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AJ called the first bluff.

Things start getting serious.. then Fury starts all his usual nonsense.

I'll be seeing you Tyson Fury haters December 3rd hopefully at the Chisora fight


Must admit Spurs stadium does look good.


Will it be Wallin or Arreola for Joshua? will find out very soon

6 people on this poll voted Joshua points win over Fury

who and why?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 12:22 AJ called the first bluff.

Things start getting serious.. then Fury starts all his usual nonsense.

True - its frustrating enough for the fans but imagine being the promoters and legal / contractual team having to deal with John and Tyson

maverick23 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 11:47 I actually think if Tyson had kept his mouth shut then the fight would be happening as Matchroom/258 would have no excuse but to get the deal done.

Like they didn't find an excuse for the Wilder fight or Buatsi-Pascal?

Simon Jordon is excellent at crystallising the issues:

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 14:08

maverick23 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 11:47 I actually think if Tyson had kept his mouth shut then the fight would be happening as Matchroom/258 would have no excuse but to get the deal done.

Like they didn't find an excuse for the Wilder fight or Buatsi-Pascal?

They made Wilder several offers which were rejected. From memory Wilder made an offer on Twitter which AJ had to agree to before anything would be taken further. In reality he needed to make sure he didn’t break his contractual commitments and see a proper deal before doing anything so I’m not surprised he didn’t simply agree to a social media post.

Re: Buatsi/Pascal, I think Eddie simply didn’t want him to fight on BT. The Pascal drugs stuff and not having VADA included in the contract is a justified excuse though. It shouldn’t have got that far. Buatsi was interviewed at the weekend and seemed to firmly think it didn’t happen due to the lack of VADA.

golden_balls wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 13:30 6 people on this poll voted Joshua points win over Fury

who and why?

Joshua himself, Robert Garcia, Eddeh Hearn, Tony Bellend, Adam Smith and David Haye.

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 16:08

golden_balls wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 13:30 6 people on this poll voted Joshua points win over Fury

who and why?

Joshua himself, Robert Garcia, Eddeh Hearn, Tony Bellend, Adam Smith and David Haye.

Haye will predict a Fury defeat to his grave

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 12:22 AJ called the first bluff.

Great bluff. So who are Lucozade and Under Armour allowing him to fight in December?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 03:18

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 12:22 AJ called the first bluff.

Great bluff. So who are Lucozade and Under Armour allowing him to fight in December?

Negotiating a fight through social media is the biggest indicator that Fury didn't want it. It's a great pity that one of the Heavyweight Champions is a bottle job. It harms the sport. Thankfully, there is a real Heavyweight Champion ( Uysk) that Boxing fans and the wider public can respect

Yeh, you don’t see the Chisora fight being mentioned at all on socials. Why so different when it’s AJ?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:29 Yeh, you don’t see the Chisora fight being mentioned at all on socials. Why so different when it’s AJ?

I'd imagine AJ would involve a far more thorough camp. He can half arse a camp for Del. The media are reporting AJ refusing the fight as fact now.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:51

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:29 Yeh, you don’t see the Chisora fight being mentioned at all on socials. Why so different when it’s AJ?

I'd imagine AJ would involve a far more thorough camp. He can half arse a camp for Del. The media are reporting AJ refusing the fight as fact now.

Having seen Fury vs Chisora I and II, are you excited about seeing it again? Do you think it will be a different outcome?

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 05:48

mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:51

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:29 Yeh, you don’t see the Chisora fight being mentioned at all on socials. Why so different when it’s AJ?

I'd imagine AJ would involve a far more thorough camp. He can half arse a camp for Del. The media are reporting AJ refusing the fight as fact now.

Having seen Fury vs Chisora I and II, are you excited about seeing it again? Do you think it will be a different outcome?

No to both. The first one was a good fight! Live on C5 yet we got AJ v Whyte on ppv for the same belt just a few years later....

I suspect AJ didn't want to waste any more time on it as he knew that Chisora already had a contract.

I think Fury has seen what Jake Paul is doing etc and has now moved to that model: use his personality/fan base to promote a fight and take on guaranteed victories.

I think also he is filming a documentary so definitely doesn't want to lose whilst filming that.

I anticipate it being Charr or someone similar next March. Definitely won't be Uysk/Joshua/Ruiz or Joyce.

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:05 I anticipate it being Charr or someone similar next March. Definitely won't be Uysk/Joshua/Ruiz or Joyce.

Strange.. Charr did say he signed a contract with Frank..

Was either Dubois or Fury..

He probably be on the card too..

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:24

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 03:18

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 12:22 AJ called the first bluff.

Great bluff. So who are Lucozade and Under Armour allowing him to fight in December?

Negotiating a fight through social media is the biggest indicator that Fury didn't want it. It's a great pity that one of the Heavyweight Champions is a bottle job. It harms the sport. Thankfully, there is a real Heavyweight Champion ( Uysk) that Boxing fans and the wider public can respect

Usyk turned down the Fury fight in December.
Was Joshua doing the catwalk at Milan Fashion show an indicator that he was preparing to fight Fury?
Who is Joshua fighting in December?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:26

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:24

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 03:18

Great bluff. So who are Lucozade and Under Armour allowing him to fight in December?

Negotiating a fight through social media is the biggest indicator that Fury didn't want it. It's a great pity that one of the Heavyweight Champions is a bottle job. It harms the sport. Thankfully, there is a real Heavyweight Champion ( Uysk) that Boxing fans and the wider public can respect

Usyk turned down the Fury fight in December.
Was Joshua doing the catwalk at Milan Fashion show an indicator that he was preparing to fight Fury?
Who is Joshua fighting in December?

He's gonna fight in the new year now.

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:05 I suspect AJ didn't want to waste any more time on it as he knew that Chisora already had a contract.

I think Fury has seen what Jake Paul is doing etc and has now moved to that model: use his personality/fan base to promote a fight and take on guaranteed victories.

I think also he is filming a documentary so definitely doesn't want to lose whilst filming that.

I anticipate it being Charr or someone similar next March. Definitely won't be Uysk/Joshua/Ruiz or Joyce.

I suspect/ I think X2/ I anticipate followed by a "Definitely".
Mystic Meg will be eating humble pie in 2023.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:28

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:26

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:24

Negotiating a fight through social media is the biggest indicator that Fury didn't want it. It's a great pity that one of the Heavyweight Champions is a bottle job. It harms the sport. Thankfully, there is a real Heavyweight Champion ( Uysk) that Boxing fans and the wider public can respect

Usyk turned down the Fury fight in December.
Was Joshua doing the catwalk at Milan Fashion show an indicator that he was preparing to fight Fury?
Who is Joshua fighting in December?

He's gonna fight in the new year now.

No sh1t Sherlock.
Do you, lennox and maverick still believe he was in serious training for 3 December?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:28

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:26

Usyk turned down the Fury fight in December.
Was Joshua doing the catwalk at Milan Fashion show an indicator that he was preparing to fight Fury?
Who is Joshua fighting in December?

He's gonna fight in the new year now.

No sh1t Sherlock.
Do you, lennox and maverick still believe he was in serious training for 3 December?

The date he had was Dec 17th wasn't it?

What you including me in this anyway?

I just replied to your question.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:38

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:31

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:28

He's gonna fight in the new year now.

No sh1t Sherlock.
Do you, lennox and maverick still believe he was in serious training for 3 December?

The date he had was Dec 17th wasn't it?

What you including me in this anyway?

I just replied to your question.

He had a contract for a fight with Fury on 3 December. Do you think he was in serious training for this fight?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:29

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 07:05 I suspect AJ didn't want to waste any more time on it as he knew that Chisora already had a contract.

I think Fury has seen what Jake Paul is doing etc and has now moved to that model: use his personality/fan base to promote a fight and take on guaranteed victories.

I think also he is filming a documentary so definitely doesn't want to lose whilst filming that.

I anticipate it being Charr or someone similar next March. Definitely won't be Uysk/Joshua/Ruiz or Joyce.

I suspect/ I think X2/ I anticipate followed by a "Definitely".
Mystic Meg will be eating humble pie in 2023.

Ooh, someone with inside knowledge. Nudge, nudge, wink,

Actions speak louder than words, and by the 4 December Fury will have boxed Whyte and Chisora in a 14 month period. That doesn't inspire confidence in Fury's confidence to take on the best.

Uysk was never going to be available in December so it is a bit disengenerous to say that he turned the Fury fight down.

I hope they do fight next year but it would come as a big surprise.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:51

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 04:29 Yeh, you don’t see the Chisora fight being mentioned at all on socials. Why so different when it’s AJ?

I'd imagine AJ would involve a far more thorough camp. He can half arse a camp for Del. The media are reporting AJ refusing the fight as fact now.

Who do you mean by ‘the media’? I haven’t seen anyone reporting it that way.