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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 22:31
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Frank . . .

Just received this (See below) from promoter Ken Thompson. Thompson promotes WBC Champ Timothy Bradley.

How many other World Champions are willing to relinqish a world title on principle alone?
Bradley, like so many boxing purists, believe in ONE undisputed world champion, not the alphabet organizations.
This will likely cost him financially and perhaps professionally.

I wish him the best of luck.

Rick Farris




April 27, 2009

Mr. Jose Sulaiman Chagnon
President

World Boxing Council


Don Jose:

It has been a privilege representing the World Boxing Council as its super lightweight champion for the past 12 months and no one was more proud to wear that illustrious green belt than I.

The WBC believed in me and recognized my victories, advancing my ratings accordingly. Because of your support I was able to challenge Junior Witter for the WBC title last year and defend it and unify it, and for that I will always be grateful. It is important that unified champions should be encouraged thus eliminating the title confusion that permeates the sport or the media that cover it and the fans who follow it.

However, because the WBC has issued an edict to choose between titles, it is with a heavy heart that I relinquish my WBC title and allow the contenders below me to challenge for it.

I will always cherish my reign as WBC super lightweight champion and I hope to have the opportunity to fight for that honor again.

Sincerely,

Timothy Bradley
I have a feeling this kid will win it back :TU:

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 22:41
by dagosd2000

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 22:47
by dagosd2000
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Duke Ellintong's 101st birthday tomorrow. Hope he's jammin' with Frankie Manning tonight. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 01:02
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Frank . . .

Just received this (See below) from promoter Ken Thompson. Thompson promotes WBC Champ Timothy Bradley.

How many other World Champions are willing to relinqish a world title on principle alone?
Bradley, like so many boxing purists, believe in ONE undisputed world champion, not the alphabet organizations.
This will likely cost him financially and perhaps professionally.

I wish him the best of luck.

Rick Farris






April 27, 2009

Mr. Jose Sulaiman Chagnon
President

World Boxing Council


Don Jose:

It has been a privilege representing the World Boxing Council as its super lightweight champion for the past 12 months and no one was more proud to wear that illustrious green belt than I.

The WBC believed in me and recognized my victories, advancing my ratings accordingly. Because of your support I was able to challenge Junior Witter for the WBC title last year and defend it and unify it, and for that I will always be grateful. It is important that unified champions should be encouraged thus eliminating the title confusion that permeates the sport or the media that cover it and the fans who follow it.

However, because the WBC has issued an edict to choose between titles, it is with a heavy heart that I relinquish my WBC title and allow the contenders below me to challenge for it.

I will always cherish my reign as WBC super lightweight champion and I hope to have the opportunity to fight for that honor again.

Sincerely,

Timothy Bradley
I have a feeling this kid will win it back :TU:

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Rog . . . I do too. Here's the best part, believe it or not, Ken Thompson is good for boxing and boxers. He is a self made man, owner of Thompson Construction. They build big things, such as the South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa. His Thompson Building Materials supplies many of the major construction companies in California. He was the best President that the WBHOF ever had, the best since Everett Sanders, it's founder ( a guy Hap Navarro knew). He promoted the best banquets, and helped the boxers the most. He left before I was involved, one of the weasels who infiltrated the group insulted him. He left out of pride, and went on to form his promotional group, which pays bonuses to boxers who fight hard, or put on a great show. He's a boxing philanthropist (my term). He's not in it for the money (Hell, the man could buy and sell most of the people involved in the entire sport).

Timothy Bradley is one of today's better boxers, but Ken Thompson, his promoter, picks up the slack of the scum suckers like King and Arum. He has partnered recently with Gary Shaw, to help his smaller promotional group take off.

I wish Timothy Bradley the best, and Ken Thompson, as well. I have met Ken, but don't know him aside from the talk I hear from the few I respect who are involved with our organization. Ken is one of the positive personalities in boxing today, and his fighter Tim Bradley is another.

I don't know everything about boxing, I know a lot, and I learn more everyday. We no longer have yesterday, and I deal mostly in "yesterday" when it comes to boxers. However, I take seriously how these men are remembered. So did Ken thompson, whose main interest is selfless and positive. He's what's right about boxing.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 07:43
by kikibalt
Bob Oates dies at 93; longtime L.A. sportswriter

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Los Angeles Times
Former Los Angeles Times sportswriter Bob Oates was the last surviving original member of the selection committee for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He covered 39 consecutive Super Bowls and was the last surviving original member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection panel.

By Claire Noland
April 29, 2009

Bob Oates, a longtime sportswriter for The Times who covered 39 consecutive Super Bowls, died Monday at his home in Baldwin Hills of age-related causes, said his son, Bob Jr.. He was 93.

Oates, who also worked for other Los Angeles newspapers, was the last surviving original member of the panel of sportswriters that since 1962 has annually chosen the inductees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

"Even right up to the last meeting he attended, he was as informed and prepared as the first meeting," Joe Horrigan, vice president of communications for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, said Tuesday. "It was a pleasure to have him in the room. He was the grand old man. He had a soft voice, but everyone listened and paid attention."

Known as an analytical writer who focused on the Xs and O's of the game, Oates began his streak of covering the Super Bowl with the first one, played at the Coliseum in 1967. He worked each successive one through Super Bowl XXXIX on Feb. 6, 2005, and the Hall of Fame selection meeting the day before.

In 2006, when he was 90, he missed Super Bowl XL to stay home with his wife, Marnie, who had suffered a fall a few months earlier. She died in February 2006. Oates never attended another Super Bowl.


Only four sportswriters have covered every Super Bowl: Jerry Green of the Detroit News; Jerry Izenberg of the Newark Star-Ledger; Dave Klein, a former Star-Ledger reporter who had moved on to a pro football newsletter; and Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald.

The National Football League arrived in Los Angeles in 1946, when the Cleveland Rams moved west to play in the Coliseum, but Oates had been covering big-time football in Los Angeles since 1939.

His beat at the Hearst Corp.'s Examiner included USC and UCLA, teams that in those days were more popular than the NFL, and the minor league Los Angeles Bulldogs and Hollywood Bears.

Once the Rams showed up, he covered the NFL for the rest of his career, joining the Herald Examiner in 1962, when Hearst merged its morning and afternoon papers, and then to The Times in 1968.

"He loved the business, and he was the kind of writer who was fascinated by game strategy," columnist Bill Dwyre, The Times' former longtime sports editor, said Tuesday. "He was part sportswriter and part coach."

Oates received the Dick McCann Memorial Award in 1974 from the Pro Football Writers of America, recognizing long and distinguished reporting.

During football off-seasons, Oates wrote general-assignment sports stories on a broad range of subjects.

When the Rams pulled up stakes and moved to St. Louis in 1995 and the Raiders returned to Oakland that same year after 13 seasons in Los Angeles, Oates continued to write about the NFL from a national perspective.

He retired from his full-time position at The Times in 1995 but continued to write football columns for the paper and its website on a freelance basis until January 2007.

He wrote two football books, and in 1996 published "Sixty Years of Winners: A Sportswriter's Look at Champions of the Century."

Robert Maclay Oates was born May 20, 1915, in Aberdeen, S.D., one of four sons of William Maclay Oates, an administrator at what is now called Northern State University, and his wife, the former Idah Armstrong.

According to his 1996 memoir, Oates was a voracious reader of newspapers as a child. He published his own weekly while in high school and worked for a daily newspaper while attending Yankton College in South Dakota.

There he met his future wife, and, after graduation in 1937, they married and moved to Los Angeles. They had two sons, Bob Jr., a writer, and Steve, a dentist who died in 2003.

Oates served in the Army during World War II, staying stateside because of poor vision, and earned a master's degree in journalism at UCLA.

Besides his son, he is survived by two brothers and two grandchildren.

Services are pending.

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 07:51
by kikibalt
Manny Pacquiao puts Wild Card Boxing Club on the map

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Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times
Pacquiao transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world’s top fighter at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood.

By Lance Pugmire
April 29, 2009

Driving north on Vine Street in Hollywood, just above Santa Monica Boulevard, it'd be easy to miss the home gym of the world's best boxer, Manny Pacquiao, and his equally respected trainer, Freddie Roach.

It's across from a Taco Bell and just south of a Vagabond Inn and an Armenian Church, tucked in a nondescript strip mall with Nat's Thai Food, Nirvana Massage, Susie's Designs, a laundromat, a beer/wine market and an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room.

The gym, Wild Card Boxing Club, is in the rear of the second floor, upstairs from the laundromat.

Go up the concrete stairs and through a metal screen door and it leads into a room with two boxing rings, the distinct odors of sweat and freshly rolled hand tape, with walls decorated by two decades of fight posters. Dozens of fighters, pros and amateurs, are at various workout stations where heavy bags are swaying and speed bags are thumped.

It's here where workout fiend Pacquiao was transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world's top pound-for-pound fighter under the direction of Roach, who has owned and operated Wild Card since 1994.

Back then, Roach was working in Las Vegas, but actor Mickey Rourke was exploring a boxing career and urged the former journeyman boxer to train him here. So Roach opened the club in this small Hollywood location.

Boxing gyms are by nature gritty, and Wild Card is no different with its worn carpet and small changing room that barely allows Pacquiao to stretch his legs while sitting. A few fights ago, Roach tried to train Pacquiao at a beachside facility in the Philippines, but the local fans created "a lot of invitations and distractions," Pacquiao said, and it was decided Wild Card was the best home base for his fighter.

In December, the 30-year-old Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 knockouts) clinched 2008 fighter and trainer of the year recognition for himself and Roach, respectively, when he destroyed boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya and made the now-retired "Golden Boy" quit before the ninth round of their bout.

Junior Pineda, of Filipino descent and a Pacquiao fan visiting Wild Card from Cerritos, said, "Manny had already achieved God-like status before that with us."

But during Pacquiao's eight-week-long return to the U.S., after beating De La Hoya and in preparation for his Saturday night junior-welterweight fight in Las Vegas against England's Ricky Hatton, swarms of visitors descended upon Wild Card -- celebrities, new gym members and fans.

Roach said that since January he has signed up more than 300 new customers who pay him $5 a day or $50 a month to train. He has also hired a new assistant trainer, former heavyweight world champion Michael Moorer. "It's crazy," Roach said. "Who'd ever thought they'd all be coming to this place? I'm thinking about knocking a wall out to expand, or I might even have to move to a new place."

Wild Card stands firmly as a Hollywood hangout.

After winning his Golden Globe for best actor and before the Oscars were handed out, nominee Rourke ("The Wrestler") returned to sign movie posters for Wild Card members and visit his longtime friend Roach.

Wild Card member and singer Aimee Mann and her husband, singer Michael Penn, once played an impromptu concert during an amateur fight night "smoker" at the gym, Roach said. And during a recent Pacquiao workout, longtime Roach friend and boxing student/actor Mark Wahlberg came by to watch with actor friend Christian Bale.

Roach is so close to Wahlberg that he casually notes that he "knows the real 'Johnny Drama,' " who inspired the character in the HBO series "Entourage" that counts Wahlberg as a co-executive producer.

During the Wahlberg-Bale visit in late March, Roach saw Pacquiao was losing his concentration. So the trainer decided to close gym access during the fighter's 1-4 p.m. workouts and stop Saturday afternoon autograph sessions to keep Pacquiao's distractions at a minimum. Asked whether he enjoyed showing off for the famous, Pacquiao grinned widely and said, "Sometimes."

Enforcing the autograph ban falls to Rob Peters, an imposing bald man who serves as Pacquiao's bodyguard and an informal property manager continually barking for loitering car owners to park elsewhere.

"There's families with babies waiting outside for Manny for hours and hours. I tell them to leave," Peters said.

"The other day, I caught a guy with a load of dirty towels in his car so he could hang out in the laundromat. Then, he signs his kid up for a membership at the gym so he can stay longer. Then he goes over to the [Thai] restaurant when Manny's there, and, sure enough, he's sticking two boxing gloves in Manny's face hoping to get 'em signed."

Although the strip mall's Thai restaurant has a "B" health department grade card in its window, Pacquiao made a post-training meal there with his entourage part of his daily Wild Card routine, along with his training runs up to the Hollywood sign and the battering of his sparring partners.

Tina Srdakun, owner of Nat's Thai Food, says Pacquiao's party spends a minimum $500 on each weekday meal and more on Saturday feasts, with Pacquiao occasionally strumming a guitar and singing inside. The support has allowed the seven-table restaurant to survive lean times, Srdakun said.

"He's made it very busy," Srdakun said. "He just likes my food, and he's become like family. I know he's a very popular guy, the best boxer there is. But he's the best person too."

Next door at Nirvana Massage, a pitch black-tinted glass door opens into a dark room divided into draped-off quarters, where jars of body oils are set next to burning candles. An attractive Asian woman waves her arm for the visitor to enter, and another woman offers a hospitable smile.

"You want?" the woman asks, pointing to one of the massage tables.

No, says the visitor, who asks how the activity at the boxing club is affecting their business.

"No comment," the woman says, closing the door.

Johnny Drama wouldn't let the scene end that way, of course, but maybe Roach can pass it along to his Hollywood friends for a rewrite.

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 09:24
by kikibalt
What’s Next For Tim Bradley?
April 29, 2009 by Michele Chong

Team “Desert Storm” says full steam ahead!
“No one was more proud to wear that illustrious green belt than I,” said Timothy Bradley in a letter to World Boxing Council (WBC) President Jose Sulaiman. As he relinquished his WBC super lightweight title, the unbeaten 25-year-old said he is grateful for all their support.

Bradley, coming off of an April 4 Montreal victory against Kendall Holt, was apparently given a deadline to agree to a bout against mandatory challenger Devon Alexander (18-0, 11 KOs). When that agreement was not reached, reports are that Alexander will now be facing Junior Witter (whom Bradley had previously beaten for the belt) for this newly-vacant title.

Bradley (24-0, 11 KOs) is co-promoted by Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson. A couple of weeks ago, after the undefeated boxer had stated in an ESPN interview that he wanted to fight the winner of the Ricky Hatton-Manny Pacquiao fight, his co-promoter Thompson, wholeheartedly agreed with his young charge. “Tim is the ‘most together’ fighter in the business today–mentally or physically. Fear does not enter the game!” Thompson said to me. During this chat, I asked the promoter who he’d prefer as Bradley’s next foe? “Either Hatton or Pacquiao–he can beat either of them!” he said with confidence.

Now, as news travels fast about Bradley (aka “Desert Storm”) being stripped of his title, Alex Camponovo, matchmaker for Thompson Boxing Promotions says, “He’s vacated a title, but Tim’s still undefeated. And he’s the only champion in his division to have held two belts.”

In an exclusive conversation with Camponovo, he says it was not easy for Bradley to give up that green belt–but it was also not in the plans for Bradley to fight Devon Alexander. Camponovo, also General Manager of Thompson Enterprises, is quick to say that the sky’s the limit in regards to Bradley’s future.

So what’s next for him? Bradley still holds a WBO 140 title and his camp says they’re busy planning their next move. But what everyone really wants to know is: WHO is next for Tim Bradley?

Juan Manuel Marquez, Amir Khan, Juan Urango, Andriy Kotelnik are just a few of the names Camponovo listed as possible future opponents for their young champ. “He’s got a ton of options–we’re not holding onto any one name. There’s the winner of the fight this Saturday (Pacquiao-Hatton) who may go on to fight Mayweather…But there’s also Marquez (after his own Mayweather fight) Khan, Urango and Kotelnick.”

And you may be hearing these same names mentioned often as the boxing calendar fills up fast with their exciting matchups: Juan Urango will be fighting Andre Berto on May 30, Amir Khan will be squaring off against Andriy Kotelnik on June 27, and Marquez and Mayweather will (reportedly) go head to head on July 18.

Whether or not Bradley is to battle any of these particular names in the future is yet to be seen. For now, we can only anticipate what would be a solid round robin of action between any of the aforementioned combatants and great bouts for any fan.

I ask Camponovo if Bradley’s training right now and when the Palm Springs resident’s next battle might be. “He’s taking it easy right now, just running a little bit,” says the always-professional matchmaker. “Tim will be fighting late summer or early in the fall. We’ve opened up the conversations and we’ll know more soon.”

Stay tuned to this column as we all watch “Desert Storm” surge ahead!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 10:42
by kikibalt
President Obama is putting Tom Ray's town (Arnold, Mo.) on the map.... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 10:58
by kikibalt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8aSz_J__Uc

Pipino Cuevas vs Clyde Gray

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:06
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Bob Oates dies at 93; longtime L.A. sportswriter

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Los Angeles Times
Former Los Angeles Times sportswriter Bob Oates was the last surviving original member of the selection committee for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
He covered 39 consecutive Super Bowls and was the last surviving original member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection panel.

By Claire Noland
April 29, 2009

Bob Oates, a longtime sportswriter for The Times who covered 39 consecutive Super Bowls, died Monday at his home in Baldwin Hills of age-related causes, said his son, Bob Jr.. He was 93.

Oates, who also worked for other Los Angeles newspapers, was the last surviving original member of the panel of sportswriters that since 1962 has annually chosen the inductees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

"Even right up to the last meeting he attended, he was as informed and prepared as the first meeting," Joe Horrigan, vice president of communications for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, said Tuesday. "It was a pleasure to have him in the room. He was the grand old man. He had a soft voice, but everyone listened and paid attention."

Known as an analytical writer who focused on the Xs and O's of the game, Oates began his streak of covering the Super Bowl with the first one, played at the Coliseum in 1967. He worked each successive one through Super Bowl XXXIX on Feb. 6, 2005, and the Hall of Fame selection meeting the day before.

In 2006, when he was 90, he missed Super Bowl XL to stay home with his wife, Marnie, who had suffered a fall a few months earlier. She died in February 2006. Oates never attended another Super Bowl.


Only four sportswriters have covered every Super Bowl: Jerry Green of the Detroit News; Jerry Izenberg of the Newark Star-Ledger; Dave Klein, a former Star-Ledger reporter who had moved on to a pro football newsletter; and Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald.

The National Football League arrived in Los Angeles in 1946, when the Cleveland Rams moved west to play in the Coliseum, but Oates had been covering big-time football in Los Angeles since 1939.

His beat at the Hearst Corp.'s Examiner included USC and UCLA, teams that in those days were more popular than the NFL, and the minor league Los Angeles Bulldogs and Hollywood Bears.

Once the Rams showed up, he covered the NFL for the rest of his career, joining the Herald Examiner in 1962, when Hearst merged its morning and afternoon papers, and then to The Times in 1968.

"He loved the business, and he was the kind of writer who was fascinated by game strategy," columnist Bill Dwyre, The Times' former longtime sports editor, said Tuesday. "He was part sportswriter and part coach."

Oates received the Dick McCann Memorial Award in 1974 from the Pro Football Writers of America, recognizing long and distinguished reporting.

During football off-seasons, Oates wrote general-assignment sports stories on a broad range of subjects.

When the Rams pulled up stakes and moved to St. Louis in 1995 and the Raiders returned to Oakland that same year after 13 seasons in Los Angeles, Oates continued to write about the NFL from a national perspective.

He retired from his full-time position at The Times in 1995 but continued to write football columns for the paper and its website on a freelance basis until January 2007.

He wrote two football books, and in 1996 published "Sixty Years of Winners: A Sportswriter's Look at Champions of the Century."

Robert Maclay Oates was born May 20, 1915, in Aberdeen, S.D., one of four sons of William Maclay Oates, an administrator at what is now called Northern State University, and his wife, the former Idah Armstrong.

According to his 1996 memoir, Oates was a voracious reader of newspapers as a child. He published his own weekly while in high school and worked for a daily newspaper while attending Yankton College in South Dakota.

There he met his future wife, and, after graduation in 1937, they married and moved to Los Angeles. They had two sons, Bob Jr., a writer, and Steve, a dentist who died in 2003.

Oates served in the Army during World War II, staying stateside because of poor vision, and earned a master's degree in journalism at UCLA.

Besides his son, he is survived by two brothers and two grandchildren.

Services are pending.

[email protected]
Frank
This guy knew how to write about football,especially pro ball. I liked the Rams of the days of Van Brocklin,Hirsch,Jon Arnett. The Coliseum really had a feel for that team. Sid Gilman was one of the great innovators of the game. Opened up the passing attack. The trade for Ollie Matson backfired,and then Gilman came to the L.A. Chargers.

Bob Oates was telling us all. A reporter who didn't put himself in the center of things. Didn't want to stir up unnecessary problems. Bob Oates was not only a part of L.A. sports,but a voice for the Southland.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:19
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:President Obama is putting Tom Ray's town (Arnold, Mo.) on the map.... :lol:
Yeah, its a magical day here in Arnold . . . :roll: :roll: He's magically transformed our traffic patterns this morning . . . a five-minute drive now takes 45 minutes. :oo :oo

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:26
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Manny Pacquiao puts Wild Card Boxing Club on the map

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Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times
Pacquiao transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world’s top fighter at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood.

By Lance Pugmire
April 29, 2009

Driving north on Vine Street in Hollywood, just above Santa Monica Boulevard, it'd be easy to miss the home gym of the world's best boxer, Manny Pacquiao, and his equally respected trainer, Freddie Roach.

It's across from a Taco Bell and just south of a Vagabond Inn and an Armenian Church, tucked in a nondescript strip mall with Nat's Thai Food, Nirvana Massage, Susie's Designs, a laundromat, a beer/wine market and an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room.

The gym, Wild Card Boxing Club, is in the rear of the second floor, upstairs from the laundromat.

Go up the concrete stairs and through a metal screen door and it leads into a room with two boxing rings, the distinct odors of sweat and freshly rolled hand tape, with walls decorated by two decades of fight posters. Dozens of fighters, pros and amateurs, are at various workout stations where heavy bags are swaying and speed bags are thumped.

It's here where workout fiend Pacquiao was transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world's top pound-for-pound fighter under the direction of Roach, who has owned and operated Wild Card since 1994.

Back then, Roach was working in Las Vegas, but actor Mickey Rourke was exploring a boxing career and urged the former journeyman boxer to train him here. So Roach opened the club in this small Hollywood location.

Boxing gyms are by nature gritty, and Wild Card is no different with its worn carpet and small changing room that barely allows Pacquiao to stretch his legs while sitting. A few fights ago, Roach tried to train Pacquiao at a beachside facility in the Philippines, but the local fans created "a lot of invitations and distractions," Pacquiao said, and it was decided Wild Card was the best home base for his fighter.

In December, the 30-year-old Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 knockouts) clinched 2008 fighter and trainer of the year recognition for himself and Roach, respectively, when he destroyed boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya and made the now-retired "Golden Boy" quit before the ninth round of their bout.

Junior Pineda, of Filipino descent and a Pacquiao fan visiting Wild Card from Cerritos, said, "Manny had already achieved God-like status before that with us."

But during Pacquiao's eight-week-long return to the U.S., after beating De La Hoya and in preparation for his Saturday night junior-welterweight fight in Las Vegas against England's Ricky Hatton, swarms of visitors descended upon Wild Card -- celebrities, new gym members and fans.

Roach said that since January he has signed up more than 300 new customers who pay him $5 a day or $50 a month to train. He has also hired a new assistant trainer, former heavyweight world champion Michael Moorer. "It's crazy," Roach said. "Who'd ever thought they'd all be coming to this place? I'm thinking about knocking a wall out to expand, or I might even have to move to a new place."

Wild Card stands firmly as a Hollywood hangout.

After winning his Golden Globe for best actor and before the Oscars were handed out, nominee Rourke ("The Wrestler") returned to sign movie posters for Wild Card members and visit his longtime friend Roach.

Wild Card member and singer Aimee Mann and her husband, singer Michael Penn, once played an impromptu concert during an amateur fight night "smoker" at the gym, Roach said. And during a recent Pacquiao workout, longtime Roach friend and boxing student/actor Mark Wahlberg came by to watch with actor friend Christian Bale.

Roach is so close to Wahlberg that he casually notes that he "knows the real 'Johnny Drama,' " who inspired the character in the HBO series "Entourage" that counts Wahlberg as a co-executive producer.

During the Wahlberg-Bale visit in late March, Roach saw Pacquiao was losing his concentration. So the trainer decided to close gym access during the fighter's 1-4 p.m. workouts and stop Saturday afternoon autograph sessions to keep Pacquiao's distractions at a minimum. Asked whether he enjoyed showing off for the famous, Pacquiao grinned widely and said, "Sometimes."

Enforcing the autograph ban falls to Rob Peters, an imposing bald man who serves as Pacquiao's bodyguard and an informal property manager continually barking for loitering car owners to park elsewhere.

"There's families with babies waiting outside for Manny for hours and hours. I tell them to leave," Peters said.

"The other day, I caught a guy with a load of dirty towels in his car so he could hang out in the laundromat. Then, he signs his kid up for a membership at the gym so he can stay longer. Then he goes over to the [Thai] restaurant when Manny's there, and, sure enough, he's sticking two boxing gloves in Manny's face hoping to get 'em signed."

Although the strip mall's Thai restaurant has a "B" health department grade card in its window, Pacquiao made a post-training meal there with his entourage part of his daily Wild Card routine, along with his training runs up to the Hollywood sign and the battering of his sparring partners.

Tina Srdakun, owner of Nat's Thai Food, says Pacquiao's party spends a minimum $500 on each weekday meal and more on Saturday feasts, with Pacquiao occasionally strumming a guitar and singing inside. The support has allowed the seven-table restaurant to survive lean times, Srdakun said.

"He's made it very busy," Srdakun said. "He just likes my food, and he's become like family. I know he's a very popular guy, the best boxer there is. But he's the best person too."

Next door at Nirvana Massage, a pitch black-tinted glass door opens into a dark room divided into draped-off quarters, where jars of body oils are set next to burning candles. An attractive Asian woman waves her arm for the visitor to enter, and another woman offers a hospitable smile.

"You want?" the woman asks, pointing to one of the massage tables.

No, says the visitor, who asks how the activity at the boxing club is affecting their business.

"No comment," the woman says, closing the door.

Johnny Drama wouldn't let the scene end that way, of course, but maybe Roach can pass it along to his Hollywood friends for a rewrite.

[email protected]
Freddie Roach . . .

Occasionally, I'll stop by Wildcard to visit. I'm not close with Freddie Roach, but we will talk sometimes. His favorite fighter is Ruben Olivares, who I worked with for one fight 37-years-ago, so there is common interest. I think I worked a total of two dozen rounds with Olivares during that period, as he trained for Jesus Pimentel. Freddie wanted to know about Olivares, so I shared what memories I had, mainly what I saw him do with other sparring partners, his "habits" which were of concern to his promoter, George Parnassus. I was glad to have something of interest to provide.

Freddie's gym walls are loaded with memorabelia (as mentioned), and he wanted to show me a photo of his late father, in a fighting stance.You could see the family resemblence, the photo was B&W but you could tell the old man had the same red hair has the son. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. "My dad was a tough man, and he was hard on us. We got a lot beatings when he'd drink, my mom took the worst of it."

Roach told me what it was like in the South Boston area (Dedham, Mass.) where he was raised in the projects. "Some kids have swing sets in their yards, we had a boxing ring. Learning to box was not an option." Freddie's brother "Pepper" Roach was also a pro, and he works with boxers in his brother's gym, along with a crazy group of guys that seem to have followed Freddie west to make up quite an interesting group of gym rats. They have qualities that remind one of the old "Dead End Kids" movies.

Also working with boxers there is an old pal, Frankie Duarte. A couple years back, while visiting Duarte, we talked about the Teamster's Gym of the past and, of course, the name Frank Baltazar was mentioned. He told me stories about the 1973 National Golden Gloves team that Frank took to Boston. The stories were funny, and he wanted to talk with Frank, so I called Mr. Baltazar on my cell phone and handed it to Frankie. "Don't tell him who I am," Frankie insisted. I said, "OK, but don't piss him off being silly, or he'll stop taking my calls."

Anyway, this story brought back memories of that day. It's a great gym, Wildcard is that, however, it's too busy these days. Mel Epstein would really have a fit if he saw all the "broads" hanging out. He's say, "What are the whores doing here? Get 'em out or I'm leaving." And he'd leave. Things have changed, Mel.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:32
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Manny Pacquiao puts Wild Card Boxing Club on the map

Image
Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times
Pacquiao transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world’s top fighter at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood.

By Lance Pugmire
April 29, 2009

Driving north on Vine Street in Hollywood, just above Santa Monica Boulevard, it'd be easy to miss the home gym of the world's best boxer, Manny Pacquiao, and his equally respected trainer, Freddie Roach.

It's across from a Taco Bell and just south of a Vagabond Inn and an Armenian Church, tucked in a nondescript strip mall with Nat's Thai Food, Nirvana Massage, Susie's Designs, a laundromat, a beer/wine market and an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room.

The gym, Wild Card Boxing Club, is in the rear of the second floor, upstairs from the laundromat.

Go up the concrete stairs and through a metal screen door and it leads into a room with two boxing rings, the distinct odors of sweat and freshly rolled hand tape, with walls decorated by two decades of fight posters. Dozens of fighters, pros and amateurs, are at various workout stations where heavy bags are swaying and speed bags are thumped.

It's here where workout fiend Pacquiao was transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world's top pound-for-pound fighter under the direction of Roach, who has owned and operated Wild Card since 1994.

Back then, Roach was working in Las Vegas, but actor Mickey Rourke was exploring a boxing career and urged the former journeyman boxer to train him here. So Roach opened the club in this small Hollywood location.

Boxing gyms are by nature gritty, and Wild Card is no different with its worn carpet and small changing room that barely allows Pacquiao to stretch his legs while sitting. A few fights ago, Roach tried to train Pacquiao at a beachside facility in the Philippines, but the local fans created "a lot of invitations and distractions," Pacquiao said, and it was decided Wild Card was the best home base for his fighter.

In December, the 30-year-old Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 knockouts) clinched 2008 fighter and trainer of the year recognition for himself and Roach, respectively, when he destroyed boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya and made the now-retired "Golden Boy" quit before the ninth round of their bout.

Junior Pineda, of Filipino descent and a Pacquiao fan visiting Wild Card from Cerritos, said, "Manny had already achieved God-like status before that with us."

But during Pacquiao's eight-week-long return to the U.S., after beating De La Hoya and in preparation for his Saturday night junior-welterweight fight in Las Vegas against England's Ricky Hatton, swarms of visitors descended upon Wild Card -- celebrities, new gym members and fans.

Roach said that since January he has signed up more than 300 new customers who pay him $5 a day or $50 a month to train. He has also hired a new assistant trainer, former heavyweight world champion Michael Moorer. "It's crazy," Roach said. "Who'd ever thought they'd all be coming to this place? I'm thinking about knocking a wall out to expand, or I might even have to move to a new place."

Wild Card stands firmly as a Hollywood hangout.

After winning his Golden Globe for best actor and before the Oscars were handed out, nominee Rourke ("The Wrestler") returned to sign movie posters for Wild Card members and visit his longtime friend Roach.

Wild Card member and singer Aimee Mann and her husband, singer Michael Penn, once played an impromptu concert during an amateur fight night "smoker" at the gym, Roach said. And during a recent Pacquiao workout, longtime Roach friend and boxing student/actor Mark Wahlberg came by to watch with actor friend Christian Bale.

Roach is so close to Wahlberg that he casually notes that he "knows the real 'Johnny Drama,' " who inspired the character in the HBO series "Entourage" that counts Wahlberg as a co-executive producer.

During the Wahlberg-Bale visit in late March, Roach saw Pacquiao was losing his concentration. So the trainer decided to close gym access during the fighter's 1-4 p.m. workouts and stop Saturday afternoon autograph sessions to keep Pacquiao's distractions at a minimum. Asked whether he enjoyed showing off for the famous, Pacquiao grinned widely and said, "Sometimes."

Enforcing the autograph ban falls to Rob Peters, an imposing bald man who serves as Pacquiao's bodyguard and an informal property manager continually barking for loitering car owners to park elsewhere.

"There's families with babies waiting outside for Manny for hours and hours. I tell them to leave," Peters said.

"The other day, I caught a guy with a load of dirty towels in his car so he could hang out in the laundromat. Then, he signs his kid up for a membership at the gym so he can stay longer. Then he goes over to the [Thai] restaurant when Manny's there, and, sure enough, he's sticking two boxing gloves in Manny's face hoping to get 'em signed."

Although the strip mall's Thai restaurant has a "B" health department grade card in its window, Pacquiao made a post-training meal there with his entourage part of his daily Wild Card routine, along with his training runs up to the Hollywood sign and the battering of his sparring partners.

Tina Srdakun, owner of Nat's Thai Food, says Pacquiao's party spends a minimum $500 on each weekday meal and more on Saturday feasts, with Pacquiao occasionally strumming a guitar and singing inside. The support has allowed the seven-table restaurant to survive lean times, Srdakun said.

"He's made it very busy," Srdakun said. "He just likes my food, and he's become like family. I know he's a very popular guy, the best boxer there is. But he's the best person too."

Next door at Nirvana Massage, a pitch black-tinted glass door opens into a dark room divided into draped-off quarters, where jars of body oils are set next to burning candles. An attractive Asian woman waves her arm for the visitor to enter, and another woman offers a hospitable smile.

"You want?" the woman asks, pointing to one of the massage tables.

No, says the visitor, who asks how the activity at the boxing club is affecting their business.

"No comment," the woman says, closing the door.

Johnny Drama wouldn't let the scene end that way, of course, but maybe Roach can pass it along to his Hollywood friends for a rewrite.

[email protected]
Freddie Roach . . .

Occasionally, I'll stop by Wildcard to visit. I'm not close with Freddie Roach, but we will talk sometimes. His favorite fighter is Ruben Olivares, who I worked with for one fight 37-years-ago, so there is common interest. I think I worked a total of two dozen rounds with Olivares during that period, as he trained for Jesus Pimentel. Freddie wanted to know about Olivares, so I shared what memories I had, mainly what I saw him do with other sparring partners, his "habits" which were of concern to his promoter, George Parnassus. I was glad to have something of interest to provide.

Freddie's gym walls are loaded with memorabelia (as mentioned), and he wanted to show me a photo of his late father, in a fighting stance.You could see the family resemblence, the photo was B&W but you could tell the old man had the same red hair has the son. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. "My dad was a tough man, and he was hard on us. We got a lot beatings when he'd drink, my mom took the worst of it."

Roach told me what it was like in the South Boston area (Dedham, Mass.) where he was raised in the projects. "Some kids have swing sets in their yards, we had a boxing ring. Learning to box was not an option." Freddie's brother "Pepper" Roach was also a pro, and he works with boxers in his brother's gym, along with a crazy group of guys that seem to have followed Freddie west to make up quite an interesting group of gym rats. They have qualities that remind one of the old "Dead End Kids" movies.

Also working with boxers there is an old pal, Frankie Duarte. A couple years back, while visiting Duarte, we talked about the Teamster's Gym of the past and, of course, the name Frank Baltazar was mentioned. He told me stories about the 1973 National Golden Gloves team that Frank took to Boston. The stories were funny, and he wanted to talk with Frank, so I called Mr. Baltazar on my cell phone and handed it to Frankie. "Don't tell him who I am," Frankie insisted. I said, "OK, but don't piss him off being silly, or he'll stop taking my calls."

Anyway, this story brought back memories of that day. It's a great gym, Wildcard is that, however, it's too busy these days. Mel Epstein would really have a fit if he saw all the "broads" hanging out. He's say, "What are the whores doing here? Get 'em out or I'm leaving." And he'd leave. Things have changed, Mel.


-Rick Farris
Rick
Great story on Roach and the Wildcard. Rick,how long do you think Freddie has left in him? Each time HBO does one of these 24/7 Specials with a Roach fighter,he looks more and more drained.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:39
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Manny Pacquiao puts Wild Card Boxing Club on the map

Image
Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times
Pacquiao transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world’s top fighter at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood.

By Lance Pugmire
April 29, 2009

Driving north on Vine Street in Hollywood, just above Santa Monica Boulevard, it'd be easy to miss the home gym of the world's best boxer, Manny Pacquiao, and his equally respected trainer, Freddie Roach.

It's across from a Taco Bell and just south of a Vagabond Inn and an Armenian Church, tucked in a nondescript strip mall with Nat's Thai Food, Nirvana Massage, Susie's Designs, a laundromat, a beer/wine market and an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room.

The gym, Wild Card Boxing Club, is in the rear of the second floor, upstairs from the laundromat.

Go up the concrete stairs and through a metal screen door and it leads into a room with two boxing rings, the distinct odors of sweat and freshly rolled hand tape, with walls decorated by two decades of fight posters. Dozens of fighters, pros and amateurs, are at various workout stations where heavy bags are swaying and speed bags are thumped.

It's here where workout fiend Pacquiao was transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world's top pound-for-pound fighter under the direction of Roach, who has owned and operated Wild Card since 1994.

Back then, Roach was working in Las Vegas, but actor Mickey Rourke was exploring a boxing career and urged the former journeyman boxer to train him here. So Roach opened the club in this small Hollywood location.

Boxing gyms are by nature gritty, and Wild Card is no different with its worn carpet and small changing room that barely allows Pacquiao to stretch his legs while sitting. A few fights ago, Roach tried to train Pacquiao at a beachside facility in the Philippines, but the local fans created "a lot of invitations and distractions," Pacquiao said, and it was decided Wild Card was the best home base for his fighter.

In December, the 30-year-old Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 knockouts) clinched 2008 fighter and trainer of the year recognition for himself and Roach, respectively, when he destroyed boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya and made the now-retired "Golden Boy" quit before the ninth round of their bout.

Junior Pineda, of Filipino descent and a Pacquiao fan visiting Wild Card from Cerritos, said, "Manny had already achieved God-like status before that with us."

But during Pacquiao's eight-week-long return to the U.S., after beating De La Hoya and in preparation for his Saturday night junior-welterweight fight in Las Vegas against England's Ricky Hatton, swarms of visitors descended upon Wild Card -- celebrities, new gym members and fans.

Roach said that since January he has signed up more than 300 new customers who pay him $5 a day or $50 a month to train. He has also hired a new assistant trainer, former heavyweight world champion Michael Moorer. "It's crazy," Roach said. "Who'd ever thought they'd all be coming to this place? I'm thinking about knocking a wall out to expand, or I might even have to move to a new place."

Wild Card stands firmly as a Hollywood hangout.

After winning his Golden Globe for best actor and before the Oscars were handed out, nominee Rourke ("The Wrestler") returned to sign movie posters for Wild Card members and visit his longtime friend Roach.

Wild Card member and singer Aimee Mann and her husband, singer Michael Penn, once played an impromptu concert during an amateur fight night "smoker" at the gym, Roach said. And during a recent Pacquiao workout, longtime Roach friend and boxing student/actor Mark Wahlberg came by to watch with actor friend Christian Bale.

Roach is so close to Wahlberg that he casually notes that he "knows the real 'Johnny Drama,' " who inspired the character in the HBO series "Entourage" that counts Wahlberg as a co-executive producer.

During the Wahlberg-Bale visit in late March, Roach saw Pacquiao was losing his concentration. So the trainer decided to close gym access during the fighter's 1-4 p.m. workouts and stop Saturday afternoon autograph sessions to keep Pacquiao's distractions at a minimum. Asked whether he enjoyed showing off for the famous, Pacquiao grinned widely and said, "Sometimes."

Enforcing the autograph ban falls to Rob Peters, an imposing bald man who serves as Pacquiao's bodyguard and an informal property manager continually barking for loitering car owners to park elsewhere.

"There's families with babies waiting outside for Manny for hours and hours. I tell them to leave," Peters said.

"The other day, I caught a guy with a load of dirty towels in his car so he could hang out in the laundromat. Then, he signs his kid up for a membership at the gym so he can stay longer. Then he goes over to the [Thai] restaurant when Manny's there, and, sure enough, he's sticking two boxing gloves in Manny's face hoping to get 'em signed."

Although the strip mall's Thai restaurant has a "B" health department grade card in its window, Pacquiao made a post-training meal there with his entourage part of his daily Wild Card routine, along with his training runs up to the Hollywood sign and the battering of his sparring partners.

Tina Srdakun, owner of Nat's Thai Food, says Pacquiao's party spends a minimum $500 on each weekday meal and more on Saturday feasts, with Pacquiao occasionally strumming a guitar and singing inside. The support has allowed the seven-table restaurant to survive lean times, Srdakun said.

"He's made it very busy," Srdakun said. "He just likes my food, and he's become like family. I know he's a very popular guy, the best boxer there is. But he's the best person too."

Next door at Nirvana Massage, a pitch black-tinted glass door opens into a dark room divided into draped-off quarters, where jars of body oils are set next to burning candles. An attractive Asian woman waves her arm for the visitor to enter, and another woman offers a hospitable smile.

"You want?" the woman asks, pointing to one of the massage tables.

No, says the visitor, who asks how the activity at the boxing club is affecting their business.

"No comment," the woman says, closing the door.

Johnny Drama wouldn't let the scene end that way, of course, but maybe Roach can pass it along to his Hollywood friends for a rewrite.

[email protected]
Freddie Roach . . .

Occasionally, I'll stop by Wildcard to visit. I'm not close with Freddie Roach, but we will talk sometimes. His favorite fighter is Ruben Olivares, who I worked with for one fight 37-years-ago, so there is common interest. I think I worked a total of two dozen rounds with Olivares during that period, as he trained for Jesus Pimentel. Freddie wanted to know about Olivares, so I shared what memories I had, mainly what I saw him do with other sparring partners, his "habits" which were of concern to his promoter, George Parnassus. I was glad to have something of interest to provide.

Freddie's gym walls are loaded with memorabelia (as mentioned), and he wanted to show me a photo of his late father, in a fighting stance.You could see the family resemblence, the photo was B&W but you could tell the old man had the same red hair has the son. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. "My dad was a tough man, and he was hard on us. We got a lot beatings when he'd drink, my mom took the worst of it."

Roach told me what it was like in the South Boston area (Dedham, Mass.) where he was raised in the projects. "Some kids have swing sets in their yards, we had a boxing ring. Learning to box was not an option." Freddie's brother "Pepper" Roach was also a pro, and he works with boxers in his brother's gym, along with a crazy group of guys that seem to have followed Freddie west to make up quite an interesting group of gym rats. They have qualities that remind one of the old "Dead End Kids" movies.

Also working with boxers there is an old pal, Frankie Duarte. A couple years back, while visiting Duarte, we talked about the Teamster's Gym of the past and, of course, the name Frank Baltazar was mentioned. He told me stories about the 1973 National Golden Gloves team that Frank took to Boston. The stories were funny, and he wanted to talk with Frank, so I called Mr. Baltazar on my cell phone and handed it to Frankie. "Don't tell him who I am," Frankie insisted. I said, "OK, but don't piss him off being silly, or he'll stop taking my calls."

Anyway, this story brought back memories of that day. It's a great gym, Wildcard is that, however, it's too busy these days. Mel Epstein would really have a fit if he saw all the "broads" hanging out. He's say, "What are the whores doing here? Get 'em out or I'm leaving." And he'd leave. Things have changed, Mel.


-Rick Farris
I, too, would like to hear someday about your experiences with Ruben.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:00
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:President Obama is putting Tom Ray's town (Arnold, Mo.) on the map.... :lol:
Yeah, its a magical day here in Arnold . . . :roll: :roll: He's magically transformed our traffic patterns this morning . . . a five-minute drive now takes 45 minutes. :oo :oo
Yeah! but at least you're on the map, no longer a hick town.... :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:09
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:President Obama is putting Tom Ray's town (Arnold, Mo.) on the map.... :lol:
Yeah, its a magical day here in Arnold . . . :roll: :roll: He's magically transformed our traffic patterns this morning . . . a five-minute drive now takes 45 minutes. :oo :oo
Yeah! but at least you're on the map, no longer a hick town.... :bow:
Nah . . . we haven't been a hick town since 1993, when Bill Clinton came to visit and put us on the map.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:10
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote: Freddie Roach . . .

Occasionally, I'll stop by Wildcard to visit. I'm not close with Freddie Roach, but we will talk sometimes. His favorite fighter is Ruben Olivares, who I worked with for one fight 37-years-ago, so there is common interest. I think I worked a total of two dozen rounds with Olivares during that period, as he trained for Jesus Pimentel. Freddie wanted to know about Olivares, so I shared what memories I had, mainly what I saw him do with other sparring partners, his "habits" which were of concern to his promoter, George Parnassus. I was glad to have something of interest to provide.

Freddie's gym walls are loaded with memorabelia (as mentioned), and he wanted to show me a photo of his late father, in a fighting stance.You could see the family resemblence, the photo was B&W but you could tell the old man had the same red hair has the son. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. "My dad was a tough man, and he was hard on us. We got a lot beatings when he'd drink, my mom took the worst of it."

Roach told me what it was like in the South Boston area (Dedham, Mass.) where he was raised in the projects. "Some kids have swing sets in their yards, we had a boxing ring. Learning to box was not an option." Freddie's brother "Pepper" Roach was also a pro, and he works with boxers in his brother's gym, along with a crazy group of guys that seem to have followed Freddie west to make up quite an interesting group of gym rats. They have qualities that remind one of the old "Dead End Kids" movies.

Also working with boxers there is an old pal, Frankie Duarte. A couple years back, while visiting Duarte, we talked about the Teamster's Gym of the past and, of course, the name Frank Baltazar was mentioned. He told me stories about the 1973 National Golden Gloves team that Frank took to Boston. The stories were funny, and he wanted to talk with Frank, so I called Mr. Baltazar on my cell phone and handed it to Frankie. "Don't tell him who I am," Frankie insisted. I said, "OK, but don't piss him off being silly, or he'll stop taking my calls."

Anyway, this story brought back memories of that day. It's a great gym, Wildcard is that, however, it's too busy these days. Mel Epstein would really have a fit if he saw all the "broads" hanging out. He's say, "What are the whores doing here? Get 'em out or I'm leaving." And he'd leave. Things have changed, Mel.


-Rick Farris
Image
Freddie Roach

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 14:34
by dagosd2000
PANDEMIC

I can see the Mexican border from my class room window. Maybe 5 minutes away by automobile. The school is 90% Mexican. Kids that live across the border and come to school in our district?Wouldn't hazard to guess.The district is 80% Mexican. 12 schools. People from TJ who come to work on this side. There's probably stats on that. San Ysidro border crossing is the busiest in the world.

My grand daughter and her husband live in TJ and drop off their kids at our place before they go to work. Later they pick them up and take them to school.

There are two bus terminals in Mexico City as large as our airport. Hundreds of Mexicans leave from there and arrive in TJ on a daily basis. The same with Mexico City's airport. Destination TJ. Most arrivals are from the capitol.

If there's an epidemic how come it's not here? Or in Tijuana? They say this thing started with pigs. Probably true.Maybe the two legged kind. I also smell a rat.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 14:41
by kikibalt

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 15:49
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Manny Pacquiao puts Wild Card Boxing Club on the map

Image
Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times
Pacquiao transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world’s top fighter at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood.

By Lance Pugmire
April 29, 2009

Driving north on Vine Street in Hollywood, just above Santa Monica Boulevard, it'd be easy to miss the home gym of the world's best boxer, Manny Pacquiao, and his equally respected trainer, Freddie Roach.

It's across from a Taco Bell and just south of a Vagabond Inn and an Armenian Church, tucked in a nondescript strip mall with Nat's Thai Food, Nirvana Massage, Susie's Designs, a laundromat, a beer/wine market and an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room.

The gym, Wild Card Boxing Club, is in the rear of the second floor, upstairs from the laundromat.

Go up the concrete stairs and through a metal screen door and it leads into a room with two boxing rings, the distinct odors of sweat and freshly rolled hand tape, with walls decorated by two decades of fight posters. Dozens of fighters, pros and amateurs, are at various workout stations where heavy bags are swaying and speed bags are thumped.

It's here where workout fiend Pacquiao was transformed from a Filipino boxing sensation into the world's top pound-for-pound fighter under the direction of Roach, who has owned and operated Wild Card since 1994.

Back then, Roach was working in Las Vegas, but actor Mickey Rourke was exploring a boxing career and urged the former journeyman boxer to train him here. So Roach opened the club in this small Hollywood location.

Boxing gyms are by nature gritty, and Wild Card is no different with its worn carpet and small changing room that barely allows Pacquiao to stretch his legs while sitting. A few fights ago, Roach tried to train Pacquiao at a beachside facility in the Philippines, but the local fans created "a lot of invitations and distractions," Pacquiao said, and it was decided Wild Card was the best home base for his fighter.

In December, the 30-year-old Pacquiao (48-3-2, 36 knockouts) clinched 2008 fighter and trainer of the year recognition for himself and Roach, respectively, when he destroyed boxing legend Oscar De La Hoya and made the now-retired "Golden Boy" quit before the ninth round of their bout.

Junior Pineda, of Filipino descent and a Pacquiao fan visiting Wild Card from Cerritos, said, "Manny had already achieved God-like status before that with us."

But during Pacquiao's eight-week-long return to the U.S., after beating De La Hoya and in preparation for his Saturday night junior-welterweight fight in Las Vegas against England's Ricky Hatton, swarms of visitors descended upon Wild Card -- celebrities, new gym members and fans.

Roach said that since January he has signed up more than 300 new customers who pay him $5 a day or $50 a month to train. He has also hired a new assistant trainer, former heavyweight world champion Michael Moorer. "It's crazy," Roach said. "Who'd ever thought they'd all be coming to this place? I'm thinking about knocking a wall out to expand, or I might even have to move to a new place."

Wild Card stands firmly as a Hollywood hangout.

After winning his Golden Globe for best actor and before the Oscars were handed out, nominee Rourke ("The Wrestler") returned to sign movie posters for Wild Card members and visit his longtime friend Roach.

Wild Card member and singer Aimee Mann and her husband, singer Michael Penn, once played an impromptu concert during an amateur fight night "smoker" at the gym, Roach said. And during a recent Pacquiao workout, longtime Roach friend and boxing student/actor Mark Wahlberg came by to watch with actor friend Christian Bale.

Roach is so close to Wahlberg that he casually notes that he "knows the real 'Johnny Drama,' " who inspired the character in the HBO series "Entourage" that counts Wahlberg as a co-executive producer.

During the Wahlberg-Bale visit in late March, Roach saw Pacquiao was losing his concentration. So the trainer decided to close gym access during the fighter's 1-4 p.m. workouts and stop Saturday afternoon autograph sessions to keep Pacquiao's distractions at a minimum. Asked whether he enjoyed showing off for the famous, Pacquiao grinned widely and said, "Sometimes."

Enforcing the autograph ban falls to Rob Peters, an imposing bald man who serves as Pacquiao's bodyguard and an informal property manager continually barking for loitering car owners to park elsewhere.

"There's families with babies waiting outside for Manny for hours and hours. I tell them to leave," Peters said.

"The other day, I caught a guy with a load of dirty towels in his car so he could hang out in the laundromat. Then, he signs his kid up for a membership at the gym so he can stay longer. Then he goes over to the [Thai] restaurant when Manny's there, and, sure enough, he's sticking two boxing gloves in Manny's face hoping to get 'em signed."

Although the strip mall's Thai restaurant has a "B" health department grade card in its window, Pacquiao made a post-training meal there with his entourage part of his daily Wild Card routine, along with his training runs up to the Hollywood sign and the battering of his sparring partners.

Tina Srdakun, owner of Nat's Thai Food, says Pacquiao's party spends a minimum $500 on each weekday meal and more on Saturday feasts, with Pacquiao occasionally strumming a guitar and singing inside. The support has allowed the seven-table restaurant to survive lean times, Srdakun said.

"He's made it very busy," Srdakun said. "He just likes my food, and he's become like family. I know he's a very popular guy, the best boxer there is. But he's the best person too."

Next door at Nirvana Massage, a pitch black-tinted glass door opens into a dark room divided into draped-off quarters, where jars of body oils are set next to burning candles. An attractive Asian woman waves her arm for the visitor to enter, and another woman offers a hospitable smile.

"You want?" the woman asks, pointing to one of the massage tables.

No, says the visitor, who asks how the activity at the boxing club is affecting their business.

"No comment," the woman says, closing the door.

Johnny Drama wouldn't let the scene end that way, of course, but maybe Roach can pass it along to his Hollywood friends for a rewrite.

[email protected]
Freddie Roach . . .

Occasionally, I'll stop by Wildcard to visit. I'm not close with Freddie Roach, but we will talk sometimes. His favorite fighter is Ruben Olivares, who I worked with for one fight 37-years-ago, so there is common interest. I think I worked a total of two dozen rounds with Olivares during that period, as he trained for Jesus Pimentel. Freddie wanted to know about Olivares, so I shared what memories I had, mainly what I saw him do with other sparring partners, his "habits" which were of concern to his promoter, George Parnassus. I was glad to have something of interest to provide.

Freddie's gym walls are loaded with memorabelia (as mentioned), and he wanted to show me a photo of his late father, in a fighting stance.You could see the family resemblence, the photo was B&W but you could tell the old man had the same red hair has the son. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. "My dad was a tough man, and he was hard on us. We got a lot beatings when he'd drink, my mom took the worst of it."

Roach told me what it was like in the South Boston area (Dedham, Mass.) where he was raised in the projects. "Some kids have swing sets in their yards, we had a boxing ring. Learning to box was not an option." Freddie's brother "Pepper" Roach was also a pro, and he works with boxers in his brother's gym, along with a crazy group of guys that seem to have followed Freddie west to make up quite an interesting group of gym rats. They have qualities that remind one of the old "Dead End Kids" movies.

Also working with boxers there is an old pal, Frankie Duarte. A couple years back, while visiting Duarte, we talked about the Teamster's Gym of the past and, of course, the name Frank Baltazar was mentioned. He told me stories about the 1973 National Golden Gloves team that Frank took to Boston. The stories were funny, and he wanted to talk with Frank, so I called Mr. Baltazar on my cell phone and handed it to Frankie. "Don't tell him who I am," Frankie insisted. I said, "OK, but don't piss him off being silly, or he'll stop taking my calls."

Anyway, this story brought back memories of that day. It's a great gym, Wildcard is that, however, it's too busy these days. Mel Epstein would really have a fit if he saw all the "broads" hanging out. He's say, "What are the whores doing here? Get 'em out or I'm leaving." And he'd leave. Things have changed, Mel.


-Rick Farris
Rick
Great story on Roach and the Wildcard. Rick,how long do you think Freddie has left in him? Each time HBO does one of these 24/7 Specials with a Roach fighter,he looks more and more drained.
Roger . . . I have no idea about Freddie's health, only what everybody else learns from the media. I haven't seen him for awhile, and when I do just say hello, and if the gym is slow we'll talk a bit. We talk boxing, stuff from back in the 70's, or when we were young. I don't ask him about Pac or Toney, or anybody else he works with today. I figure he gets enough of that from the media and those who "hang out" trying to be a part of what they consider "cool" at the moment.

Last time I saw him, we discussed how good the omlettes were at a local coffee shop. His brother Pep and I will talk a bit. He used to have this ex-heavyweight that worked as a conditioning coach, he fought Lennox Lewis early in his career, his name is Justin Fortune. Justin and Freddie split awhile back, something over money.

He had another ex-heavyweight club fighter, Macka Foley, who used to help around the gym, however, Macka left with Justin. They work with fighters at another gym on La Brea now. As you can imagine, there is a lot of jealousy in the air. I avoid the gossip. I'm glad Freddie is doing well because he is basicaly a simple guy, not an egomaniac, kind of a Jackie McCoy type personality which is good for boxing.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 16:05
by Rick Farris
Carlos looks great today, still in shape. Last saw him at an amateur show in El Monte. I was sitting with the Baltazars. The fights were kind of boring, but it was great seeing a lot of old friends.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 16:20
by Rick Farris
I, too, would like to hear someday about your experiences with Ruben.
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Tom . . . Here is the link to a story I wrote about my Ruben Olivares experience. I wrote it nearly ten years ago, one of my first stories for the Cyber Boxing Zone.

Click on: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box1-00.htm#ruben


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 16:21
by scartissue
I scored this fight 5-4-1 for Lewis, so I can definitely see the draw. Was amazed at how strong this unknown kid Palomino was. Thought Lewis just pulled it out.

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 16:28
by kikibalt
scartissue wrote:
I scored this fight 5-4-1 for Lewis, so I can definitely see the draw. Was amazed at how strong this unknown kid Palomino was. Thought Lewis just pulled it out.

Scartissue
I didn't scored the on paper, but I did think that Lewis had done enough to win.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 16:32
by kikibalt
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(l. to r. Unidentified, Jack Roper (mistakenly marked as "Bob", Dick Donald, fight promoter, Bobby Yannes, boxer), Circa 1939

Jack Roper doing roadwork in preparation for this 17 April 1939 heavyweight championship bout with Joe Louis. Roper was to be knocked out in the first round.

Bobby Yannes lost to Buddy Holzhauer on the undercard.

Dick Donald was a long-time boxing promoter who arranged many events at Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, California, the site of the Louis v. Roper bout.