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reggaereggae wrote:Odds for Kovalev - Cleverly are now up. You can get 5/4 on Clev and 4/5 on Kovalev. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

That and Darren Barker in a double.

Early days but the 9/1 ladbrokes are offering on groves by dec is good value IMO!

sgtcecil wrote:Early days but the 9/1 ladbrokes are offering on groves by dec is good value IMO!

I like that price too. IF he stays out of trouble he has the style and the tactics of Booth to frustate the socks off Froch.

sgtcecil wrote:Early days but the 9/1 ladbrokes are offering on groves by dec is good value IMO!

It certainly is, it's way off the mark and it'll probably go off half that price.

reggaereggae wrote:Odds for Kovalev - Cleverly are now up. You can get 5/4 on Clev and 4/5 on Kovalev. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Kovalev KO will be one of my choices in some sort of double/treble. I don't expect Groves to win but the aforementioned 9/1 on PTS is good value as the price should be about 6/1.

Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Odds for Kovalev - Cleverly are now up. You can get 5/4 on Clev and 4/5 on Kovalev. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Kovalev KO will be one of my choices in some sort of double/treble. I don't expect Groves to win but the aforementioned 9/1 on PTS is good value as the price should be about 6/1.

Been mulling this over. Kovalev is keen and a little crude but looks very fit, with a very nice left hand. What I have noticed though is how open he is when he's throwing shots especially his right hand. Ive no idea about Sergeys punch resistance so I'll be backing Clev for just the win. He will be well up for this in Wales and infront of the HBO spotlight for the first time.

The Insider wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

Groves had problems early doors with a totally shot, snail-paced Glen Johnson. How's he going to deal with 12 rounds of pressure from a proven tough nut with a good workrate? If you're not a slickster you can forget about beating Froch, at some point Groves' inexperience will show, he will try and go to war and get eaten alive.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

The Insider wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

Groves had problems early doors with a totally shot, snail-paced Glen Johnson. How's he going to deal with 12 rounds of pressure from a proven tough nut with a good workrate? If you're not a slickster you can forget about beating Froch, at some point Groves' inexperience will show, he will try and go to war and get eaten alive.

This may sound crazy but I think Groves is a better all rounder than Froch.

I expect Froch to win a fight which may be difficult to score. Groves can fight, move and has power. Froch may have to fight Groves in a way he doesn't usually do to beat him.

he's very inexperienced to be going in with a close to prime froch. he's also shown that hes not that difficult to hit, which is ok at a lower level, but will not be clever when in with the big boys.
the only way this fight makes sense to me is if froch is in decline, but i would have thought that will be in about 18 months to two years down the road.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

The Insider wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

Groves had problems early doors with a totally shot, snail-paced Glen Johnson. How's he going to deal with 12 rounds of pressure from a proven tough nut with a good workrate? If you're not a slickster you can forget about beating Froch, at some point Groves' inexperience will show, he will try and go to war and get eaten alive.

May have been shot, but 18 months prior to his shut out loss to Groves he took Froch to a SD.

The Insider wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

The odds are irrelevant in this one George isnt winning.

The Insider wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:Odds for Kovalev - Cleverly are now up. You can get 5/4 on Clev and 4/5 on Kovalev. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Kovalev KO will be one of my choices in some sort of double/treble. I don't expect Groves to win but the aforementioned 9/1 on PTS is good value as the price should be about 6/1.

Been mulling this over. Kovalev is keen and a little crude but looks very fit, with a very nice left hand. What I have noticed though is how open he is when he's throwing shots especially his right hand. Ive no idea about Sergeys punch resistance so I'll be backing Clev for just the win. He will be well up for this in Wales and infront of the HBO spotlight for the first time.

I want to see Nathan win but no matter who he fights he always seems to eat punches. Kovalev will be the ultimate chin test and I just can't see him be able to take it, I think he will get taken out middle rounds.

Finn wrote:

The Insider wrote:

Hagler2002 wrote:Groves is live in this, I'm not slagging Froch off but his record isn't half as good as people make it out to be.

All day, whether Froch handed him his ass in sparring or not Groves is in wth a very good shout. It's cocked my strategy right up as I expected Groves by KO to be wider than the points win so I suppose it shows (imo of course) that the points price is too wide.

The odds are irrelevant in this one George isnt winning.

That's not strictly true from a betting perspective. The bookies seem to agree with you though. If I want to make a oner out of this fight based purely on the win odds. You can either put 400 quid on Carl or 28 and a bit on Groves. I've bet a damn sight more on leaner odds of the 1/4 odds that are being offered on Froch but I thought it was better value.I still fancy Groves by stoppage. There I said it. :-)

I don't think George is winning but you're obviously correct that betting is all about the value rather than 'X isn't winning so the odds are irrelevant' .

If the bookies price something up as 9/1 and it should be 6/1, you're still making money in the long term assuming you are consistently good at spotting the value bets.
However thinking about this one a bit more 9/1 might be about right. I just don't think it's very likely at all that Groves makes it to the final bell, let alone does enough to outhustle Froch and win on points.

The Insider wrote: That's not strictly true from a betting perspective. The bookies seem to agree with you though. If I want to make a oner out of this fight based purely on the win odds. You can either put 400 quid on Carl or 28 and a bit on Groves. I've bet a damn sight more on leaner odds of the 1/4 odds that are being offered on Froch but I thought it was better value.I still fancy Groves by stoppage. There I said it. :-)

Its seems value for money if you think groves is going to win, but ive got to be honest if it was 20/1 i still wouldnt bet on groves. Froch stoppage between rounds 5 and 8 i reckon, similar style to the bute fight. Groves is quality but he is taking this fight way too early, scraping past De Gale and digging deep to come back from being hurt by anderson is not the same as beating JT, Pascal, dirrell, AA, Kessler and Bute. And lets face it Johnson came for the payday against groves he was up for it against froch having just wiped out Green in the super six. If you think thats not a good record you're kidding yourself.

I don't think anyone can question Carl's record, guts or legacy. The simple fact is I dont give Froch an 80% chance of winning. Win he might, but I'd rather but I'd rather stake smaller and reap higher in this fight.

The Insider wrote:I don't think anyone can question Carl's record, guts or legacy. The simple fact is I dont give Froch an 80% chance of winning. Win he might, but I'd rather but I'd rather stake smaller and reap higher in this fight.

my post about Frochs record was a general post by "yourself" i was talking to people in general just to be clear.

WelshJack wrote: May have been shot, but 18 months prior to his shut out loss to Groves he took Froch to a SD.

No, it was an MD which consisted of a draw and two rather wide cards.

judge: Mark Green 116-112 | judge: John Stewart 117-111 | judge: Nobuaki Uratani 114-114

9/1 a great price for Groves on points. Let's face it, he aint winning by KO is he, so that's his ONLY chance of winning, so 9/1 on a Groves win is big odds and worth a punt. Now if only I had some money in my Ladbrokes account!

TheCobra wrote:9/1 a great price for Groves on points. Let's face it, he aint winning by KO is he, so that's his ONLY chance of winning, so 9/1 on a Groves win is big odds and worth a punt. Now if only I had some money in my Ladbrokes account!

It's a good price but is Groves going to put up the kind of performance that Kessler put up in their first fight or Ward in that distance fight. Can't see it going the distance. Ill be lumping on Froch stoppage.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: It's a good price but is Groves going to put up the kind of performance that Kessler put up in their first fight or Ward in that distance fight. Can't see it going the distance. Ill be lumping on Froch stoppage.

Yeah, remember how hard Kessler had to fight to even edge Froch in their first fight. Now imagine Groves being able to do that. He just doesn't have the constitution.

In other news, Mayweather stoppage is 6/1 guys. Looks like good value to me???? I could see a late TKO due to Canelo being outclassed/corner retirement?

I'm thinking accumulator of Mayweather stoppage, Froch stoppage, Haye stoppage, Kovalev stoppage, and mayyybe Pascal stoppage, and then a separate accumulator with Mayweather decision and no Pascal stoppage.

dookus wrote:

WelshJack wrote: May have been shot, but 18 months prior to his shut out loss to Groves he took Froch to a SD.

No, it was an MD which consisted of a draw and two rather wide cards.

judge: Mark Green 116-112 | judge: John Stewart 117-111 | judge: Nobuaki Uratani 114-114

Yeah my mistake, but Groves just schooled him,

billy bessey wrote:I had 40 on Snedeker at 9s in the canadian golf which has chances. My friend had £200e.w on Kuchar at 20s. I can see someone firing a 62 to come from behind tonight though ive never seen greens look as easy on a pro course then these

Billy, I'm seething about this event! I backed Mahan ante post at 22/1. Playing some superb golf 2 shots clear after 2 rounds and just over an even money favourite I thought I was going to be collecting my 3rd sizeable wedge in as many weeks until the fornicator withdrew due to his wife going into labour