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887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:14

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 The 2 best movers at HW since Wlad at least and arguably since Ali.

Only partly true. The very big difference: Fury moves surprisingly well for his size and build whereas Uyk moves fantastically well, period. Fury looks good against the Wilders of the world, but make no mistake, it's all about perception. No matter how well Fury moves for his size, Usyk will make even him look really clumsy. Joshua, who has a fantastic balance for a heavyweight, looked like he was drunk for most of the time against Usyk. Usyk's constant movement will do that to you.

I fully expect most boxing fans to be baffled when Fury will look like Bambi on ice, and they will go "what's wrong with Fury, something's up", just like most people kept saying the Joshua Usyk beat was "not himself" and "very gun shy". The truth is, there was nothing wrong with Joshua. Usyk is just on another level compared to anyone in the division and he regularly makes even great fighters look average.

Time will catch up with the older, more inactive man.

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:12 Belly's getting punched.

"Yes, of course. Every time."

Fury will probably win back a few of his fans that decided they'd had enough of his antics if he keeps up his 'Rabbit!...Gap teeth!...Middleweight!' repeat and rinse video routine. However, such is Usyk's now popularity with how he's conducted himself and went about business, I wouldn't be surprised if the live stadium support was split 50/50, or possibly even more in favour of Usyk.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:21

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:14

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 The 2 best movers at HW since Wlad at least and arguably since Ali.

Only partly true. The very big difference: Fury moves surprisingly well for his size and build whereas Uyk moves fantastically well, period. Fury looks good against the Wilders of the world, but make no mistake, it's all about perception. No matter how well Fury moves for his size, Usyk will make even him look really clumsy. Joshua, who has a fantastic balance for a heavyweight, looked like he was drunk for most of the time against Usyk. Usyk's constant movement will do that to you.

I fully expect most boxing fans to be baffled when Fury will look like Bambi on ice, and they will go "what's wrong with Fury, something's up", just like most people kept saying the Joshua Usyk beat was "not himself" and "very gun shy". The truth is, there was nothing wrong with Joshua. Usyk is just on another level compared to anyone in the division and he regularly makes even great fighters look average.

Time will catch up with the older, more inactive man.

Of course; time catches up with even the best.

However longevity is helped if you take care of your body.


I would imagine Fury has put a lot more strain on his body than Usyk.
Fury is well known for his fondness of alcohol, drugs .. bad diet, ballooning in weight. They are things that stress and age the body.

All i hope for is a good clean fight. Where both guys are able to fight their fight and not spoil their way to an ugly decision.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:21

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:14

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 06:27 The 2 best movers at HW since Wlad at least and arguably since Ali.

Only partly true. The very big difference: Fury moves surprisingly well for his size and build whereas Uyk moves fantastically well, period. Fury looks good against the Wilders of the world, but make no mistake, it's all about perception. No matter how well Fury moves for his size, Usyk will make even him look really clumsy. Joshua, who has a fantastic balance for a heavyweight, looked like he was drunk for most of the time against Usyk. Usyk's constant movement will do that to you.

I fully expect most boxing fans to be baffled when Fury will look like Bambi on ice, and they will go "what's wrong with Fury, something's up", just like most people kept saying the Joshua Usyk beat was "not himself" and "very gun shy". The truth is, there was nothing wrong with Joshua. Usyk is just on another level compared to anyone in the division and he regularly makes even great fighters look average.

Time will catch up with the older, more inactive man.

More inactive? Lol, mate. Do you think a joke of a light sparring session against an almost 40-year-old, 12-losses Chisora in December counts as some significant activity?

In any case, Fury is the one who:
1. has balloned up to over 400 lbs in his late twenties
2. has dropped back to around 270-280 lbs rapidly
3. is still carrying around 25-30 lbs of excess body fat
4. has been drinking most of his adult life
5. has been snorting gak most of his adult life
6. has been eating all kinds of crap most of his adult life
7. is the one who said in December: "I'm pretty fucked up with injuries. I'm like a car with half-a-million miles on it. My body's worn out. My elbows are all fucked up, both arms. I've been punching for so long, and my arms are fucked, shoulders, back, everything. I can't do what I used to be able to do. It's paining me."
8. has been visibly declining from the third Wilder fight where he was slow and sluggish

These things, the weight cycling, the boozing, the gorging on burgers, the drugs etc. take a huge toll on the body. Fury abused his body so much that it's a minor miracle he still has a license.

On the other hand, Usyk is the one who:
1. is the most disciplined active HW when it comes to training
2. is the most disciplined active HW when it comes to dieting
3. has always been living cleanly
4. is still very close to his prime if not actually still in his prime physically

But you think this will all mean nothing because Usyk is some one and a half years older. Cool story, mate. Usyk's overall constitution is immensely better than that of Fury. If you are waiting for Usyk to decline to the point where Fury is in better shape physically, you will have a very long wait.

By the way, I bet the quotes from Fury about his body breaking down will be just put in the "oh, he is just messing about, it's all just mind games" box. It's very convenient to be a Fury fan. No accountability for Fury whatsoever, you just pull either the "mind games" or the "men'al 'elf" cards from your back pocket. I hope you won't disappoint me and you label the above mentioned direct quotes from Fury as "just mind games", mate.

Tyson hasn't looked big since his comeback. Usyk fluctuates rather strangely in between fights.

Usyk has boxed six times in the last five years, once against Del himself, two stoppages. Tyson has boxed nine times in that period. Six stoppages.

'Tis true. Usyk's well known to fluctuate between his 'Paris Fury Winter weight', and his 'Paris Fury Summer holiday weight'. Good point, well made.

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:57 'Tis true. Usyk's well known to fluctuate between his 'Paris Fury Winter weight', and his 'Paris Fury Summer holiday weight'. Good point, well made.

Got to be able to fit in them bikinis.

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:31 Fury will probably win back a few of his fans that decided they'd had enough of his antics if he keeps up his 'Rabbit!...Gap teeth!...Middleweight!' repeat and rinse video routine. However, such is Usyk's now popularity with how he's conducted himself and went about business, I wouldn't be surprised if the live stadium support was split 50/50, or possibly even more in favour of Usyk.

Stadium will be full of casuals I’d imagine. Fury is popular with non-boxing fans. I know plenty who went to Fury v Whyte/Chisora and all had no interest in boxing yet every boxing fan I know knew they were crap fights.

Fury’s fan base don’t know the ins and outs of boxing - the failed tests, the constant bollocks, the pull outs etc. They just see him screaming dosser on Instagram and think he’s hilarious.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:55 Usyk has boxed six times in the last five years, once against Del himself, two stoppages. Tyson has boxed nine times in that period. Six stoppages.

Nine times against average-at-best opposition. Still needed 150 power punches and 11 rounds to stop a stationary, exhausted, zero head movement Wilder.

Usyk, on the other hand, has always fought elite fighters since Glowacki, with the exception of Witherspoon and Chisora - although that 2020 version of Chisora was still immensely better than the one Fury sparred with in December.

Quality over quantity, mate.

By the way, lol at the cherry-picked time frame. I can do the same: since 2016, Fury has fought nine times while Usyk has fought eleven times. See? Easy as you like.

ashall2 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:10

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:31 Fury will probably win back a few of his fans that decided they'd had enough of his antics if he keeps up his 'Rabbit!...Gap teeth!...Middleweight!' repeat and rinse video routine. However, such is Usyk's now popularity with how he's conducted himself and went about business, I wouldn't be surprised if the live stadium support was split 50/50, or possibly even more in favour of Usyk.

Stadium will be full of casuals I’d imagine. Fury is popular with non-boxing fans. I know plenty who went to Fury v Whyte/Chisora and all had no interest in boxing yet every boxing fan I know knew they were crap fights.

Fury’s fan base don’t know the ins and outs of boxing - the failed tests, the constant bollocks, the pull outs etc. They just see him screaming dosser on Instagram and think he’s hilarious.

It's a huge fight and a proper heavyweight unification fight doesn't come along very often so it will be full of people that don't normally go to fights. No different to most major sporting events these days.

ashall2 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:10

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:31 Fury will probably win back a few of his fans that decided they'd had enough of his antics if he keeps up his 'Rabbit!...Gap teeth!...Middleweight!' repeat and rinse video routine. However, such is Usyk's now popularity with how he's conducted himself and went about business, I wouldn't be surprised if the live stadium support was split 50/50, or possibly even more in favour of Usyk.

Stadium will be full of casuals I’d imagine. Fury is popular with non-boxing fans. I know plenty who went to Fury v Whyte/Chisora and all had no interest in boxing yet every boxing fan I know knew they were crap fights.

Fury’s fan base don’t know the ins and outs of boxing - the failed tests, the constant bollocks, the pull outs etc. They just see him screaming dosser on Instagram and think he’s hilarious.

Exactly right. Fury is a celeb first, and a boxer second. No matter. It will be all the more hilarious to see those tens of thousands of casuals looking absolutely baffled when Usyk beats the breaks off the bald blob.

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:15

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:55 Usyk has boxed six times in the last five years, once against Del himself, two stoppages. Tyson has boxed nine times in that period. Six stoppages.

Nine times against average-at-best opposition. Still needed 150 power punches and 11 rounds to stop a stationary, exhausted, zero head movement Wilder.

Usyk, on the other hand, has always fought elite fighters since Glowacki, with the exception of Witherspoon and Chisora - although that 2020 version of Chisora was still immensely better than the one Fury sparred with in December.

Quality over quantity, mate.

By the way, lol at the cherry-picked time frame. I can do the same: since 2016, Fury has fought nine times while Usyk has fought eleven times. See? Easy as you like.

So two of the six in the last five years were crap too?

Why on earth would an undisputed heavyweight title fight only attract casuals? Everyone will want to be there, it's an historic event if it happens.

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:19

ashall2 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:10

The Gratest wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:31 Fury will probably win back a few of his fans that decided they'd had enough of his antics if he keeps up his 'Rabbit!...Gap teeth!...Middleweight!' repeat and rinse video routine. However, such is Usyk's now popularity with how he's conducted himself and went about business, I wouldn't be surprised if the live stadium support was split 50/50, or possibly even more in favour of Usyk.

Stadium will be full of casuals I’d imagine. Fury is popular with non-boxing fans. I know plenty who went to Fury v Whyte/Chisora and all had no interest in boxing yet every boxing fan I know knew they were crap fights.

Fury’s fan base don’t know the ins and outs of boxing - the failed tests, the constant bollocks, the pull outs etc. They just see him screaming dosser on Instagram and think he’s hilarious.

Exactly right. Fury is a celeb first, and a boxer second. No matter. It will be all the more hilarious to see those tens of thousands of casuals looking absolutely baffled when Usyk beats the breaks off the bald blob.

Half of them are the people who were big on AJ before he got beat.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:38 Why on earth would an undisputed heavyweight title fight only attract casuals? Everyone will want to be there, it's an historic event if it happens.

Because a handful of Forum experts told each other that Fury was too scared to fight and this has caused his popularity to plummet.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:37

887986 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:15

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 08:55 Usyk has boxed six times in the last five years, once against Del himself, two stoppages. Tyson has boxed nine times in that period. Six stoppages.

Nine times against average-at-best opposition. Still needed 150 power punches and 11 rounds to stop a stationary, exhausted, zero head movement Wilder.

Usyk, on the other hand, has always fought elite fighters since Glowacki, with the exception of Witherspoon and Chisora - although that 2020 version of Chisora was still immensely better than the one Fury sparred with in December.

Quality over quantity, mate.

By the way, lol at the cherry-picked time frame. I can do the same: since 2016, Fury has fought nine times while Usyk has fought eleven times. See? Easy as you like.

So two of the six in the last five years were crap too?

They were certainly better than all Fury fights in 2016 and 2017.

Fury is clearly scared and shit......

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:38 Why on earth would an undisputed heavyweight title fight only attract casuals? Everyone will want to be there, it's an historic event if it happens.

It won't only attract casuals - but prices will be a big factor on who's there.

Personally I'd prefer to watch it on TV. I'd not afford seats close enough to get a good view; but that won't matter to casuals who only be there pissed up and not be too bothered by actually watching.

There are 3 blokes in my local pub who would easily beat Fury but he is too scared to fight them.....

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 10:18

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 09:38 Why on earth would an undisputed heavyweight title fight only attract casuals? Everyone will want to be there, it's an historic event if it happens.

It won't only attract casuals - but prices will be a big factor on who's there.

Personally I'd prefer to watch it on TV. I'd not afford seats close enough to get a good view; but that won't matter to casuals who only be there pissed up and not be too bothered by actually watching.

Which is why I said earlier the gypsy boys will dominate the crowd. Especially the more expensive seats.

Coco wrote: ↑12 Mar 2023, 10:23There are 3 blokes in my local pub who would easily beat Fury but he is too scared to fight them.....

Ain't no pie-eatin' contest!