MMA

Deadendgeneration · Post by **Deadendgeneration** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:50

Baby Face Finster wrote:Cruz showed unbelievable recuperative powers in the loss. I think Garbrandt will beat Dillashaw.

He did although Garbrandt let him off the hook a few times.

Baby Face Finster · Post by **Baby Face Finster** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:51

Rousey got destroyed way worse than what Holm did to her. Nunes just teed off on her. It was brutal. Time to retire Ronda.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:52

Bye Bye Ronda

I can't believe how easy she made it look. Didn't get overawed by the moment, fought smart and went out and made a big statement.

AND JOE ROGAN BRINGING UP THE FACT THAT THE UFC DIDNT PROMOTE NUNES AT ALL

crusader · Post by **crusader** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:55

I kinda enjoyed seeing that

I could never warm to Rousey and found the hype to be utterly unbearable

crusader · Post by **crusader** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:58

Are Holm and Nunes the best strikers she's fought?

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 01:59

Wow. Cody put on an amazing performance. HUGE win for him.

Rousey...well...

punchoutsb wrote: She has been more prone to run out and wing punches because her low IQ coach has her thinking she's a striker. She's not; in fact her hands are some of the worst among the top of the division. If she fights smart and to her strengths Nunes will have a short night. If Ronda tries to knock her out to prove a point (exactly what she did against Bethe), she's going to sleep.

She never learned how to close distance on a striker because her coach and team are a bunch of yes men. We just saw the last of Ronda Rousey in MMA.

Tinnie · Post by **Tinnie** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:02

I almost feel sorry for Rousey..... but then i remember how she treated her opponents.... if she'd ever shown the slightest bit of humility during her glory days, i might feel sorry for her....

Cruz is a freak but still got a little clowned tonight, wasnt as impressed with Dillashaw...

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:04

punchoutsb wrote:Wow. Cody put on an amazing performance. HUGE win for him.

Rousey...well...

punchoutsb wrote: She has been more prone to run out and wing punches because her low IQ coach has her thinking she's a striker. She's not; in fact her hands are some of the worst among the top of the division. If she fights smart and to her strengths Nunes will have a short night. If Ronda tries to knock her out to prove a point (exactly what she did against Bethe), she's going to sleep.
She never learned how to close distance on a striker because her coach and team are a bunch of yes men. We just saw the last of Ronda Rousey in MMA.

I think Edmund is a terrible coach but a friend of mine who knows him was speaking to him at 193 and asked hm a few question like why didn't you get her to do this or this etc and Edmunds reply was that she doesn't listen so you can maybe get her to do one thing you've told her to.

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:06

Tinnie wrote:I almost feel sorry for Rousey..... but then i remember how she treated her opponents.... if she'd ever shown the slightest bit of humility during her glory days, i might feel sorry for her....

Cruz is a freak but still got a little clowned tonight, wasnt as impressed with Dillashaw...

I do feel very sorry for her and I hope she has loved ones close to her tonight.

But as far as the sport goes she was a pioneer for womens MMA and built a mystique beating up part timers. She was a bully, but the game catches up fast. It always does. And the savage UFC PR machine did her no favors marketing her the way they did. Goodbye Hollywood, goodbye MMA, goodbye spotlight.

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:08

crusader wrote:Are Holm and Nunes the best strikers she's fought?

They're the only.

p4p1 wrote:I think Edmund is a terrible coach but a friend of mine who knows him was speaking to him at 193 and asked hm a few question like why didn't you get her to do this or this etc and Edmunds reply was that she doesn't listen so you can maybe get her to do one thing you've told her to.

That still falls on the coach though. I agree Rousey believed her own hype and doesn't seem to listen to anyone, but Edmund fed that by talking about her dropping world champion boxers and beating Floyd Mayweather. He essentially destroyed her career by killing any chance at progression she may have had.

jujigatame · Post by **jujigatame** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:17

I feel like the Bethe Correia fight was really bad for her. Correia was an awful opponent who had beaten nobody, and Ronda KOing her convinced Ronda that she was a legit striker. Hell I'll even admit she had me fooled for a few months there. But Holm exposed her flaws and the fact that she showed absolutely no progressing in fixing any of those flaws in this fight means it's time for a huge change in her training, or more likely, retirement.

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:20

jujigatame wrote:I feel like the Bethe Correia fight was really bad for her. Correia was an awful opponent who had beaten nobody, and Ronda KOing her convinced Ronda that she was a legit striker. Hell I'll even admit she had me fooled for a few months there. But Holm exposed her flaws and the fact that she showed absolutely no progressing in fixing any of those flaws in this fight means it's time for a huge change in her training, or more likely, retirement.

I agree, that win went to her head. It started with the McMann fight though; her team starting (jokingly) referring to her as a knockout fighter after stopping McMann and her fighting style began to change. But Bethe was definitely the catalyst. Cardinal sin, believing your own hype. She hasn't shown for the press conference yet either.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:25

punchoutsb wrote:
jujigatame wrote:I feel like the Bethe Correia fight was really bad for her. Correia was an awful opponent who had beaten nobody, and Ronda KOing her convinced Ronda that she was a legit striker. Hell I'll even admit she had me fooled for a few months there. But Holm exposed her flaws and the fact that she showed absolutely no progressing in fixing any of those flaws in this fight means it's time for a huge change in her training, or more likely, retirement.
I agree, that win went to her head. It started with the McMann fight though; her team starting (jokingly) referring to her as a knockout fighter after stopping McMann and her fighting style began to change. But Bethe was definitely the catalyst. Cardinal sin, believing your own hype. She hasn't shown for the press conference yet either.

On a motorbike forum I post I had an argument with people about her not being a good strike but being technically extremely flawed. Of course all they saw were quick knockouts so swore black and blue I was wrong.

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:28

p4p1 wrote:
punchoutsb wrote:
jujigatame wrote:I feel like the Bethe Correia fight was really bad for her. Correia was an awful opponent who had beaten nobody, and Ronda KOing her convinced Ronda that she was a legit striker. Hell I'll even admit she had me fooled for a few months there. But Holm exposed her flaws and the fact that she showed absolutely no progressing in fixing any of those flaws in this fight means it's time for a huge change in her training, or more likely, retirement.
I agree, that win went to her head. It started with the McMann fight though; her team starting (jokingly) referring to her as a knockout fighter after stopping McMann and her fighting style began to change. But Bethe was definitely the catalyst. Cardinal sin, believing your own hype. She hasn't shown for the press conference yet either.
On a motorbike forum I post I had an argument with people about her not being a good strike but being technically extremely flawed. Of course all they saw were quick knockouts so swore black and blue I was wrong.

I stopped talking about it with untrained friends/acquaintances some time ago. Her striking is and was beyond poor. It is abysmal.

crusader · Post by **crusader** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:30

Has there been a greater two fight fall?

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:33

crusader wrote:Has there been a greater two fight fall?

I don't think I've ever seen a Mixed Martial Artist receive the level of hype Ronda did. To suffer two terrible dominating defeats like this...in my opinion it is the biggest fall from grace I've witnessed.

Exoddus · Post by **Exoddus** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:44

She's fought two decent strikers and lost both. She's just been exposed, not a big deal really. Whenever she fights someone who can punch she'll lose again. She has no head movement and she opens up once a single jab has landed. Whoever's been training her needs shooting.

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:46

God that was a satisfying 47 seconds. I'm hearing trainer blame. Is this the excuse she'll run with?

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 02:58

lazboy wrote:God that was a satisfying 47 seconds. I'm hearing trainer blame. Is this the excuse she'll run with?

Going on recent form, we won't hear anything from her. And if we do it won't be about fighting.

crusader · Post by **crusader** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:00

Hard to see her coming back from that given the mental fragility she showed after the Holm loss

punchoutsb · Post by **punchoutsb** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:04

Rousey turned me off, as did the UFC PR machine...but I'm legitimately concerned for her safety tonight. I've been pretty vocal that I think she has serious mental issues...more than myself or anyone I've ever had the pleasure of working with in the fight game. I hope she has loved ones close. That was brutal, humiliating, and there really isn't any coming back from that for her.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:10

punchoutsb wrote:Rousey turned me off, as did the UFC PR machine...but I'm legitimately concerned for her safety tonight. I've been pretty vocal that I think she has serious mental issues...more than myself or anyone I've ever had the pleasure of working with in the fight game. I hope she has loved ones close. That was brutal, humiliating, and there really isn't any coming back from that for her.

It certainly runs in her family. Her dad committed suicide, and I've never thought her mum seemed that stable.

I truly do have trouble feeling sorry for her though because she is such a bully and a big mouth but I certainly hope she doesn't cause herself harm.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:10

https://streamable.com/vcdm6

Full fight with Edmonds audio. He is at least telling her to move her head etc

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:12

p4p1 wrote:
lazboy wrote:God that was a satisfying 47 seconds. I'm hearing trainer blame. Is this the excuse she'll run with?
Going on recent form, we won't hear anything from her. And if we do it won't be about fighting.

True. She'll be in hiding.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 31 Dec 2016, 03:14

Now I've watched it a few times, Nunes really was phenomenal tonight. She fought extremely smart didn't charge in even when she hurt Ronda and was patient. She was wary of the clinch and immediately defended when Rousey closed the distance. I don't know who challenged the new improved version of her right now. I guess Valentina would be the one after their close fight but I would love to see Cyborg vs Nunes. It would be a war.

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