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The one saving grace for me was Ben having Pegg in his corner let’s hope he takes some of Jon’s kindness in his armour moving forward

I don't like the stoppage either, Cameron obviously rocked big with the right and Whittaker folowed up with some big shots to the body as well as the head, I think a composed ref or a ref that's not English gives Cameron a count when he squatted on to the ropes, Foster's always gonna stop that, it's what he does,

Cameron was faring better in the 2nd but he was still a bit plodding and slow, thought Whittaker was looking sharp in all fairness, showed a good repertoire in the wee while it lasted

It was warming up nicely, Whittaker winning on the outside, but being made to work hard to keep Cameron off, it had only gone a round and a half and Foster ruined it for everyone.

And the you got Benji and Whittaker running round like wronguns, and as if they had won the fight

Just awful

Kilburn wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:51

KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:35

JC wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:19

Adeleye plays that role a bit.

Good shout.
What about Okolie? He is like that Colin Robinson character in What We Do In The Shadows.

I need to watch that again some time, I can’t recall too many films as consistently funny all the way through.

It's been a TV series as well for 6 seasons.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:01

Kilburn wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:51

KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:35
Good shout.
What about Okolie? He is like that Colin Robinson character in What We Do In The Shadows.

I need to watch that again some time, I can’t recall too many films as consistently funny all the way through.

It's been a TV series as well for 6 seasons.

Yes as I just encountered on IMDB, definitely going to give the series a whirl.

Foster ruins fights for the fans, his Groves Froch 1 stoppage should have seen him banned. The BBBoC is jobs for the boys though as we know.

just watched it now finally and it did seem strange he wasn't given a count first but it did look like it was just a matter of time. got caught with a nasty punch that got him wobbling and into survival mode. if ref didn't stop it or give a count, Cameron would have been knocked out eventually in that barrage.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:08 Foster ruins fights for the fans, his Groves Froch 1 stoppage should have seen him banned. The BBBoC is jobs for the boys though as we know.

And he got away with it

And awful commentators, who know what side there bread is buttered, go and justify it.

Gareth Davies was awful again tonight

golden_labrador wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:10 just watched it now finally and it did seem strange he wasn't given a count first but it did look like it was just a matter of time. got caught with a nasty punch that got him wobbling and into survival mode. if ref didn't stop it or give a count, Cameron would have been knocked out eventually in that barrage.

We never had the chance to find out

But nothing flush was getting through

And it's strong to stay he would have been knocked out anyway, his head could easily have cleared or he could have taken a knee.

Yes he got caught with a sharp shot but Whittaker isn't a puncher.

Coco wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:13

golden_labrador wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:10 just watched it now finally and it did seem strange he wasn't given a count first but it did look like it was just a matter of time. got caught with a nasty punch that got him wobbling and into survival mode. if ref didn't stop it or give a count, Cameron would have been knocked out eventually in that barrage.

We never had the chance to find out

But nothing flush was getting through

And it's strong to stay he would have been knocked out anyway, his head could easily have cleared or he could have taken a knee.

Yes he got caught with a sharp shot but Whittaker isn't a puncher.

I guess we'll never know. Has Cameron said anything yet?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 17:42 If Liam can see nearly all of Quittie's shots coming and block them on his gloves and forearms- then anyone a slight step up from him can as well. Andy Lee will be well aware of that now.
So expect a slow rise through the ranks for Ben from now on.

It's been a slow rise anyway. Liam Cameron should've been a stepping stone. It wasn't meant to turn out like this. Next they're saying will be Dan Azeez. It's slow as treacle.

Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

He was rocked twice and looked like he was going to be overwhelmed. A premature stoppage? Hmm possibly, but was the outcome in doubt, I’d suggest not.

We’re just gutted that Whittaker hasn’t been drowned as we hoped he would, and irritated by the smugness of Shalom. We can vent at Foster, but I’d rather take it out on Cameron for talking loads and delivering fornicate all when it mattered.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:18

Coco wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:13

golden_labrador wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:10 just watched it now finally and it did seem strange he wasn't given a count first but it did look like it was just a matter of time. got caught with a nasty punch that got him wobbling and into survival mode. if ref didn't stop it or give a count, Cameron would have been knocked out eventually in that barrage.

We never had the chance to find out

But nothing flush was getting through

And it's strong to stay he would have been knocked out anyway, his head could easily have cleared or he could have taken a knee.

Yes he got caught with a sharp shot but Whittaker isn't a puncher.

I guess we'll never know. Has Cameron said anything yet?

He is fuming, shouting and swearing yeah! Don't think that counts as said!!!

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:25 Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

He was rocked twice and looked like he was going to be overwhelmed. A premature stoppage? Hmm possibly, but was the outcome in doubt, I’d suggest not.

We’re just gutted that Whittaker hasn’t been drowned as we hoped he would, and irritated by the smugness of Shalom. We can vent at Foster, but I’d rather take it out on Cameron for talking loads and delivering fornicate all when it mattered.

Quite reasonable to say Cameron is domestic class

That doesn't take away from Foster being incompetent or corrupt

How can we know if the outcome was in doubt or not?

We certainly don't know if Whittaker can fight more than 4 rounds at a good pace, or if he is above domestic class himself

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:25 Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

He was rocked twice and looked like he was going to be overwhelmed. A premature stoppage? Hmm possibly, but was the outcome in doubt, I’d suggest not.

We’re just gutted that Whittaker hasn’t been drowned as we hoped he would, and irritated by the smugness of Shalom. We can vent at Foster, but I’d rather take it out on Cameron for talking loads and delivering fornicate all when it mattered.

Pretty much agree with the thrust of what you are saying there, Ben, although I quite like Whittaker. But...I don't like those types of stoppages, precisely because they are inconclusive and cause needless debate. Foster should have let it play out, so you don't need to write the line "was the outcome in doubt, I'd suggest not".

grats to ben on passing his english level test after failing the first time. i guess this makes him a world boxing superstar

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 15:21 Tetteh wanted a rematch with the ref

just watched it now and it looked like Tetteh was getting a telling off from his dad in the corner after! Tetteh did well to get up from that and honestly after seeing him against Whyte, I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been able to continue a bit longer. he's got some kind of living dead energy in him nowadays.

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:34

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:25 Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

He was rocked twice and looked like he was going to be overwhelmed. A premature stoppage? Hmm possibly, but was the outcome in doubt, I’d suggest not.

We’re just gutted that Whittaker hasn’t been drowned as we hoped he would, and irritated by the smugness of Shalom. We can vent at Foster, but I’d rather take it out on Cameron for talking loads and delivering fornicate all when it mattered.

Pretty much agree with you there, Ben. BUT...I don't like those types of stoppages, precisely because they are inconclusive and cause needless debate. Foster should have let it play out, so you don't need to write the line "was the outcome in doubt, I'd suggest not".

Hi Jimmy / Coco. I get the frustration with Foster. We’re missing an exclamation mark - I just didn’t see Cameron getting through that crisis, but to your points, we’ll never know.

My immediate reaction was one of frustration towards Cameron though after all the talk in the build-up. He didn’t turn up, maybe kudos to Whittaker for not allowing him to. But Cameron was in trouble tonight because of Cameron, not because of Foster.

I think Whittaker will be a bust sooner rather than later regardless, but let’s see. To his credit, he did everything asked of him tonight and it’s a shame for Whittaker too that Foster is dominating the headlines in the trade.

Maybe I’m in the minority but the stoppage seemed ok to me and Cameron didn’t appear to complain about it. Still over a minute of the round to go which is a long time when you’re taking punches and not throwing back. In hindsight he should’ve taken a knee.

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:41

Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:34

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:25 Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

He was rocked twice and looked like he was going to be overwhelmed. A premature stoppage? Hmm possibly, but was the outcome in doubt, I’d suggest not.

We’re just gutted that Whittaker hasn’t been drowned as we hoped he would, and irritated by the smugness of Shalom. We can vent at Foster, but I’d rather take it out on Cameron for talking loads and delivering fornicate all when it mattered.

Pretty much agree with you there, Ben. BUT...I don't like those types of stoppages, precisely because they are inconclusive and cause needless debate. Foster should have let it play out, so you don't need to write the line "was the outcome in doubt, I'd suggest not".

Hi Jimmy / Coco. I get the frustration with Foster. We’re missing an exclamation mark - I just didn’t see Cameron getting through that crisis, but to your points, we’ll never know.

My immediate reaction was one of frustration towards Cameron though after all the talk in the build-up. He didn’t turn up, maybe kudos to Whittaker for not allowing him to. But Cameron was in trouble tonight because of Cameron, not because of Foster.

I think Whittaker will be a bust sooner rather than later regardless, but let’s see. To his credit, he did everything asked of him tonight and it’s a shame for Whittaker too that Foster is dominating the headlines in the trade.

Tactically wise I'm sure Camerons plan was to do little for 4 rounds, hands up and tight, and just walk Whittaker down.

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:48 Maybe I’m in the minority but the stoppage seemed ok to me and Cameron didn’t appear to complain about it. Still over a minute of the round to go which is a long time when you’re taking punches and not throwing back. In hindsight he should’ve taken a knee.

yeah, that's why I asked what Cameron said after, because he seemed to accept the stoppage at the time. maybe he was going mad about the errant dribble.

I wish he had taken a knee because like lots have already said, it would have probably led to proper ending and we'd only be talking about spit

Lightsoot wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 18:25 Can we not just conclude that Cameron is bang average, always has been a rank disappointment, and the first fight flattered him?

No.
It's fine for a boxer to weather the storm and come on strong like Liam did in the first fight, and didn't get the chance to in the second.
Rewatch tonight's bout and see Liam blocking 80% of Whittaker's shots, even though Whittaker has the faster hand speed - being able to do that takes a lot of experience and skill born of repetition.
And we kinda know Liam's level from his career, so to me, it's more that Ben Whittaker is bang average (right now in his career) and maybe even domestic honours might not be in his future unless there is a soft challenge or vacant opportunity.
I dunno, but the shine has gone.

cameron is an english level fighter, never can get a win above that. thats not an insult, but there are more than enough results to show his threshold

Got to see the stoppage, it was premature but I think the end was probably coming soon. I'm still not convinced he's all that though, someone I know said he reckons he can be bigger and better than Naz! I just laughed at that to be fair.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025, 15:20 Ok.. so now what for Faze

He is in and about that good brittish levle. Being on sky (access to mainstream) I would look for other olympians… I think that’s as good a selling point as they can get for him…

Joyce for an Olympic showdown.

Adeley or TKV for the British

Hughie fury is a nice option.

Moses if fraze fancy’s it… (scary option)

Aliev olympic rematch.

Jalov Olympic rematch..

Dychco, yoka, (Olympic battles)

Obviously some are very winnable some are very tough… fraz has decent name value and is an Olympic medalist and is not super super good… so he actualy shouldent struggle too much getting opponents. Personally I think I’d like to see another soft touch then the brittish.