MMA

[p4p1]

the HW contender mess(Werdum refusing to fight JDS, Cain injured, Miocic destroying Wedrum so no need for a quick rematch JDS losing not so long ago to Overeem)

Has to read this twice but why is Werdum refusing to fight Dos Santos?

He's a horrible style match up for one. Last time they fought JDS took him out in about a minute. He refused the short notice fight then(IIRC) refused a later fight. It's hard to figure out what exactly is going on at HW right now.

[Crease]

It's hard to figure out what exactly is going on at HW right now.

And who would you rank as - let's say - the top 5 Heavyweights at the minute?

[p4p1]

It's hard to figure out what exactly is going on at HW right now.

And who would you rank as - let's say - the top 5 Heavyweights at the minute?

Miocic, Cain, Werdum, Reem & JDS. Clear top 5. They've all fought each other already as well. Cain is injured so he is out for the time being. Reem has signed to fight Hunt which is exciting as fornicate.

[Crease]

Miocic, Cain, Werdum, Reem & JDS. Clear top 5. They've all fought each other already as well. Cain is injured so he is out for the time being. Reem has signed to fight Hunt which is exciting as eff.

And where would you put Brock Lesnar in there?
(Heard he got in to a spot of bother with PEDs last year)

[mickey1975]

What do any of you know of this Melvin guy who's fighting bare knuckle soon. Apparently had a decent ufc career.

[Impractical Poster]

Miocic, Cain, Werdum, Reem & JDS. Clear top 5. They've all fought each other already as well. Cain is injured so he is out for the time being. Reem has signed to fight Hunt which is exciting as eff.

And where would you put Brock Lesnar in there?
(Heard he got in to a spot of bother with PEDs last year)

Reem and Cain already stopped Brock rather quickly. I have little doubt the other 3 would have much of a hassle with him either. Lesnar's striking is horrid. And against well rounded fighters like the one's above, he is at a serious disadvantage.

[Crease]

Reem and Cain already stopped Brock rather quickly. I have little doubt the other 3 would have much of a hassle with him either. Lesnar's striking is horrid. And against well rounded fighters like the one's above, he is at a serious disadvantage.

So Brock isn't in the elite then? Thanks for the info.

Whatabout old Arlovski? Is he still knocking about? I remember he was the Heavyweight Champ a load of years ago...

[Impractical Poster]

Reem and Cain already stopped Brock rather quickly. I have little doubt the other 3 would have much of a hassle with him either. Lesnar's striking is horrid. And against well rounded fighters like the one's above, he is at a serious disadvantage.

So Brock isn't in the elite then? Thanks for the info.

Whatabout old Arlovski? Is he still knocking about? I remember he was the Heavyweight Champ a load of years ago...

He is still hanging around. He had a nice KO win over Travis Brown not too long ago. But, his chin is pretty much non-existent at this point. I really like Andre, and root for him whenever he fights. He's a skilled striker, offensively, but when that chin gets touched, he goes down.

[punchoutsb]

The idea that the talent in the division has dramatically increased in Rousey's absence, and as such has now passed her by, has gained traction. It's not though borne out by facts. For the most part the top 10 at 135 lbs is filled with people who were either beaten by Rousey or beaten by people who Rousey beat.

I agree, she beat a load of good fighters, we can't take that away from from her - Tate, Zingano, McMann.

I just think that she is not the fast-thinking competitor that she used to be. She has lost the mental edge.

"Good" and "fighters" are terms used a little lightly there. McMann is an average fighter at best, she's a good wrestler who has no idea how to turn it into MMA success. Zingano is a good fighter, and quite simply she made a horrid decision in her fight against Rousey...she's shown poor fight IQ in several fights. Miesha is one of my favorites but again, she has terrible fight IQ, doesn't make adjustments during fights, has little power; she makes up for all that with her grit and determination. But all of these descriptions are based around the current state of WMMA. In ten years none of these fighters will be in the discussion as great WMMA.

[jujigatame]

Actually I think McMann has managed to improve a lot as a fighter and it's impressive that she's still in the top 10 of the division at 36 years old. If you rewatch her fight with Rousey, she actually landed a few flush shots to Ronda's face before Ronda bullrushed her way into the clinch and won a minute later. Maybe we should have taken that as a sign that someone with more power and movement on the feet would beat Ronda.

[punchoutsb]

Actually I think McMann has managed to improve a lot as a fighter and it's impressive that she's still in the top 10 of the division at 36 years old. If you rewatch her fight with Rousey, she actually landed a few flush shots to Ronda's face before Ronda bullrushed her way into the clinch and won a minute later. Maybe we should have taken that as a sign that someone with more power and movement on the feet would beat Ronda.

She has improved, but she's still average at best. I'm not making fun, Sara seems hard working and her out of MMA wrestling ability is extraordinary.

Ronda got hit flush by Tate in each encounter, she took a few from Bethe, Sara landed a few; there are some of us who have been talking about Ronda's poor striking for years. Ronda is not a true mixed martial artist; her Judo is great, that's undeniable. But as the women continue to learn not to freeze like a deer in the head lights in a clinch its going to be harder and harder for WMMA with one skill set to use it over and over again.

[Crease]

But all of these descriptions are based around the current state of WMMA. In ten years none of these fighters will be in the discussion as great WMMA.

So you think that the female MMA scene will evolve & develop as the men have?
That the future gals will make the current stars look bad?

[punchoutsb]

But all of these descriptions are based around the current state of WMMA. In ten years none of these fighters will be in the discussion as great WMMA.

So you think that the female MMA scene will evolve & develop as the men have?
That the future gals will make the current stars look bad?

Absolutely. And to be honest Ronda Rousey has played a HUGE role in that. I see more young girls getting into MMA now than I ever had before. Her popularity opened it up. The women getting into the UFC in the future will be true mixed martial artists with extensive backgrounds in MMA training and competition. Not over weight secretaries who want to lose a few pounds or single discipline athletes without proper mechanics in other aspects of the game.

[Crease]

Absolutely. And to be honest Ronda Rousey has played a HUGE role in that. I see more young girls getting into MMA now than I ever had before. Her popularity opened it up. The women getting into the UFC in the future will be true mixed martial artists with extensive backgrounds in MMA training and competition. Not over weight secretaries who want to lose a few pounds or single discipline athletes without proper mechanics in other aspects of the game.

You sound confident & you've convinced me.

[jujigatame]

By the way, the fact that they're introducing a women's 145 pound division is an absolute joke. The only decent 145er (Cyborg) just pissed hot for the second time and will probably be suspended, and it appears that the entire remainder of the division will be made up of also-rans from 135. Nobody would care about Holly Holm vs. Germaine de Randamie if it were at 135, but suddenly it's at 145 for a vacant title and we're supposed to give a shit? Horrible. Literally any other division would have made more sense. Women's 125, women's 105, men's 115. All of those have more good fighters than women's 145.

[Impractical Poster]

Actually I think McMann has managed to improve a lot as a fighter and it's impressive that she's still in the top 10 of the division at 36 years old. If you rewatch her fight with Rousey, she actually landed a few flush shots to Ronda's face before Ronda bullrushed her way into the clinch and won a minute later. Maybe we should have taken that as a sign that someone with more power and movement on the feet would beat Ronda.

This is a great point. If that would have been Tate landing those shots on her, she would have walked right through them. But, after Nunes landed the first flush shot, she was like, Holy Shit!

[punchoutsb]

By the way, the fact that they're introducing a women's 145 pound division is an absolute joke. The only decent 145er (Cyborg) just pissed hot for the second time and will probably be suspended, and it appears that the entire remainder of the division will be made up of also-rans from 135. Nobody would care about Holly Holm vs. Germaine de Randamie if it were at 135, but suddenly it's at 145 for a vacant title and we're supposed to give a poo? Horrible. Literally any other division would have made more sense. Women's 125, women's 105, men's 115. All of those have more good fighters than women's 145.

They REALLY missed the boat by not doing a 125 instead in my opinion. You're spot on.

[p4p1]

Actually I think McMann has managed to improve a lot as a fighter and it's impressive that she's still in the top 10 of the division at 36 years old. If you rewatch her fight with Rousey, she actually landed a few flush shots to Ronda's face before Ronda bullrushed her way into the clinch and won a minute later. Maybe we should have taken that as a sign that someone with more power and movement on the feet would beat Ronda.

This is a great point. If that would have been Tate landing those shots on her, she would have walked right through them. But, after Nunes landed the first flush shot, she was like, Holy poo!

Funny you say that, I saw an old interview with Zingano(before Nunes was champ) where she was talking about her fight with Nunes. It was crazy because she obviously bought up the power than Nunes hits with and she said the first thing that started going through her mind after she got hit other than WTF was that was about finishing the fight with serious brain damage and not being able to be there for her kid, and the fact her kid has got no one else. Pretty crazy TBH and that's before she moved to ATT.

[p4p1]

By the way, the fact that they're introducing a women's 145 pound division is an absolute joke. The only decent 145er (Cyborg) just pissed hot for the second time and will probably be suspended, and it appears that the entire remainder of the division will be made up of also-rans from 135. Nobody would care about Holly Holm vs. Germaine de Randamie if it were at 135, but suddenly it's at 145 for a vacant title and we're supposed to give a poo? Horrible. Literally any other division would have made more sense. Women's 125, women's 105, men's 115. All of those have more good fighters than women's 145.

They REALLY missed the boat by not doing a 125 instead in my opinion. You're spot on.

They did women's 145 sucks after cyborg and women's 125 would be a strong division with lots of women at 135 now likely being able to drop down quite easily.

[Tomasino]

What do any of you know of this Melvin guy who's fighting bare knuckle soon. Apparently had a decent ufc career.

Melvin Manhoef?

[Crease]

Hatton is vaguely comparable: the Pacquiao loss was a huge humiliation for him, one he has never seemed to get over. He's a millionaire, but so what? He's terribly unhappy. It's a shame.

I'm not sure about that mate. As far as I know Ricky has always said that the Mayweather defeat was the one that bothered him the most.

He lost his undefeated record that night, it was seen as his "big chance" in Vegas and it was a fight that Ricky was convinced that he could win.

Still does as a matter of fact, had they been assigned a different referee - he said as much in those touring interviews that he does.

[Crease]

we've seen that she doesn't respond well to negativety. I'm not saying it didn't backfire but she clearly needs positive reinforcement,
I think it's very possible(and remember she went through a few gyms before she decided to stay at Edmonds) that she can't handle being told something she does sucks.

Amen. I have zero doubt and read numerous reports that Ronda does not accept being told that she's not the best in anything

Wow. If you are correct gents, then it undoubtedly shows a lack of maturity on her part. And it's just pettiness isn't it? You train in a gym to improve, yet you don't want to be told where the improvements could be made.

[Tomasino]

I remember they were touting Rousey as a beastly striker and had a cringeworthy, almost CGI video of her hitting the pads repetitively and in a stationary position. People had it on Facebook creaming their pants going on about her beating mayweather. I'm so glad that farce is finally done. Onwards and upwards for Nunes.

[crusader]

She was supposed to waltz into boxing and win a world title

[Tomasino]

She was supposed to waltz into boxing and win a world title

Utterly ludicrous! Honestly you should check out that video it's fake as fornicate