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ashall2 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 14:17 Might look into going if it’s in Poland.

Dubois will be fine as long as he doesn’t get knocked out - no shame losing to Usyk on points.

He lost to Joyce and got a shot!

Being beatable does wonders for opportunities #boxing

Coco wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 17:26

ashall2 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2023, 14:17 Might look into going if it’s in Poland.

Dubois will be fine as long as he doesn’t get knocked out - no shame losing to Usyk on points.

He lost to Joyce and got a shot!

Being beatable does wonders for opportunities #boxing

That's had no bearing on this contest?

His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

I don't think he lacks toughness, he lacks adaptability - he took a real pounding to that eye against Joyce, and whilst he could have continued, I think it's his call to say it's enough, he has to protect his future.

He will have a small punchers chance against Usyk, but no more than that. Unless he is injured, I don't see Usyk stopping him, mainly because he simply will not press for the stoppage unless it's there on a plate. Usyk knows he's not big enough to trade with the properly big men in the division, and will box to order, 12 rounds and an easy win. He could stop him of cours,e but he's not really a big puncher, and doesn't fully commit to his punches, it's not his style.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 03:20

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

Joyce outboxed Parker too. Joyce's problem seemed to be that he didn't know what to do with a southpaw

Debois strength against Usyk is he is very good at infighting and bodywork. It's harder to outbox someone who comes inside and throws heavy short hooks to the head and body in combination. AJ wasn't willing to do this but Debois probably will. Usyk should win but styles make fights and this may be a problem for him against a HW puncher who can apply pressure.

I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 04:21

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 03:20

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

Joyce outboxed Parker too. Joyce's problem seemed to be that he didn't know what to do with a southpaw

Debois strength against Usyk is he is very good at infighting and bodywork. It's harder to outbox someone who comes inside and throws heavy short hooks to the head and body in combination. AJ wasn't willing to do this but Debois probably will. Usyk should win but styles make fights and this may be a problem for him against a HW puncher who can apply pressure.

Joyce has a good jab, which allows him to dictate range and pace, but Zhang took that away from him.

Joyce isn't a master boxer, but the heavyweight division is light on pure boxing talent.

Usky will likely make Dubois look very amateurish indeed.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 03:20

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 04:04
I don't think he lacks toughness, he lacks adaptability - he took a real pounding to that eye against Joyce, and whilst he could have continued, I think it's his call to say it's enough, he has to protect his future.

I wasn't really referring to the Joyce fight, to box at that level you need to be tough. I more meant his general demeanour doesn't really give off an air of confidence, it may just be that he's quiet. I might be wrong but just the impression I get from him. Obviously I'd like him to do well against Usyk but I wouldn't be surprised if he starts getting worked over he goes into his shell and falls apart.

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 09:30

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 03:20

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 04:04
I don't think he lacks toughness, he lacks adaptability - he took a real pounding to that eye against Joyce, and whilst he could have continued, I think it's his call to say it's enough, he has to protect his future.

I wasn't really referring to the Joyce fight, to box at that level you need to be tough. I more meant his general demeanour doesn't really give off an air of confidence, it may just be that he's quiet. I might be wrong but just the impression I get from him. Obviously I'd like him to do well against Usyk but I wouldn't be surprised if he starts getting worked over he goes into his shell and falls apart.

He’s also still only a baby

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

It's Heavyweight boxing and Dubois hits like a train - of course he has a shot, although he's obviously a significant underdog.

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 09:30

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 03:20

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 00:52 His last opponent Lerena was a southpaw too. I never really heard much talk after that fight about how close he came to losing or the injury he had. I think Usyk stops him, I don’t know what it is about DDD but I don’t get ‘tough’ vibes from him, he seems to lack mental toughness. I might be wrong but his confidence looks like it could be easily shaken.

Depends how you look at it, to win that fight with that injury was pretty remarkable. He also didn’t quit at the first opportunity against Joyce. The eye was gone and he took a sustained battering on it. The bigger worry is, Joyce outboxed him…..

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 04:04
I don't think he lacks toughness, he lacks adaptability - he took a real pounding to that eye against Joyce, and whilst he could have continued, I think it's his call to say it's enough, he has to protect his future.

I wasn't really referring to the Joyce fight, to box at that level you need to be tough. I more meant his general demeanour doesn't really give off an air of confidence, it may just be that he's quiet. I might be wrong but just the impression I get from him. Obviously I'd like him to do well against Usyk but I wouldn't be surprised if he starts getting worked over he goes into his shell and falls apart.

Yes, I think he is quite unassuming, he's obviously a big physical unit, he's not a coward, but I suspect he doesn't have the kind of elastic mental strength required to outthink his opponents.

It'll be interesting to see how his chin holds up too, his last fight against Lerena his legs went after the first decent punch he took and Lerena is close to Usyk in size and weight as well both being southpaws. I know he suffered a knee injury but the punch was what initially hurt him. He hasn't really had much in the way of decent opposition, Joyce was the hardest opponent he's faced, Usyk will pose far more problems.

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 10:44

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

It's Heavyweight boxing and Dubois hits like a train - of course he has a shot, although he's obviously a significant underdog.

Does he? He’s not really fought anyone of a decent level to test that hypothesis other than Joyce (lost). Johnson took him to points.

Lerena and Bryan aren’t exactly world class are they?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

I think he will be a bit like Hughie Fury in that he can go on and lose over and over again at a certain level and still there will be people thinking he can win a proper World title.

jameswilson wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 15:25

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

I think he will be a bit like Hughie Fury in that he can go on and lose over and over again at a certain level and still there will be people thinking he can win a proper World title.

Hey don’t write Hughie off, his man strength will soon be here

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

Unfortunately holding three belts does involve mandatory guys like Dubois. It's not like Uysk is rematching with Chisora
If Fury won't fight him, its back to the business of retaining the belts. And Fury is really the only guy I don't see as a mismatch for Uysk.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 15:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

Unfortunately holding three belts does involve mandatory guys like Dubois. It's not like Uysk is rematching with Chisora
If Fury won't fight him, its back to the business of retaining the belts. And Fury is really the only guy I don't see as a mismatch for Uysk.

He should really rematch Del seeing as most people had him losing that fight.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 17:34

KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 15:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

Unfortunately holding three belts does involve mandatory guys like Dubois. It's not like Uysk is rematching with Chisora
If Fury won't fight him, its back to the business of retaining the belts. And Fury is really the only guy I don't see as a mismatch for Uysk.

He should really rematch Del seeing as most people had him losing that fight.

"Most people"

most people lol

https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/2553956

https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/ole ... ck-chisora

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 17:34

KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 15:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 06:20 I can’t believe anyone is giving DDD any kind of shot. Complete mismatch.

Unfortunately holding three belts does involve mandatory guys like Dubois. It's not like Uysk is rematching with Chisora
If Fury won't fight him, its back to the business of retaining the belts. And Fury is really the only guy I don't see as a mismatch for Uysk.

He should really rematch Del seeing as most people had him losing that fight.

Doing badly there got him the Joshua fight, it was only doing well in those that lost him the Fury fight.
The way of modern boxing..

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 18:05 most people lol

https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/2553956

https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/ole ... ck-chisora

Some close cards there

not one card for del though. what's the average you think? 117-111 usyk or so?

I’ve said it before - I think Dubois deserves credit for getting through that Lerena fight, it should have been an easy night that quickly turned into a nightmare.

Had that initial punch not skimmed the top of his head and momentarily stunned him, which lead to the knee injury, I doubt he’d have had any difficulty in walking the Lerena down and bombing him out.

Usyk is an excellent (albeit ageing) boxer, but he definitely ain’t superman. I think this is a cracking little match up.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Apr 2023, 20:11 not one card for del though. what's the average you think? 117-111 usyk or so?

Yeh. Chisora won 2 rounds. 3 is the absolute max and thats being kind.