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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 13:40

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Apr 2022, 15:21
I'm pretty sure Whyte has done what is in his contract, maybe the bare minimum - and all under legal advisement

He hasn't so far. His contract states he must make 'Reasonable efforts to promote the fight'. If he doesn't up his efforts Frank can withold his purse and see him in court.

If Whyte intends to fight, he better show up for the fight week press conferences because if he doesn't he faces the very real prospect of losing a big chunk of his fight purse.

I don't think FW would win. An argument could easily be made and proven that Dillian's deliberate and well publicised decision not to promote this fight in the tired, conventional fashion was in itself at the very least a reasonable effort to promote the fight i.e. his lack of chat is promotion by other means. I have heard way more about Dillian not turning up for this, that and the other, or not doing this, that and the other, than I have heard about and from Tyson. I would testify to that too,

jimmystone wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 15:29

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 13:40

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Apr 2022, 15:21
I'm pretty sure Whyte has done what is in his contract, maybe the bare minimum - and all under legal advisement

He hasn't so far. His contract states he must make 'Reasonable efforts to promote the fight'. If he doesn't up his efforts Frank can withold his purse and see him in court.

If Whyte intends to fight, he better show up for the fight week press conferences because if he doesn't he faces the very real prospect of losing a big chunk of his fight purse.

I don't think FW would win. An argument could easily be made and proven that Dillian's deliberate and well publicised decision not to promote this fight in the tired, conventional fashion was in itself at the very least a reasonable effort to promote the fight i.e. his lack of chat is promotion by other means. I have heard way more about Dillian not turning up for this, that and the other, or not doing this, that and the other, than I have heard about and from Tyson. I would testify to that too,

It wouldn't be my first avenue if defence but I agree. No doubt they'll be able to prove that through social media interactions as evidence as well.

Also, 'reasonable' can be interpreted in so many ways that it would be difficult for Frank to prove in court that Dillian's interpretation of 'reasonable effort' was more effort than the effort he put in.

As I’ve said before, in any situation that is open to interpretation, it tends to just come down to who has the best (often most expensive) lawyer.

Think at the moment its all smoke and mirrors fro Fwank ,,, Got know doubt there will be certain contractual arrangements Dillan has to do , but i doubt jumping on an economy class flight with a cheap airline in the middle of training , to come over and do a press conference on his own is part of it ,, would think if it is Tyson would have to be there too , and he is not giving interviews or going on social media ... In fact it ould probably be in the contract that Dillan does'nt do anything to put the show in jepordy , such things has jumping on a cheap airline economy class and risking covid to go galavanting across Europe to do unofficial interviews

Its a standard contract fro what Frank said and i doubt being a purse bid contract the onus is on just Dillan to stop training and start jumping through hoops so until we actually see Dillan refuse to do something with Tyson an interview , turn up for a face off , alls we have is one boxer refusing to do interviews , pretty much the same has the other boxer calling a social media blackout . .

Personaly i hope this is the BIG one the one which Fwank bites of more than he can chew , and when he sues gets sued right back and lose his fortune ,, hopefully Dillan will get justice for all the ones who he has refused to pay in the past

How come everyone always seems to shit on Frank?

I mean im not his biggest fan, but what do people expect?

dude threatened to sue this forum and get it shut down lol, mr grumpy can suck a lemon

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 23:16 dude threatened to sue this forum and get it shut down lol, mr grumpy can suck a lemon

I’m aware of that one.. that’s why he’s allegedly. Lol

kinda makes it easy to dislike him doesnt it. he's a total bitter grump

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 23:20 kinda makes it easy to dislike him doesnt it. he's a total bitter grump

Complete a-hole..

jimmystone wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 15:29

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 13:40

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Apr 2022, 15:21
I'm pretty sure Whyte has done what is in his contract, maybe the bare minimum - and all under legal advisement

He hasn't so far. His contract states he must make 'Reasonable efforts to promote the fight'. If he doesn't up his efforts Frank can withold his purse and see him in court.

If Whyte intends to fight, he better show up for the fight week press conferences because if he doesn't he faces the very real prospect of losing a big chunk of his fight purse.

I don't think FW would win. An argument could easily be made and proven that Dillian's deliberate and well publicised decision not to promote this fight in the tired, conventional fashion was in itself at the very least a reasonable effort to promote the fight i.e. his lack of chat is promotion by other means. I have heard way more about Dillian not turning up for this, that and the other, or not doing this, that and the other, than I have heard about and from Tyson. I would testify to that too,

Come on, we both know there would be far more hype if there was a press conference where Tyson was aloud to go at Whyte.

Either way doing the sum of F All is not a reasonable effort to promote the fight

joshj909 wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 16:49
Also, 'reasonable' can be interpreted in so many ways that it would be difficult for Frank to prove in court that Dillian's interpretation of 'reasonable effort' was more effort than the effort he put in.

'Reasonable' would he interpreted by historic behaviour of fighters. If he doesn't show up to the next press conference Frank would be in his rights to say he hasn't put reasonable effort to promote the fight. He can argue that already after he dipped the initial press conference

we're all legal experts who've seen the contract now

Frank has read elements of the contract out on talkSPORT.

It is vague, and mentions reasonable efforts, although there is specific reference to Whyte posting on social media.

He still has time to do that though - and attend an official press conference - if his lawyers are good enough they will have a case to argue.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 23:15 How come everyone always seems to shit on Frank?

I mean im not his biggest fan, but what do people expect?

He’s had history of paying some fighters late and a small minority not receiving their contractual purses.

The main one that really put me off Frank was the Ricky Burns case. He would up his company to avoid paying Ricky (as Ricky’s contract was with Frank’s company and not Frank himself personally) which put Ricky in financial problems. Ricky had to declare himself bankrupt over it as the parts of the case he lost were to Frank personally being his co-manager.

The judge was highly critical of Frank’s quality of evidence and honesty. It’s also why I firmly think boxers shouldn’t have managers that are, or are closely related, their promoters. It’s banned in the US under the Muhammed Ali act.

Frank then also lost a case against his own lawyers as their fees weren’t paid either. I think the bulk of their fees were dependent on Frank winning the case so when Frank won the management side of it the fees then became due. Frank argued that because he didn’t get paid, the lawyers shouldn’t get paid. He lost the case.

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 04:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 23:15 How come everyone always seems to shit on Frank?

I mean im not his biggest fan, but what do people expect?

He’s had history of paying some fighters late and a small minority not receiving their contractual purses.

The main one that really put me off Frank was the Ricky Burns case. He would up his company to avoid paying Ricky (as Ricky’s contract was with Frank’s company and not Frank himself personally) which put Ricky in financial problems. Ricky had to declare himself bankrupt over it as the parts of the case he lost were to Frank personally being his co-manager.

The judge was highly critical of Frank’s quality of evidence and honesty. It’s also why I firmly think boxers shouldn’t have managers that are, or are closely related, their promoters. It’s banned in the US under the Muhammed Ali act.

Frank then also lost a case against his own lawyers as their fees weren’t paid either. I think the bulk of their fees were dependent on Frank winning the case so when Frank won the management side of it the fees then became due. Frank argued that because he didn’t get paid, the lawyers shouldn’t get paid. He lost the case.

I keep alluding too it so now i'll come right out and ask it ,, What excatly has Dillan refused to do regards promoting the fight ,, i know he's keeping stum about it ,,, but Fwank says he's contractually obliged to do stuff ,,, does anyone know excatly what he's contracted to do , and more importantly what if anything he has actually REFUSED to do

Fwank alluded to he has an obligation on social networks ,, but what obligation ,, One where he has too talk about it ,, say its going to be war or is just simply complaining he's not getting paid enough , good enough publicity , what about Tyson surely he has the same obligation , nothing being said by him he's got a social media blackout happenning .

So does anyone actually know of any obligation he's got but not fulfilled , i can imagine he will be there for a face off , he'll be there for a weigh in with Tyson ,,, but regards a face off , how can you have someone contractually obliged to make a song and dance , He can sit look at Tyson smile and say , nice day is'nt it .

I think he's doing a great job i'm just waiting for Fwanks head to explode soon

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:05

I keep alluding too it so now i'll come right out and ask it ,, What excatly has Dillan refused to do regards promoting the fight ,, i know he's keeping stum about it ,

I guess exactly that, to promote the fight and generate more interest but he isn't doing that

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:05

maverick23 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 04:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 23:15 How come everyone always seems to shit on Frank?

I mean im not his biggest fan, but what do people expect?

He’s had history of paying some fighters late and a small minority not receiving their contractual purses.

The main one that really put me off Frank was the Ricky Burns case. He would up his company to avoid paying Ricky (as Ricky’s contract was with Frank’s company and not Frank himself personally) which put Ricky in financial problems. Ricky had to declare himself bankrupt over it as the parts of the case he lost were to Frank personally being his co-manager.

The judge was highly critical of Frank’s quality of evidence and honesty. It’s also why I firmly think boxers shouldn’t have managers that are, or are closely related, their promoters. It’s banned in the US under the Muhammed Ali act.

Frank then also lost a case against his own lawyers as their fees weren’t paid either. I think the bulk of their fees were dependent on Frank winning the case so when Frank won the management side of it the fees then became due. Frank argued that because he didn’t get paid, the lawyers shouldn’t get paid. He lost the case.

I keep alluding too it so now i'll come right out and ask it ,, What excatly has Dillan refused to do regards promoting the fight ,, i know he's keeping stum about it ,,, but Fwank says he's contractually obliged to do stuff ,,, does anyone know excatly what he's contracted to do , and more importantly what if anything he has actually REFUSED to do

Fwank alluded to he has an obligation on social networks ,, but what obligation ,, One where he has too talk about it ,, say its going to be war or is just simply complaining he's not getting paid enough , good enough publicity , what about Tyson surely he has the same obligation , nothing being said by him he's got a social media blackout happenning .

So does anyone actually know of any obligation he's got but not fulfilled , i can imagine he will be there for a face off , he'll be there for a weigh in with Tyson ,,, but regards a face off , how can you have someone contractually obliged to make a song and dance , He can sit look at Tyson smile and say , nice day is'nt it .

I think he's doing a great job i'm just waiting for Fwanks head to explode soon

The only thing he’s seemingly refused to do is attend the press conference. He was offered a regular plane ticket up to 48 hours before the press conference and understandably refused. He was finally offered a private plane on the proviso there’d be a BT crew onboard to interview him. He turned that down too. I’m sure he’d be able to argue that he was in training and didn’t want to risk sharing a small plane with several people he didn’t know and risk covid.

Not sure if it was ever offered for him to attend via vide link like Andrade did the other week.

Ultimately the contractual parts that Frank’s read out are vague and open to interpretation. If Dillian does the fight week press conference and a couple of Twitter posts then he’ll be fine.

Fwank has said he has a replacement opponent lined up if Whyte pulls out.
Does anyone know who that would be???

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 19:53 Fwank has said he has a replacement opponent lined up if Whyte pulls out.
Does anyone know who that would be???

I'm getting the impresion Fwank would like him to pull out ,, replacement won't cut it , it would'nt be anyone who would warrant what Fury is getting and he would not take a drop in money ... He is sure goading Dillan enough with talk of holding money not paying him . with Fwanks track record it certainly looks like he's making excuses not to pay already

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:40

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:05

I keep alluding too it so now i'll come right out and ask it ,, What excatly has Dillan refused to do regards promoting the fight ,, i know he's keeping stum about it ,

I guess exactly that, to promote the fight and generate more interest but he isn't doing that

Could be argued , that his silence is causing more interest than any other fight in the UK ,, Hope Dillans lawyers are taking copys of ALL the articles and social media discusions going on , and 94000 tickets sold may tend to prove that

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 20:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 19:53 Fwank has said he has a replacement opponent lined up if Whyte pulls out.
Does anyone know who that would be???

I'm getting the impresion Fwank would like him to pull out ,, replacement won't cut it , it would'nt be anyone who would warrant what Fury is getting and he would not take a drop in money ... He is sure goading Dillan enough with talk of holding money not paying him . with Fwanks track record it certainly looks like he's making excuses not to pay already

I doubt Fwank wants to offer refunds for the 90,000 Wembley ticket purchases. If Whyte pulls out, they'll have new contracts and Fury won't be getting the money he'd get from a mandatory in Whyte

Best bet on short notice would be Helenious or Wallin. Joyce is still recovering from a broken wrist so he's out. I don't think anyone really wants Chisora 3.

Hopefully Whyte comes out of hiding and it happens.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 02:02

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 20:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 19:53 Fwank has said he has a replacement opponent lined up if Whyte pulls out.
Does anyone know who that would be???

I'm getting the impresion Fwank would like him to pull out ,, replacement won't cut it , it would'nt be anyone who would warrant what Fury is getting and he would not take a drop in money ... He is sure goading Dillan enough with talk of holding money not paying him . with Fwanks track record it certainly looks like he's making excuses not to pay already

I doubt Fwank wants to offer refunds for the 90,000 Wembley ticket purchases. If Whyte pulls out, they'll have new contracts and Fury won't be getting the money he'd get from a mandatory in Whyte

Best bet on short notice would be Helenious or Wallin. Joyce is still recovering from a broken wrist so he's out. I don't think anyone really wants Chisora 3.

Hopefully Whyte comes out of hiding and it happens.

Agree refunds will be the last thing he wants or needs ,, might be time for Whyte to actually start dropping hints it could happen if Fwank does'nt shut his mouth and stop with the threats ,,, Think if i was Whyte i would really be muttering i want money put in Escrow due to the fract Fwank has publicly indicated he is going to hold up paying

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 21:01

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:40

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:05

I keep alluding too it so now i'll come right out and ask it ,, What excatly has Dillan refused to do regards promoting the fight ,, i know he's keeping stum about it ,

I guess exactly that, to promote the fight and generate more interest but he isn't doing that

Could be argued , that his silence is causing more interest than any other fight in the UK ,, Hope Dillans lawyers are taking copys of ALL the articles and social media discusions going on , and 94000 tickets sold may tend to prove that

Maybe but I’m not sure silence creates more interest than Whyte going on the attack in interviews, social media etc, I doubt most people who aren’t boxing fans would even know there was a fight coming up. PPV is the money spinner so I can only assume Whyte will get the same purse regardless of PPV sales so maybe thinks why should he bother promoting it more.

Controversial wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 03:34

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 21:01

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 09:40

I guess exactly that, to promote the fight and generate more interest but he isn't doing that

Could be argued , that his silence is causing more interest than any other fight in the UK ,, Hope Dillans lawyers are taking copys of ALL the articles and social media discusions going on , and 94000 tickets sold may tend to prove that

Maybe but I’m not sure silence creates more interest than Whyte going on the attack in interviews, social media etc, I doubt most people who aren’t boxing fans would even know there was a fight coming up. PPV is the money spinner so I can only assume Whyte will get the same purse regardless of PPV sales so maybe thinks why should he bother promoting it more.

Yeah - I agree with this. The hardcore are interested in the lawyer/Whyte not doing any promotion stuff but to get the PPV record that Frank’s been talking about they need more than that. Hopefully it comes next week.

coneye wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 02:38

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 02:02

coneye wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 20:57

I'm getting the impresion Fwank would like him to pull out ,, replacement won't cut it , it would'nt be anyone who would warrant what Fury is getting and he would not take a drop in money ... He is sure goading Dillan enough with talk of holding money not paying him . with Fwanks track record it certainly looks like he's making excuses not to pay already

I doubt Fwank wants to offer refunds for the 90,000 Wembley ticket purchases. If Whyte pulls out, they'll have new contracts and Fury won't be getting the money he'd get from a mandatory in Whyte

Best bet on short notice would be Helenious or Wallin. Joyce is still recovering from a broken wrist so he's out. I don't think anyone really wants Chisora 3.

Hopefully Whyte comes out of hiding and it happens.

Agree refunds will be the last thing he wants or needs ,, might be time for Whyte to actually start dropping hints it could happen if Fwank does'nt shut his mouth and stop with the threats ,,, Think if i was Whyte i would really be muttering i want money put in Escrow due to the fract Fwank has publicly indicated he is going to hold up paying

This is the thing though. It does say something in the contract about making efforts to promote the fight. If Whyte just offered the common curtesy of attending press conferences Fwank wouldn't have a leg to stand on or anything to complain about. Hopefully he shows up on fight week, does the final presser and the weigh in and the event goes on. It should be enough to say he made reasonable efforts to promote the fight

Also if Whyte pulls out where is his career going? Does he forfeit his mandatory position? If not does it goto purse bids again, where Fwanks knows he can bid 8m less and win. Where's Whyte's big money fight otherwise? What if AJ loses to Usyk? Usyk isn't a bigger fight than Fury. And does an AJ coming off a loss really want to go in with Whyte? If AJ wins he'd want Fury, not Whyte.

Ofcourse it could be that Whyte wants to give himself the best chance of winning and not letting Fury dominate the trash talking. Although I think there's some petulance from Whyte too because he's getting the short end of the promotion.

Whyte has an experienced solicitor.
If he wasn't keeping to the contractual obligations, he would have that made very clear to him.
The fact that he isn't doing all the promotional guff, and Fwank is only threatening legal action and not starting proceedings, means there likely isn't broad ranging promotional clauses.