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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025, 10:07 No, he, is, not.

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025, 14:15 No. No, he's not.

If “no” is all you’ve got after I just laid out multiple points, I’ll take that as you having nothing meaningful to say.

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025, 04:58

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025, 10:07 No, he, is, not.

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Aug 2025, 14:15 No. No, he's not.

If “no” is all you’ve got after I just laid out multiple points, I’ll take that as you having nothing meaningful to say.

OK, let's use Sonny Bill-Williams as an example. Never boxed before, fought two debutants and then fought actual boxers.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025, 05:18 OK, let's use Sonny Bill-Williams as an example. Never boxed before, fought two debutants and then fought actual boxers.

That’s your benchmark for how things should be done?
A part-time boxer with 9 fights over 14 years who ended up flatlined by a 48 year old?

Jake Paul has more buzz, tougher opponents, and actually draws a crowd and you want to pretend he’s the fraud?

If Sonny fought Anderson Silva at 47, he’d probably get KO’d in 2. Let’s not pretend every ex-rugby player turned boxer is some gold standard of progression.

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025, 08:21

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑07 Aug 2025, 05:18 OK, let's use Sonny Bill-Williams as an example. Never boxed before, fought two debutants and then fought actual boxers.

That’s your benchmark for how things should be done?
A part-time boxer with 9 fights over 14 years who ended up flatlined by a 48 year old?

Jake Paul has more buzz, tougher opponents, and actually draws a crowd and you want to pretend he’s the fraud?

If Sonny fought Anderson Silva at 47, he’d probably get KO’d in 2. Let’s not pretend every ex-rugby player turned boxer is some gold standard of progression.

Tougher opponents? Stop being silly.

Anderson Silva alone is better than everyone Bill-Williams fought.

If you don't agree, name one who is better.

Everyone who boxes professionally.

Anderson Silva, at the time of facing Jake Paul, was:
- 47 years old.
- Zero amateur experience.
- 3-1 in boxing with wins over retired wrestling based mixed martial artist Tito Ortiz and soon to be section Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
- 2-7 in his last 10 MMA fights plus a No Contest. This includes four stoppage losses.

I think he's great but in MMA, not boxing. Different sports entirely.

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 09:40 Anderson Silva alone is better than everyone Bill-Williams fought.

If you don't agree, name one who is better.

squiggy wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 09:53 Everyone who boxes professionally.

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 10:16 Anderson Silva, at the time of facing Jake Paul, was:
- 47 years old.
- Zero amateur experience.
- 3-1 in boxing with wins over retired wrestling based mixed martial artist Tito Ortiz and soon to be section Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
- 2-7 in his last 10 MMA fights plus a No Contest. This includes four stoppage losses.

I think he's great but in MMA, not boxing. Different sports entirely.

If you guys can’t even keep track of the discussion, it’s no wonder it’s going in circles. First it’s “everyone who boxes professionally,” now it’s a whole tangent about MMA records. That’s not a counter, that’s changing the topic. I’ll leave you to debate yourselves.

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 16:47

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 09:40 Anderson Silva alone is better than everyone Bill-Williams fought.

If you don't agree, name one who is better.

squiggy wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 09:53 Everyone who boxes professionally.

joshj909 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 10:16 Anderson Silva, at the time of facing Jake Paul, was:
- 47 years old.
- Zero amateur experience.
- 3-1 in boxing with wins over retired wrestling based mixed martial artist Tito Ortiz and soon to be section Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
- 2-7 in his last 10 MMA fights plus a No Contest. This includes four stoppage losses.

I think he's great but in MMA, not boxing. Different sports entirely.

If you guys can’t even keep track of the discussion, it’s no wonder it’s going in circles. First it’s “everyone who boxes professionally,” now it’s a whole tangent about MMA records. That’s not a counter, that’s changing the topic. I’ll leave you to debate yourselves.

Squiggy was saying that everyone on Sonny Bill Williams' record that boxes professionally is a better win than Silva. I was showing why Silva was not a good win in comparison with those who are actual boxers.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr deported, jailed in Mexico after ICE detainment

Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr was jailed in Mexico on Monday, nearly seven weeks after he was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.

The second-generation boxer and former middleweight titlist is currently being held in a jail in Hermosillo, Sonora, according to Mexico’s National Detention Registry. Documents show that he was taken into policy custody in Sonora after taken through the U.S./Mexico border checkpoint.

Confirmation of his being imprisoned in Mexico was confirmed by the nation’s president, Claudia Sheinbaum, during her press conference on Tuesday morning.

“I understand [Chavez] was deported,” said Sheinbaum, who was elected in 2024 as the nation’s first ever woman to hold the office. “I don’t know if it was [Monday] or [Tuesday] morning but we were informed he is going to arrive in Mexico.

“There was an arrest warrant; this was communicated several weeks ago. When he was arrested [in Southern California], there was an arrest warrant in Mexico.”

Chavez, 54-7-1 (34 KOs) was arrested by federal agents on July 3, less than a week after he was “determined to be in the country illegally and removable on June 27, 2025” according to a previous statement issued by Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The timing unknowingly placed Chavez as a fugitive on the day of the weigh-in ahead of his June 28 cruiserweight clash with influencer Jake Paul in Anaheim, California. Chavez, the son of Hall of Fame legend Julio Cesar Chavez Snr, lost a ten-round, unanimous decision, to further send his boxing career into a freefall.

For now, that is the least of his worries.

It was insinuated that the 39-year-old is an affiliate of the Sinaloa Cartel, a drug trafficking crime syndicate identified by U.S. president Donald Trump as a foreign terrorist organization.

Chavez’s legal team dismissed the allegations as “outrageous and simply another headline to terrorize the community.”

However, authorities are prepared to go the distance with its alleged evidence to the contrary. DHS claimed that Chavez has an outstanding warrant in Mexico for his alleged involvement in organized crime and trafficking firearms, ammunition, and explosives. He was also due to appear in court last month on a separate weapons possession charge from 2024.

Chavez ran into immigration trouble in the U.S. after it was alleged by authorities that he provided “multiple fraudulent statements on his application to become a Lawful Permanent Resident.”

It was subsequently acknowledged by Sheinbaum that there was an active arrest order issued against the boxer since 2023. The warrant was never served, however, since he was predominantly in the U.S. during that time. .

“Our family is deeply saddened by the current situation,” the Chavez family said at the time in a joint statement provided to BS. “In these difficult times, we reiterate our total and unconditional support for Julio. We fully trust in his innocence and his humanity, as well as in the justice institutions of both Mexico and the United States, in whom we place our hope that this situation will be clarified according to law and truth.

“Julio is, above all, a son, a father, and a human being who has faced multiple challenges in his personal and professional life. As a family, we respectfully ask that due process be guaranteed and that premature judgments that violate his dignity and that of those around him be avoided.”

Chavez’s detainment came amidst the nation’s alarmingly aggressive approach to immigration in the U.S.

Protests and riots have broken out across the country, including Southern California, in opposition to the tactics rolled out by the Trump administration during his second term. Nearly 60,000 individuals have been taken into ICE detention since President Trump took office for the second time in January.

Sendo Takeshi wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025, 09:40 Anderson Silva alone is better than everyone Bill-Williams fought.

If you don't agree, name one who is better.

Chauncy Welliver and Frans Botha by some distance. Mainly because, they were, in fact, boxers.

JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. RELEASED FROM PRISON, AWAITS TRIAL OVER ALLEGED CARTEL TIES

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr was released from a northern Mexican prison on Sunday, and a Hermosillo judge said Chavez will stand trial over alleged cartel ties and arms trafficking.

The Associated Press reported Sunday, per Chavez’s lawyer Ruben Fernando Benitez Alvarez, that the Mexican court "imposed additional measures and granted three months of further investigation into the case."

Alvarez told the AP that the claims against the 39-year-old Chavez are “speculation” and “urban legends,” but if convicted, Chavez could face a four-to-eight-year prison sentence.

The AP also reported that Chavez doesn’t have to remain in custody while awaiting trial but is prohibited from leaving Mexico.

Chavez was deported from the United States to Mexico on Aug. 19 following his July 2 arrest by federal agents outside his Los Angeles home for overstaying his visa and lying on a green card application. The incident occurred four days after Chavez fought Jake Paul to a 10-round unanimous decision loss in Anaheim, California.

At the time of his arrest, the United States Department of Homeland Security stated that Chavez had an active arrest warrant in Mexico since 2023 for his “involvement in organized crime and trafficking firearms, ammunition, and explosives” and that he was “believed to be an affiliate of the Sinaloa Cartel.”