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Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 03:51**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 03:31 Did you think Wilder 2 was slow and plodding?

I don't think Wilder 2 was anything like high tempo.
The 2nd fight was where Wilder gassed early and blamed 101 things for his legs going .. he certainly didn't force Fury to fight outside of his own plodding pace for anything longer than he wanted to.

The 3rd Wilder fight was again Fury at his plodding pace against a guy who appeared like he wanted out of there pretty early .. Wilders legs had gone again and wasn't able to force any pace change on Fury.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 03:53**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 02:36 You best start following a new sport then. Almost all are linked to people with some sort of criminal past. Tyson himself doesn’t have a criminal record.
Do you hate Johnny Fisher because of the Tibbs family background? Any Warren fighter because of his and his families past?

What a poor attempt at whataboutery. Tell me again, how many people’s eyes Usyk father has gauged out AND how many mob bosses Usyk himself is associated with so much so that he is banned to enter the US?

It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that having a family like the Furys AND having criminal associations like Fury himself as well is something normal. Not even remotely, not even by boxing standards.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 03:55**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 03:31 Did you think Wilder 2 was slow and plodding?

Compared to the pace and work rate Usyk will bring for 12 straight rounds?

Hell yes.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:06**

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 03:53
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 02:36 You best start following a new sport then. Almost all are linked to people with some sort of criminal past. Tyson himself doesn’t have a criminal record.
Do you hate Johnny Fisher because of the Tibbs family background? Any Warren fighter because of his and his families past?
What a poor attempt at whataboutery. Tell me again, how many people’s eyes Usyk father has gauged out AND how many mob bosses Usyk himself is associated with so much so that he is banned to enter the US?

It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that having a family like the Furys AND having criminal associations like Fury himself as well is something normal. Not even remotely, not even by boxing standards.

I’m not really up on Ukrainian crime so I don’t know. As said, Tyson doesn’t have a criminal record. People still love Ronnie O’Sullivan despite his dads past.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:27**

The Ronnie Sullivan background is a whole lot different to Tyson Fury's though isn't it Mick .. how his dad's crime impacted on Ronnie when he first came onto the scene was very different in that Ronnie denounced his dad's crime and explained how it had a negative affect on his own mental health (before mental health was a fashionable excuse to use).

What we have with the Furys is Big John very much sticking to and playing up his hard man image. Tyson a father spouting absolute bile Which goes far from setting a good example to them.

Selling a fight is one thing - who else spouts the nonsense Fury's do??

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:30**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 04:06 I’m not really up on Ukrainian crime so I don’t know. As said, Tyson doesn’t have a criminal record. People still love Ronnie O’Sullivan despite his dads past.

You are still trying with the whataboutery. Why? In what dimension would Fury’s association with a mobster look any better because of a snooker player’s dad? In any case, didn’t Ronnie denounce his father, instead of making him an ever present member of his entourage?

As I said: no moral compass if you can honestly root for a guy who is banned from entering the US AND has a father who gauged someone’s eyes out. You do understand the concept of “and”, right?

Not that it matters, but just for your information; Usyk’s father was a soldier with no criminal record or associations whatsoever. Usyk has always been a deeply religious man with no criminal record or associations whatsoever. You know, Usyk is the type of religious guy who doesn’t just blabber “I want to thank me Jesus” after a fight in the name of being a Christian but actually does live an exemplary life, without bullying others, snorting gak, cheating on his wife, lying about giving away his purse for charity, lying about living a modest life and not caring about money etc.

The problem with Fury fans is that you always give a free pass for everything Fury and/or any members of his entourage says and does. I have been a boxing follower for some thirty years now but I haven’t witnessed such cult follower mentality since Mike Tyson was an active fighter.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:43**

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 04:30
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 04:06 I’m not really up on Ukrainian crime so I don’t know. As said, Tyson doesn’t have a criminal record. People still love Ronnie O’Sullivan despite his dads past.
You are still trying with the whataboutery. Why? In what dimension would Fury’s association with a mobster look any better because of a snooker player’s dad? In any case, didn’t Ronnie denounce his father, instead of making him an ever present member of his entourage?

As I said: no moral compass if you can honestly root for a guy who is banned from entering the US AND has a father who gauged someone’s eyes out. You do understand the concept of “and”, right?

Not that it matters, but just for your information; Usyk’s father was a soldier with no criminal record or associations whatsoever. Usyk has always been a deeply religious man with no criminal record or associations whatsoever. You know, Usyk is the type of religious guy who doesn’t just blabber “I want to thank me Jesus” after a fight in the name of being a Christian but actually does live an exemplary life, without bullying others, snorting gak, cheating on his wife, lying about giving away his purse for charity, lying about living a modest life and not caring about money etc.

The problem with Fury fans is that you always give a free pass for everything Fury and/or any members of his entourage says and does. I have been a boxing follower for some thirty years now but I haven’t witnessed such cult follower mentality since Mike Tyson was an active fighter.

Billy Pickles....just wait....

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:48**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 04:06
887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 03:53
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 02:36 You best start following a new sport then. Almost all are linked to people with some sort of criminal past. Tyson himself doesn’t have a criminal record.
Do you hate Johnny Fisher because of the Tibbs family background? Any Warren fighter because of his and his families past?
What a poor attempt at whataboutery. Tell me again, how many people’s eyes Usyk father has gauged out AND how many mob bosses Usyk himself is associated with so much so that he is banned to enter the US?

It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that having a family like the Furys AND having criminal associations like Fury himself as well is something normal. Not even remotely, not even by boxing standards.
I’m not really up on Ukrainian crime so I don’t know. As said, Tyson doesn’t have a criminal record. People still love Ronnie O’Sullivan despite his dads past.

You can’t choose your dad but you can choose to take steroids, lie about giving money to charity and whether or not you get into bed with a drug lord responsible for multiple murders.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 04:51**

Pickles is out next in Leeds on a bill of mainly Henry Wharton fighters, including Mitchell Barton, who knocked a woman out plus Denzil Brownes younger sons debut… this guy is going to crack up.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 05:04**

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 03:12
mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 17:54
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑11 Mar 2023, 17:22

There's a consensus here on that. If Fury's allowed to get away with the dirties I think he'll wear Usyk down for a late stoppage.

If the ref doesn't tolerate holding I can see a lot of subjective cards in a close fight. Fury's length allows him a ton of space control that Usyk hasn't dealt with before, but at the same time he's better than anyone Fury's had to contain. It all hinges on how much Usyk can thread through the gaps when they present.

Usyk should add mandatory testing to the contract, because a clean Fury on 6 weeks' hard training is definitely beatable.
Both need testing. Aside me being a Fury fan, Usyk did look really small only a few weeks ago.
Yes both guys need testing the same. However it's easy to imagine one of them using it as an excuse to pull out of the fight.

If they fight - I expect Usyk to be too mobile and clever for Fury. However Fury is very skilled in negating that by grabbing/holding .. and if allowed to get away with that then we are in for a very ugly and boring nights boxing - and Usyk loses.

Fury can only fight at his own plodding pace. Lots have commented that his runs are infamously very slow, and I've seen nothing of his training done at anything resembling high tempo .. it's the changing of pace that knackers you out as your heart/breathing changes and muscles get less oxygen.
If Usyk can get him to up it just 10-20bpm early on then Fury's weight advantage will by mid rounds be his disadvantage.

It's interesting that Eddie Hearn didn't sound convinced the fight will happen .. his little smile didn't make him look convinced.

The same Hearn that said Wilder-Fury wouldn’t happen?

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 05:06**

And he spent three weeks of that camp in a hospital special care baby unit.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 05:47**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:06 And he spent three weeks of that camp in a hospital special care baby unit.

Or so he said ...

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 05:54**

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:47
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:06 And he spent three weeks of that camp in a hospital special care baby unit.
Or so he said ...

The nurses aren’t in on it all as well, are they? And David Price, who he ran round Liverpool with.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:20**

What better to do on a Sunday morning than to defend the irreproachable honour of your hero worshipped boxer. This build up's going to be immense.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:27**

Allot of talk about Tyson being obnoxious, which is true, but the technical match up is what intrigues me. The 2 best movers at HW since Wlad at least and arguably since Ali. How does Usyk close the gap and reach? He did fine against AJ but Fury is taller/rangier. Usyk has the better stamina so will move more to control the angles. Usyk will likely fight at a faster pace. If Usyk is out boxing Fury, does Fury resort to infighting with hooks to the body and head? AJ had some success with that and Fury has much better inside game and workrate. I expect Fury to try his jab and grab, wrestle and lean his bodyweight on Usyk, and hitting and holding. It's a Warren promotion so they won't get a ref who warns Fury about it. I think it will be a great back and forth fight with both men having successes. Usyk probably outlanding Fury, but Fury landing the bigger shots. If it's close or Usyk edges it then we might unfortunately see a hometown decision. Hopefully that doesn't happen. This could be a match up that is actually worthy of a trilogy.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:28**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:54
tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:47
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:06 And he spent three weeks of that camp in a hospital special care baby unit.
Or so he said ...
The nurses aren’t in on it all as well, are they? And David Price, who he ran round Liverpool with.

How many of those nurses did you speak to confirm his claim Mick?
Fury's have absolutely no shame in the stories they spin.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:34**

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 04:27

What we have with the Furys is Big John very much sticking to and playing up his hard man image. Tyson a father spouting absolute bile Which goes far from setting a good example to them.

Selling a fight is one thing - who else spouts the nonsense Fury's do??

John Fury is an embarrassment. He's in his 60s, acting like a 20 year old who's had a sniff of the barmaids apron too many

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:37**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 This could be a match up that is actually worthy of a trilogy.

Fury is happy to stink the place out to win as he did against Wlad.
His ego is 10x bigger now - it's his own show - and no doubt he chooses the ref as part of agreeing to fight Usyk. He will be even more confident to use dirty tactics to spoil/grab/hold/tie-up/lean-on.

As much as I want to see the fight, I'm expecting a very ugly fight. the rematch is a given .. hopefully not a trilogy to tie things up for years.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 06:57**

Fury was too scared to fight Usyk.
Now he’s bringing his own ref and he’s going to spoil the fight.
Have a day off ladies.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 07:02**

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:54
tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:47
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 05:06 And he spent three weeks of that camp in a hospital special care baby unit.
Or so he said ...
The nurses aren’t in on it all as well, are they? And David Price, who he ran round Liverpool with.

So there was a time when Fury run around with Price rather than away from him?

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 07:03**

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:37
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 This could be a match up that is actually worthy of a trilogy.
Fury is happy to stink the place out to win as he did against Wlad.
His ego is 10x bigger now - it's his own show - and no doubt he chooses the ref as part of agreeing to fight Usyk. He will be even more confident to use dirty tactics to spoil/grab/hold/tie-up/lean-on.

As much as I want to see the fight, I'm expecting a very ugly fight. the rematch is a given .. hopefully not a trilogy to tie things up for years.

If the fight happens and that's a big if, expect a Fury injury soon, if Usyk wins he'll retire right after I imagine.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 07:43**

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:37
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 This could be a match up that is actually worthy of a trilogy.
Fury is happy to stink the place out to win as he did against Wlad.
His ego is 10x bigger now - it's his own show - and no doubt he chooses the ref as part of agreeing to fight Usyk. He will be even more confident to use dirty tactics to spoil/grab/hold/tie-up/lean-on.

As much as I want to see the fight, I'm expecting a very ugly fight. the rematch is a given .. hopefully not a trilogy to tie things up for years.

I for one enjoyed the chess match that was Fury-Wlad. I'd likewise enjoy a Fury-Usyk chess match. But I think Fury is going to have a few problems with Usyk's mobility, workrate and speed and feel the need to rough him up, like in the Cunningham fight

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 08:09**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 07:43
tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:37
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 This could be a match up that is actually worthy of a trilogy.
Fury is happy to stink the place out to win as he did against Wlad.
His ego is 10x bigger now - it's his own show - and no doubt he chooses the ref as part of agreeing to fight Usyk. He will be even more confident to use dirty tactics to spoil/grab/hold/tie-up/lean-on.

As much as I want to see the fight, I'm expecting a very ugly fight. the rematch is a given .. hopefully not a trilogy to tie things up for years.
I for one enjoyed the chess match that was Fury-Wlad. I'd likewise enjoy a Fury-Usyk chess match. But I think Fury is going to have a few problems with Usyk's mobility, workrate and speed and feel the need to rough him up, like in the Cunningham fight

Usyk didn't look too comfortable when AJ tried to put it on him in round 9 of the rematch. Body shots will be the key.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 08:12**

Belly's getting punched.

Posted: **12 Mar 2023, 08:14**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 The 2 best movers at HW since Wlad at least and arguably since Ali.

Only partly true. The very big difference: Fury moves surprisingly well for his size and build whereas Uyk moves fantastically well, period. Fury looks good against the Wilders of the world, but make no mistake, it's all about perception. No matter how well Fury moves for his size, Usyk will make even him look really clumsy. Joshua, who has a fantastic balance for a heavyweight, looked like he was drunk for most of the time against Usyk. Usyk's constant movement will do that to you.

I fully expect most boxing fans to be baffled when Fury will look like Bambi on ice, and they will go "what's wrong with Fury, something's up", just like most people kept saying the Joshua Usyk beat was "not himself" and "very gun shy". The truth is, there was nothing wrong with Joshua. Usyk is just on another level compared to anyone in the division and he regularly makes even great fighters look average.

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