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Re: Chris Norrad
Posted: 14 Oct 2010, 20:39
by norradjer99
Ric wrote:It looks a bit odd to me, when reviewing the
Canadian cruiserweight rankings, that a guy like Chris Norrad (5-0-0) is rated below two guys with with 1-0 records (Ryan Ford and Taylor Bull)--even after clicking those two boxers' opponents' records. Something doesn't quite seem right about that.
Chris Norrad is my brother!
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 21 Oct 2010, 11:59
by keithmoonhangover
Can someone please explain why Jimmy Bivins is #4 in the All Time Heavyweight Ratings? This is just plain wrong.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 16:38
by m1kee50
how much work would it be to provide the user with an option to view the database at a certain point in time?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 18:53
by computerrank
MatthewS wrote:how much work would it be to provide the user with an option to view the database at a certain point in time?
What do you mean with - to view the database at a certain point in time, please?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 31 Oct 2010, 05:00
by m1kee50
computerrank wrote:MatthewS wrote:how much work would it be to provide the user with an option to view the database at a certain point in time?
What do you mean with - to view the database at a certain point in time, please?
if I wanted to know what the database - had it existed at that point in time - looked at on say 1st Jan 1955... as opposed to the All-Time ratings. I guess this would mean 'running' the bout calculation from year dot and then stopping it once all bouts prior to that date had occured...
also, any chance of being able to produce a boxers points progression through his career as one line graph?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 31 Oct 2010, 17:09
by keithmoonhangover
keithmoonhangover wrote:Can someone please explain why Jimmy Bivins is #4 in the All Time Heavyweight Ratings? This is just plain wrong.
Can someone please respond. It's not a dig. I just want to know.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 31 Oct 2010, 17:47
by computerrank
keithmoonhangover wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Can someone please explain why Jimmy Bivins is #4 in the All Time Heavyweight Ratings? This is just plain wrong.
Can someone please respond. It's not a dig. I just want to know.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
He reached his career high in light heavyweight 1943
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 04:57
by keithmoonhangover
computerrank wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Can someone please explain why Jimmy Bivins is #4 in the All Time Heavyweight Ratings? This is just plain wrong.
Can someone please respond. It's not a dig. I just want to know.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer
He reached his career high in light heavyweight 1943
I have read his record. There is nothing in that record that qualifies him to be rated #4 Heavy.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 10:30
by JCS
keithmoonhangover wrote:
I have read his record. There is nothing in that record that qualifies him to be rated #4 Heavy.
What he's trying to tell you is that he was set to the wrong division for all-time calculations. He is now at Light Heavy.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 17:55
by computerrank
MatthewS wrote:computerrank wrote:MatthewS wrote:how much work would it be to provide the user with an option to view the database at a certain point in time?
What do you mean with - to view the database at a certain point in time, please?
if I wanted to know what the database - had it existed at that point in time - looked at on say 1st Jan 1955... as opposed to the All-Time ratings. I guess this would mean 'running' the bout calculation from year dot and then stopping it once all bouts prior to that date had occured...
also, any chance of being able to produce a boxers points progression through his career as one line graph?
- ratings on Jan 1 for every year -> would mean to store 2 additional values (division and points) for every boxer and every year - this would be millions of additional values to be updated and stored every day -> overload
- one line graph for rating points -> problem: division moves within career
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 21:43
by Asterix
computerrank wrote:- one line graph for rating points -> problem: division moves within career
What's the problem?
Here's Amir Khan's:

Points on the left, fight number along the bottom.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 02:35
by computerrank
Asterix wrote:computerrank wrote:- one line graph for rating points -> problem: division moves within career
What's the problem?
Here's Amir Khan's:

Points on the left, fight number along the bottom.
The problem is, that the points decrease / increase technically in case of weight division step-up / step-down.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 08:31
by Asterix
computerrank wrote:Asterix wrote:computerrank wrote:- one line graph for rating points -> problem: division moves within career
What's the problem?
Here's Amir Khan's:

Points on the left, fight number along the bottom.
The problem is, that the points decrease / increase technically in case of weight division step-up / step-down.
But it'll only be
after they've had a fight that division, right?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 08:43
by computerrank
Asterix wrote:computerrank wrote:Asterix wrote:
What's the problem?
Here's Amir Khan's:

Points on the left, fight number along the bottom.
The problem is, that the points decrease / increase technically in case of weight division step-up / step-down.
But it'll only be
after they've had a fight that division, right?
... right ...
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 09:07
by Asterix
In which case I think it's fine. I'd really like to see it, especially for the boxers with a lot of fights.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 10:12
by JCS
Would that graph really add any utility, especially considering rating inflation (or even deflation), division changes, etc?
I think an annual Top 50 in each division would be more useful.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 24 Nov 2010, 02:48
by m1kee50
what did the HW ratings look like the day after RJJ beat Ruiz?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 27 Nov 2010, 15:56
by BoxingTrainer
I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION MY FIGHTER IS ACTIVE AND HAS HAD FOUR PRO FIGHTS. Record 1-3-1ko but is listed as not rated how come?
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 27 Nov 2010, 19:57
by computerrank
BoxingTrainer wrote:I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION MY FIGHTER IS ACTIVE AND HAS HAD FOUR PRO FIGHTS. Record 1-3-1ko but is listed as not rated how come?
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Who is your fighter, please?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 28 Nov 2010, 12:20
by computerrank
MatthewS wrote:what did the HW ratings look like the day after RJJ beat Ruiz?
Code: Select all
+------------+------------+-------------+----------+------+
| first_name | last_name | division | boxer_id | r |
+------------+------------+-------------+----------+------+
| Lennox | Lewis | Heavyweight | 1853 | 1045 |
| Roy | Jones Jr | Heavyweight | 1758 | 727 |
| Chris | Byrd | Heavyweight | 4923 | 625 |
| Wladimir | Klitschko | Heavyweight | 7035 | 624 |
| David | Tua | Heavyweight | 4343 | 533 |
| Mike | Tyson | Heavyweight | 474 | 427 |
| Hasim | Rahman | Heavyweight | 6070 | 420 |
| Vitali | Klitschko | Heavyweight | 7033 | 387 |
| Kirk | Johnson | Heavyweight | 7777 | 366 |
| Fres | Oquendo | Heavyweight | 14027 | 361 |
| Evander | Holyfield | Heavyweight | 499 | 357 |
| Sinan | Samil Sam | Heavyweight | 9091 | 352 |
| John | Ruiz | Heavyweight | 4655 | 332 |
| DaVarryl | Williamson | Heavyweight | 15784 | 330 |
| Jameel | McCline | Heavyweight | 8943 | 306 |
+------------+------------+-------------+----------+------+
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 09 Dec 2010, 03:21
by m1kee50
tyvm
now why is it so hard to allow the user to do that themselves?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 09 Dec 2010, 07:47
by computerrank
MatthewS wrote:tyvm
now why is it so hard to allow the user to do that themselves?
You have to run through all the bouts - just as the daily rating program does.
It needs minutes and binds a lot of computing ressources.
So such requests are not acceptable for a click call by every user - sorry.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 12 Dec 2010, 07:32
by m1kee50
computerrank wrote:MatthewS wrote:tyvm
now why is it so hard to allow the user to do that themselves?
You have to run through all the bouts - just as the daily rating program does.
It needs minutes and binds a lot of computing ressources.
So such requests are not acceptable for a click call by every user - sorry.
fair enough. thanks for doing it at our beck and call tho.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 12 Dec 2010, 20:00
by computerrank
A corrected release of Boxrec Ratings was just launched.
The requirements for getting additional points were a bit increased for new and low rated boxers below 50 points.
Along the bout history some higher rated boxers are effected too.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Posted: 15 Dec 2010, 22:57
by squiggy
I noticed this when looking at Margarito's record and thinking, wow, I really thought he'd been coming into fights with higher ratings than that... Then I see the ratings through Pacquaio's history are a lot lower than I remember them, too. Sorry if I'm missing some place where it was explained, but did the new change mostly affect the ratings of a certain group of fighters? And did it mostly cause ratings to go down? What is it that changed, if it can be put simply?