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[LeRoiDuRing]

- Thanks, LeRoi. What with guffawing my gut sore over over all the Gyspy Remoaners in a clusterfest over their brave n'er do well Champion melting like a dropped snowcone in August, I haven't had this much fun in ages. Or at least since the Managing Editor of Fightnews Flattop, RIP, and I were laughing over the uncalled KD where one of Rahman's 1001 jabs waddles Toney backwards across the ring into the ropes. Toney suffered the Roy Jones KD with similar effect, and then the time when Fast Fres rolled TwoTon out of the ring like a beer barrel into the laps of the now heavily pressed press.

I never got Stallone as a guy no bigger than me but needing steroids to be with me challenging the hvywt champ. We did have our Rudi Lubbers, The Lion of Flanders, and our 'enery, et al, so when the wife took the weekend to be with her parents for their 30th wedding anniversary, that coincided with Rocky I-V being shown consecutively on Espn, the sum total of that franchise then. Larded up with an icebox of beer, plenty of smokes and fixin's, I settled in for an 8 hour marathon of doubled over paroxysms that left me near disabled the next day from my sore stomach. I'd have been thrown out the movie theatre or started umpteen fights had I seen it that fashion.

Burgess Meredith an elderly actor by then recognized the full camp potential of his role to make the film for me, just brilliant. He didn't live long enough to see the franchise to completion. I'll be laughin' off an on for days now as that much comedy packed into a modern prize fight amalgamated with Rocky is almost too much for a normal human to bear. Gypsy, yeah, gypsy

I'm don't think I understood 100% of what you said but I'm happy you liked it !

Stallone did use growth hormones and other P.E.Ds to prepare for the Rocky movies but the man is still tough as nails. He would still be destroyed in a real boxing fight of course shown by his infamous sparring sessions with Duran and Shavers during the preparation of Rocky 2 and 3 but as a movie fighter he's certainly one of the toughest with Charles Branson, Jackie Chan and Jean-Paul Belmondo. He looks very very good for his age. Damn I'd say he's in far better shape at 75 years old now than most americans in their 20's

Yep a Rocky Marathon alone with loads of beers and things to enjoy is certainly an experience I would have to try someday.

Burgess Meredith was a great actor. He sadly had to wait really late in his career to get the recognition he deserved. After Rocky 3 the sequels feels a bit empty without him. Man his monologue in the church in Rocky 2 should've have gotten him an oscar, it can hardly can any better than this.

[Ambling Alp II]

Rocky Balboa vs. Mason ''The Line'' Dixon

A weird moment for boxing when the greatest challenge for the undisputed champion was a retired for 20 years 60 years old man. The fight was meant to be an exhibition but knowing Rocky war instinct he transformed what was announced as a glorified sparring session into a pure oldschool slugfest and almost clutched a decision but did the judges got it right ?

Round 1 : 10-9 Dixon. The champion is landing few jab at an unbalanced Rocky looking like he doesn't want to hurt the older man too much. Rocky tries to trap him in a corner but Dixon gets the best of the exchange. Solid round for the champion

Round 2 : 10-8 Dixon. What a round 3 knockdowns ! Dixon is able to put an already tiring Rocky to the canvas 2 times and just when it looked like the fight was about to get stopped Rocky got up and was able to score a knockdown of his own with the most terrific body blows the champion certainly ever took !

Round 3 : 10-9 Balboa Solid round for the former 2-times champion. He landed some bodyshots reminiscent of his wars with Creed and Drago. The champ right hand looks hurt !

Round 4 : 10-9 Balboa What a round for Rocky ! He was able to follow the bodyshots with beautiful right hooks upstairs.

Round 5 : 10-9 Dixon The champion hands seems ta have healed from the injury which happened in the closing seconds of round 2 ! He was able to hurt Rocky many times with combinations !

Round 6 : 10-9 Balboa Rocky is coming back with sheer will he's pushing and traping the champion against the ropes to land largs heavy bombs to the body !

Round 7 : 10-9 Dixon The champion was able to hurt Rocky with a solid combination but not enough to put him down !

Round 8 : 10-9 Dixon. Rocky looks hurt. The fight looks it's about to get stopped again !

Round 9 : 10-9 Balboa. Closest round of the fight. Balboa was able to come back but the champion was also able to land terrific blows. I'd give it to Rocky as it looked like he was one landing the most efficient shots !

Round 10 : 10-8 Dixon. The champion was able to finally scores another knockdown hoping to get the fight finally stopped but Rocky got up like a warrior and fought back like he did 25 years ago in his greatest performance. Dixon was still able to land dangerous punches after the knockdown. Solid round to finish the fight for the champion despite Rocky landing a last hard left hand just at the bell !

TOTAL : 96-92 for the still undefeated and undisputed champion Mason ''The Line'' Dixon !

For me it's a pretty evident win for the champion due to the 3 knockdowns he scored during the fight. The judges got it a lot closer, and one of them even scored it for Rocky ! But I can't blame them Rocky was able to sign an unseen performance against top opposition for such an old man who hadn''t fight in decades !

OK let's get a little bit more serious for a minute here. I hope scoring fictionnal fight is allowed. All I can say is this was a lot of fun to write and I hope it was also a lot of fun to read for you !

I don't see why we can have real scoring for a fictional fight.
After all, we sometimes have fictional scoring for a real fight.

[LeRoiDuRing]

I don't see why we can have real scoring for a fictional fight.
After all, we sometimes have fictional scoring for a real fight.

Yeah I know right. To be fair, Stallone made a pretty good job writing the choregraphy and the scoring in a realistic way despite the age gap.

I should make a compilation of the worst scorecards I've ever seen and also my most controversial scorecards (for example I do have the first Wilder-Fury fight scored 113-113 and the SRL-Hearns II fight 114-112 for SRL but I already did post that last one.)

[DrDuke]

Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs Evander Holyfield I

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Qawi 10-9
5: Qawi 10-9
6: Qawi 10-9
7: Qawi 10-9
8: Qawi 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Holyfield 10-9
13: Holyfield 10-9
14: Holyfield 10-9
15: Qawi 10-9

Total: Holyfield 144-141

Obviously, it was a highly competetive fight, but I'm not sure, how they came up with a SD, especially in the Holy's hometown. Evander started better with the speed advantage, but then Qawi began using swarming tactics well and became a boss for a row of rounds until Holyfield ultimately took over. Holy even sorta gave away the last round feeling the victory. Qawi looked frustrated following the final bell. A great fight, both brought it in.

[scartissue]

Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs Evander Holyfield I

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Qawi 10-9
5: Qawi 10-9
6: Qawi 10-9
7: Qawi 10-9
8: Qawi 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Holyfield 10-9
13: Holyfield 10-9
14: Holyfield 10-9
15: Qawi 10-9

Total: Holyfield 144-141

Obviously, it was a highly competetive fight, but I'm not sure, how they came up with a SD, especially in the Holy's hometown. Evander started better with the speed advantage, but then Qawi began using swarming tactics well and became a boss for a row of rounds until Holyfield ultimately took over. Holy even sorta gave away the last round feeling the victory. Qawi looked frustrated following the final bell. A great fight, both brought it in.

Haven't seen this since watching it live. Felt it was FOTY. At the time I felt Qawi scraped home a win. Really need to see this again.

[Seamus]

My favorite moment in that fight was in the last 30 seconds when Qawi played hurt and lured Holyfield into a flurry. Both these guys would have kicked Toney's ass. Too much stamina and durability.

[DrDuke]

My favorite moment in that fight was in the last 30 seconds when Qawi played hurt and lured Holyfield into a flurry. Both these guys would have kicked Toney's ass. Too much stamina and durability.

Holyfield would kick Toney's ass without a doubt. Not sure about Qawi though.

[DrDuke]

Marco Huck vs Krzysztof Glowacki

1: Glowacki 10-9
2: Huck 10-9
3: Glowacki 10-9
4: Huck 10-9
5: Huck 10-9
6: Huck 10-8 (Glowacki down)
7: Glowacki 10-9
8: Huck 10-9
9: Huck 10-9
10: Huck 10-9

Huck 97-92

11: Glowacki TKO

A one of the greatest cruiserweight fights ever. It started close, but the pole was landing the biggest shots. In the 6th Huck knocked Glowacki down with a left... hook. It was a so hard knockdown, that the pole barely stood up at the closing seconds of the count, but he was so gutsy, that managed to fight back afterwards. Anyway, Huck was gradually breaking Glowacki down, until Marco made a big mistake in the 11th, when he hit Glowacki with a combo, which was blocked, after which Huck went backwards with hands down. The pole countered to the wide opened Huck and knocked him down hard. Marco got up with a lot of struggling, but he was vulnerable and Glowacki finished him off fast.

[DrDuke]

Steve Cunningham vs Tomasz Adamek

1: Cunningham 10-9
2: Adamek 10-8 (Cunningham down)
3: Adamek 10-9
4: Adamek 10-9 (Cunningham down in the round, which he had been winning convincingly before)
5: Cunningham 10-9
6: Cunningham 10-9
7: Cunningham 10-9
8: Adamek 10-8 (Cunningham down)
9: Adamek 10-9
10: Cunningham 10-9
11: Adamek 10-9
12: Cunningham 10-9

Total: Adamek 114-112

A one of the absolutely best CW showdowns, action-packed, with 3 knockdowns and multiple shifts of momentum. The thing is, it was Cunningham, who was down for all three times, while the fight itself was even, so it's surprising, how the judges came up with SD, probably a hometown factor for the American in the US worked. Anyway, Adamek deserved it more and he got it.

[DrDuke]

Yoan Pablo Hernandez vs Steve Cunningham Dilogy

#1

1: Hernandez 10-8 (Cunningham down)
2: Cunningham 10-9
3: Cunningham 10-9
4: Hernandez 10-9
5: Cunningham 10-9
6: Cunningham 10-9

TD (Clash of heads)

Total: Cunningham 57-56

Cunningham was down hard at the end of the 1st, but overall he pressed forward and looked more effective. Yet the hometown fighter eventually got the decision.

#2

1: Hernandez 10-9
2: Hernandez 10-9
3: Hernandez 10-9
4: Hernandez 10-7 (Cunningham down 2X)
5: Cunningham 10-9
6: Cunningham 10-9
7: Cunningham 10-9
8: Cunningham 10-9
9. Cunningham 10-9
10: Cunningham 10-9
11: Hernandez 10-9
12: Hernandez 10-9

Total: Hernandez 114-112

Hernandez started the fight much better than the first time, he clearly won the first 4 rounds and knocked down Cunningham twice in the 4th. Steve was hurt badly, but he had tons of guts. Hernandez went lethargic after that and blew a row of rounds, until the final two. In the last round Cunningham was hurt. By rounds it looked even, but Herenandez hurt Cunningham more and knocked him down twice, so this time he won fairly.

[DrDuke]

Denis Lebedev vs Murat Gassiev

1: Gassiev 10-9
2: Lebedev 10-9
3: Gassiev 10-9
4: Gassiev 10-9
5: Gassiev 10-8 (Lebedev down)
6: Lebedev 10-9
7: Lebedev 10-9
8: Gassiev 10-9
9: Gassiev 10-9
10: Lebedev 10-9
11: Lebedev 10-9
12: Gassiev 10-9

Total: Gassiev 115-112

Gassiev pressed forward and relied on his power, Lebedev tried to move and box. Lebedev did a solid effort and outworked Gassiev, but Gassiev was better with quality. Lebedev felt Gassiev's power frequently, while Lebedev's shots did almost nothing to the opponent. Gassiev relied on this too much, as he often was pressing forward without caring a lot about the defence, he was taking some unnecessary shots, but still it was Lebedev, who was looking hurt and bothered majorly. So, the fight was competetive and close, but it's impossible to give it to Lebedev.

[DrDuke]

Murat Gassiev vs Yunier Dorticos

1: Gassiev 10-9
2: Gassiev 10-9
3: Dorticos 10-9
4: Dorticos 10-9
5: Gassiev 10-9
6: Gassiev 10-9
7: Gassiev 10-9
8: Gassiev 10-9
9: Gassiev 10-9
10: Gassiev 10-9
11: Gassiev 10-9

Gassiev 108-101

12: Gassiev TKO

I don't know, how the scores appeared to be close enough. Yes, Dorticos pushed the action and was outjabbing Gassiev in the couple of rounds, but Gassiev clearly was in control and was landing the biggest shots in the vast majoriry of rounds. Gassiev did a beautiful job on the backfoot, great hand and body movement, great blocking, excellent counters, switching the levels, short and accurate power punching. A quite one-sided fight, but entertaining, cause a one guy was always pressing, while the other one was landing beautiful shots all night long. And the knockdown were spectacular.

[DrDuke]

Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua

1: Ibeabuchi 10-9
2: Ibeabuchi 10-9
3: Ibeabuchi 10-9
4: Ibeabuchi 10-9
5: Tua 10-9
6: Ibeabuchi 10-9
7: Tua 10-9
8: Tua 10-9
9: Tua 10-9
10: Ibeabuchi 10-9
11: Tua 10-9
12: Ibeabuchi 10-9

Total: Ibeabuchi 115-113

Ibeabuchi controlled the fight. He was utterly better from the outside with jabs and follow-ups, he managed to outfight Tua inside. Ibeabuchi was very technical and precise. Tua landed the biggest shots, but that was an occasional success in the fight, which was controlled by the other guy. Tua woke up too late and even the row of Tua's rounds on my card is way more arguable, than the row of Ike's rounds early on. Ibeabuchi vastly outworked Tua and landed more than David.

[scartissue]

Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs Evander Holyfield I

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Holyfield 10-9
3: Holyfield 10-9
4: Qawi 10-9
5: Qawi 10-9
6: Qawi 10-9
7: Qawi 10-9
8: Qawi 10-9
9: Holyfield 10-9
10: Holyfield 10-9
11: Holyfield 10-9
12: Holyfield 10-9
13: Holyfield 10-9
14: Holyfield 10-9
15: Qawi 10-9

Total: Holyfield 144-141

Obviously, it was a highly competetive fight, but I'm not sure, how they came up with a SD, especially in the Holy's hometown. Evander started better with the speed advantage, but then Qawi began using swarming tactics well and became a boss for a row of rounds until Holyfield ultimately took over. Holy even sorta gave away the last round feeling the victory. Qawi looked frustrated following the final bell. A great fight, both brought it in.

Dwight Qawi v Evander Holyfield I

Round 1: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 2: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 3: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 4: 10-9 Qawi
Round 5: 10-9 Qawi
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 8: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 9: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 10: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 11: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 14: 10-9 Qawi
Round 15: 10-9 Qawi

Total: 146-141 Holyfield, but wait! Alex Wallau says right after the fight that referee Vinnie Rainone deducted a point from Qawi for a low blow. One has to think it was for the 15th, but I'm not sure. So whatever round it was deducted, my card would be 146-140 for Holyfield (actual scores: 144-140 and 147-138 both for Holyfield and a 143-141 for Qawi for a split win for Holyfield.

The first time I saw this live I actually thought Qawi edged it, but I was a fan and screaming at everything Dwight threw. Looking at it more realistically, a solid win for Holyfield in a terrific 15 round contest.

[scartissue]

Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua

1: Ibeabuchi 10-9
2: Ibeabuchi 10-9
3: Ibeabuchi 10-9
4: Ibeabuchi 10-9
5: Tua 10-9
6: Ibeabuchi 10-9
7: Tua 10-9
8: Tua 10-9
9: Tua 10-9
10: Ibeabuchi 10-9
11: Tua 10-9
12: Ibeabuchi 10-9

Total: Ibeabuchi 115-113

Ibeabuchi controlled the fight. He was utterly better from the outside with jabs and follow-ups, he managed to outfight Tua inside. Ibeabuchi was very technical and precise. Tua landed the biggest shots, but that was an occasional success in the fight, which was controlled by the other guy. Tua woke up too late and even the row of Tua's rounds on my card is way more arguable, than the row of Ike's rounds early on. Ibeabuchi vastly outworked Tua and landed more than David.

The first time I saw it I had Ike edging it by a point. The second time I saw it I had it a draw. Here is my score and what I wrote at that time:

Round 1: 10-9 Ike
Round 2: 10-9 Ike
Round 3: 10-9 Ike
Round 4: 10-9 Ike
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Tua
Round 7: 10-9 Tua
Round 8: 10-9 Tua
Round 9: 10-9 Ike
Round 10: 10-9 Tua
Round 11: 10-9 Tua
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 115-115 Draw

I think I agreed on only about half of Harold Lederman's card, but one thing we did agree on was that this is a very difficult fight to score. Not so much for the reasons he stated (that with heavy's it is hard to see inside work) but, my reasoning that, do you score for the heavier, eye-catching blows or the consistent ones. You have to find a happy medium for yourself - something no one else can show you. For instance the 9th round that Harold scored for Tua and I gave Ike. I thought Tua did very little that round but threw and landed a couple of haymakers. I was more impressed with the busier Ike and that jab of his, which I feel is one of the best jabs I've seen a heavyweight throw. Hard and pin-point. Anyways, I'm on my soapbox, suffice to say a great fight and I'll bet everyone has a different score on this one. Just a tough fight on the judge, let alone the combatants.

[margaret thatcher]

ike won that 116-113, more consistent offense, landed more, took tua's shots fine. the jabbing and even just the touch of movement ike added threw tua off.

if tua had been rattling him or something, then i'd see more of an argument for the 'bigger shots' thingy, as it were i dont think tua had the superior connects

[DrDuke]

Marco Huck vs Denis Lebedev

1: Lebedev 10-9
2: Huck 10-9
3: Huck 10-9
4: Lebedev 10-9
5: Huck 10-9
6: Huck 10-9
7: Lebedev 10-9
8: Huck 10-9
9: Lebedev 10-9
10: Huck 10-9
11: Huck 10-9
12: Lebedev 10-9

Total: Huck 115-113

A competetive fight, but Huck edged it. Lebedev was an aggressor, but he didn't land a lot of clean punches. Huck was economical, more precise and he landed the biggest shots. Lebedev was eating right hands all night long. Lebedev was rocked in the 2nd round and there was an arguable moment of Lebedev going down at the end of the 5th, but not being given a count. Well, he looked more out of balance than hurt, but it happened after he had taken a clean shot. Anyway, a solid effort for Lebedev, but it wasn't enough. Although Huck didn't edge it wide, while he gave away the last round, as if he had won all previous ones.

[margaret thatcher]

i had it 115-113 lebby, close fight for sure. only difference in my card is i gave lebedev 2 and 3 as well, to sweep the first 4. i didnt think huck really offered much up at the start. as the fight progressed he started landing pot shot lead right hands more and more

i never thought leb was hurt, though i did think he hurt huck to the body a few times, around the 4th.

[DrDuke]

i had it 115-113 lebby, close fight for sure. only difference in my card is i gave lebedev 2 and 3 as well, to sweep the first 4. i didnt think huck really offered much up at the start. as the fight progressed he started landing pot shot lead right hands more and more

i never thought leb was hurt, though i did think he hurt huck to the body a few times, around the 4th.

Well, Lebedev was rocked hard in the 2nd round, I dunno how it's possible to give the round to him. His legs buckled after the taken shot and he went backwards. He slowed down after that episode, so in the 3rd Huck continued to look like boss. Those two are among of the best Huck's rounds, I'd say.

[margaret thatcher]

disagree, thought leb bossed the first 3rd of the fight and was ahead going into the 2nd half

[DrDuke]

Steve Cunningham vs Guillermo Jones

1: Cunningham 10-9
2: Jones 10-9
3: Jones 10-9
4: Cunningham 10-9
5: Cunningham 10-9
6: Cunningham 10-9
7: Jones 10-9
8: Cunningham 10-9
9: Cunningham 10-9
10: Jones 10-9

Total: Cunningham 96-94

A competetive fight with a clear edge of Cunningham, yet it was quite vapid, without many clean and heavy shots.

[DrDuke]

Steve Cunningham vs Marco Huck

1: Huck 10-9
2: Huck 10-9
3: Huck 10-9
4: Cunningham 10-9
5: Cunningham 10-9
6: Huck 10-9
7: Cunningham 10-9
8: Cunningham 10-9
9: Cunningham 10-9
10: Huck 10-9
11: Huck 10-9

Huck 105-104

12: Cunningham TKO

A close fight. Huck needed a KO in the 12th according to the officials, which was strange, because he was a hometown fighter, while the fight was close. Actually, I have a mininmal edge towards Huck before the last round. Huck often fought in spurts, but he was stealing a lot of rounds with that, as they often seemed either-way-going.

[DrDuke]

Lennox Lewis vs Ossie Ocasio

Rounds 1-8: Lewis 10-9

Overall: Lewis 80-72

That was a first fight of rising Lewis against an opponent with a noteworthy name, although Ocasio was shabby. Ossie was static and focused on the defence, surviving without much effort of winning. Lewis was moving well and outboxing Ocasio behind jabs and follow-ups. In the late rounds Lewis landed some good power punches. Ocasio looked bothered, but managed to survive. A shutout for Lewis.

[DrDuke]

Lennox Lewis vs Frank Bruno

1: Bruno 10-9
2: Bruno 10-9
3: Bruno 10-9
4: Lewis 10-9
5: Bruno 10-9
6: Lewis 10-9
7: Lewis TKO

Before the stoppage: Bruno 58-56

A decent effort by Bruno, who was an aggressor through the bout. Lewis started surprisingly slow, but he was able to remain focused, catch Bruno and feel the blood. Bruno outjabbed Lewis and landed some hard punches in the 3rd and 5th. He was in the offence again, when Lewis caught him in the 7th with a great counter. Bruno immediately appeared vulnerable, Lewis cornered him and battered to the stoppage.

[DrDuke]

Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward

#1
1: Kovalev 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-8 (Ward down)
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Kovalev 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Kovalev 10-9
9: Ward 10-9
10: Kovalev 10-9
11: Ward 10-9
12: Ward 10-9
Total score: Kovalev 115-112

Robbery. Kovalev controlled the fight, visibly outlanded Ward, hurt him more, while didn't look bothered himself. Kovalev's rounds were his clearly. Ward's rounds were close.

#2
1: Ward 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-9
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Ward 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Ward TKO
Total score before the stoppage: Ward 67-66

Highly disputable bout and a close one before the final round. Kovalev fought like in the 1st meeting. Ward made adjustments. Ward's jab was sharper than before, his right hand was more frequent and powerful, his body work was better, but it was foulish on some occasions indeed. Yes, a lot of shots were borderline, but the last one was clearly low. Even if to count it as legit, the stoppage still sucked, Kovalev should have at least been given a count.