just about getting by. Now? It's pretty shocking. If we can't look after our own people that have fallen through the cracks, how are we supposed to look after the rest of the worlds'? It's not about race, black white, brown or whatever. Its indiscriminate. People are fucked economically.

It sounds like an old school right wing thing to say, but I'm a leftie through and through. And he's echoing something that I've said only recently.

Someone needs to say it. We as as a society have shunned and ignored our own poor for far too long. It's a serious issue.

The fact is, there's little or no willingness to even attempt to tackle homelessness. It could be greatly solved with a wealth tax, but guess what, it won't happen.

The migrant issue is a red herring masking the real problem.

Homelessness isn't just a housing issue, though. Most of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics and have mental health problems. The mental health system is absolutely decimated and barely functioning, and the rehab and support for street homeless drug addicts isn't really effective: these are f*cking difficult people to deal with. You can't just give them a shower and a haircut and imagine they're just suddenly going to become a functioning human. Lots of them will require a lifetime of support and input. There is nowhere in the world with some sort of fantastic utopian model to emulate where rich people have suddenly got a bit nicer and started sharing a bit more.

All the services and drained and f*cked: the NHS, the fire brigade, the police, the ambulance service, the social services, schools, all running on overtime and a knackered skeleton work force. People moan about these services being crap, but they're just so stretched... I totally get what you're saying, but while the rich are getting richer the rest of us are going to be kicked around severely for the next couple of years and when the infrastructure we have can barely function as it is, and it's going to break. It's already broken, really. It's falling apart.

8,644 migrants arrived in Dover alone in August. ( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 22825.html ) That's a lot of people. For a bit of context, the estimated population of Dover in 2020 was 45,100. So, if roughly the same number of migrants, or more, which is what people are concerned about, make the crossing every month then you've got the population of the town they're arriving in twice over in a year. All of these people need housing, schools, services, food, running water, electricity, gas, education for the nippers... And that's just the bare basics. How are we going to provide that, when we're struggling to provide that for the people already here? Migrants aren't coming over with suitcases of cash and a neat little folder with all of their qualification certificates. They're desperate. They're going to have a lot of issues. They're going to need a lot of help.

Saying it's a red herring to mask the real problem is a cop out. Just to be clear, I don't hate these people and I'd like to help them all and accommodate them and be part of the welcoming, safe haven they dream of when they make their perilous journey across the channel in some rubber boat to line the pockets of some scumbag smuggler who doesn't care if they live or die. But they are not a 'red herring'. They are an issue. And nobody can have a frank discussion about it. You don't have to be some sub-BNP UKIP twat to consider that.

Again, I concur with much of this.

The gutting of the mental health and social work systems, has resulted in huge numbers of people with mental health issues and drug problems (often both) are now roaming the streets.

You should see the problem with homeless drug addicts around my way, it's really pretty dreadful, and it's getting worse all the time.

We have to get rid of the government we have currently as a starting point, I have very little faith in Starmer, he's not much better than the tories, but it's the lesser of two evils, and at the least, he will likely stop the rot in hollowing out the state, which the tories have been doing over the last decade, with their 'tighten your belts' horseshite.

It's incredible the sums of money the government was able to find, to hand out juicy contracts for PPE and other services during the pandemic, many of which were never delivered or were found to be ill suited - and yet the money is never there when it is for critical services that help everyday people.

The figures of the number of migrants crossing the channel is worrying, and it's likely to get worse -

However, to give some context, Germany takes in huge numbers more migrants than we do, per capita, and yet has half the number of homeless. So there is something badly wrong here. The fact Germany has plenty of stable, affordable housing, is no doubt a big factor here.

In fact the UK has the worst homelessness figures in the G7, and in fact some of the worst worldwide - which is pretty astonishing considering how wealthy the country is.

It would be interesting to see how many migrants are actually given leave to remain in the country, how many abscond, and how many are returned, and therefore how many actual new people enter the country.

What is without doubt, is that migrants, according to all known statistics, are net contributors to the economy long term, they tend to be younger, and claim less benefits.

The housing issue has been kicked down the road for 30 years now, with no government daring to upset home owning voters, especially those who derive income from 2nd homes and more.

The country is like a bucket shot with holes, the water is leaking out in multiple locations, immigration is only one hole, there are many more, and it's not at the core of our problems.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it, but there's a danger that immigrants are villified, much like the poor and working class, as the reason that we are where we are.

[Cyclops]

The fact is, there's little or no willingness to even attempt to tackle homelessness. It could be greatly solved with a wealth tax, but guess what, it won't happen.

The migrant issue is a red herring masking the real problem.

Homelessness isn't just a housing issue, though. Most of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics and have mental health problems. The mental health system is absolutely decimated and barely functioning, and the rehab and support for street homeless drug addicts isn't really effective: these are f*cking difficult people to deal with. You can't just give them a shower and a haircut and imagine they're just suddenly going to become a functioning human. Lots of them will require a lifetime of support and input. There is nowhere in the world with some sort of fantastic utopian model to emulate where rich people have suddenly got a bit nicer and started sharing a bit more.

All the services and drained and f*cked: the NHS, the fire brigade, the police, the ambulance service, the social services, schools, all running on overtime and a knackered skeleton work force. People moan about these services being crap, but they're just so stretched... I totally get what you're saying, but while the rich are getting richer the rest of us are going to be kicked around severely for the next couple of years and when the infrastructure we have can barely function as it is, and it's going to break. It's already broken, really. It's falling apart.

8,644 migrants arrived in Dover alone in August. ( https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 22825.html ) That's a lot of people. For a bit of context, the estimated population of Dover in 2020 was 45,100. So, if roughly the same number of migrants, or more, which is what people are concerned about, make the crossing every month then you've got the population of the town they're arriving in twice over in a year. All of these people need housing, schools, services, food, running water, electricity, gas, education for the nippers... And that's just the bare basics. How are we going to provide that, when we're struggling to provide that for the people already here? Migrants aren't coming over with suitcases of cash and a neat little folder with all of their qualification certificates. They're desperate. They're going to have a lot of issues. They're going to need a lot of help.

Saying it's a red herring to mask the real problem is a cop out. Just to be clear, I don't hate these people and I'd like to help them all and accommodate them and be part of the welcoming, safe haven they dream of when they make their perilous journey across the channel in some rubber boat to line the pockets of some scumbag smuggler who doesn't care if they live or die. But they are not a 'red herring'. They are an issue. And nobody can have a frank discussion about it. You don't have to be some sub-BNP UKIP twat to consider that.

Again, I concur with much of this.

The gutting of the mental health and social work systems, has resulted in huge numbers of people with mental health issues and drug problems (often both) are now roaming the streets.

You should see the problem with homeless drug addicts around my way, it's really pretty dreadful, and it's getting worse all the time.

We have to get rid of the government we have currently as a starting point, I have very little faith in Starmer, he's not much better than the tories, but it's the lesser of two evils, and at the least, he will likely stop the rot in hollowing out the state, which the tories have been doing over the last decade, with their 'tighten your belts' horseshite.

It's incredible the sums of money the government was able to find, to hand out juicy contracts for PPE and other services during the pandemic, many of which were never delivered or were found to be ill suited - and yet the money is never there when it is for critical services that help everyday people.

The figures of the number of migrants crossing the channel is worrying, and it's likely to get worse -

However, to give some context, Germany takes in huge numbers more migrants than we do, per capita, and yet has half the number of homeless. So there is something badly wrong here. The fact Germany has plenty of stable, affordable housing, is no doubt a big factor here.

In fact the UK has the worst homelessness figures in the G7, and in fact some of the worst worldwide - which is pretty astonishing considering how wealthy the country is.

It would be interesting to see how many migrants are actually given leave to remain in the country, how many abscond, and how many are returned, and therefore how many actual new people enter the country.

What is without doubt, is that migrants, according to all known statistics, are net contributors to the economy long term, they tend to be younger, and claim less benefits.

The housing issue has been kicked down the road for 30 years now, with no government daring to upset home owning voters, especially those who derive income from 2nd homes and more.

The country is like a bucket shot with holes, the water is leaking out in multiple locations, immigration is only one hole, there are many more, and it's not at the core of our problems.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it, but there's a danger that immigrants are villified, much like the poor and working class, as the reason that we are where we are.

You live in South London don't you, James? Is Brixton McDonalds still like the bar in Star Wars? Scarier than a really rough pub at night that gaff!

[tonyevs]

Homelessness as said above is a multi-faceted issue. It can be argued that It starts as a result of a family struggling financially - and this impacting on the quality of parenting due to stress of the situation .. which in turn explodes in 100 different ways. The child witnessing this then typically grows up damaged due to the ACE`s its been exposed to .. this then impacts on the persons life opportunities which in turn lead it to a life of poverty .. the cycle repeats.

Giving a homeless person accommodation is not a simple fix - these people often have their own issues - very often as a result of ACE`s and the subsequent slide into MH and substance misuse probs - for these people being homeless is a lot easier for them than having the stress and anxiety to manage a home and all its responsibilities.

Regarding migrants being net contributors to the economy - this was debunked a long time ago. majority of migrants are on low wages which contribute very little if anything to the economy. Add this into what they take out from the NHS, education and in work benefits then no .. the vast majority do not cover what they cost.

Getting on the property ladder is beyond alot of children from working class families. Getting social housing again is near impossible and lots are having to stay at home increasingly into their 30s and 40s ... working class families are seeing this more and more. Society is a working model and there is no magic money tree to just keep building new houses and new hospitals and schools and new everything else ... ultimately society needs to generate money for governments to tax and then pay for all these things to be built and staffed.