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Rick Farris wrote: Randy . . . Yes, his jab didn't rotate into the target like others. I had pretty good jab when I hooked up with Mel, that jab had saved me.
However, when I began to combine Mel's jab, closer to the target, knuckles up, it really had a place. I would alter how I threw my jab.
I threw it a lot to the body, body-head jab combos. Mel's inverted jab to the body was a great punch, hard to see, defend against, from a totally strange angle.

If there was one fighter who could do all of things that Mel tried to teach and have the quality to execute them I bet he'd be championship material. Actually, there was, his name is Young Firpo.


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Regarding Young Firpo: Agreed!

Later, after Mel had passed away, Larry Soto changed my jab. Mel's jab frustrated him. I also remember Mel's inverted right hand to the ticker. Once learned it was effective and hard to catch.

Ahh, the good old days.
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I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
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kikibalt wrote:I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
Lots of credit to Davis for getting up yes, none to the judges.

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From Fight News: Klitschko (yawn, uh excuse me) TKOs Chagaev!
I'll sleep better tonight.

Randy :roll:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
Lots of credit to Davis for getting up yes, none to the judges.

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You're right Randy, I had forgotten about the judges.... :witzend:
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Randyman wrote:From Fight News: Klitschko (yawn, uh excuse me) TKOs Chagaev!
I'll sleep better tonight.

Randy :roll:
I watched the fight this afternoon, a bullshit fight between two bullshit fighters, you who didn't see the fight are better off... :witzend:
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I found what has to be the best BBQ site on the web. It's on youtube. I know this has nothing to do with boxing but the way I see it, good BBQ is worth fighting for anytime.

First check out this video and then go to their main youtube page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAYJ9icc1M

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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:From Fight News: Klitschko (yawn, uh excuse me) TKOs Chagaev!
I'll sleep better tonight.

Randy :roll:
I watched the fight this afternoon, a bullshit fight between two bullshit fighters, you who didn't see the fight are better off... :witzend:
Then I'm better off. :lol:
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Randyman wrote:I found what has to be the best BBQ site on the web. It's on youtube. I know this has nothing to do with boxing but the way I see it, good BBQ is worth fighting for anytime.

First check out this video and then go to their main youtube page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAYJ9icc1M

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We're having a BBQ tomorrow, ribs, dogs, burgers with all the side trimmings.
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:I found what has to be the best BBQ site on the web. It's on youtube. I know this has nothing to do with boxing but the way I see it, good BBQ is worth fighting for anytime.

First check out this video and then go to their main youtube page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAYJ9icc1M

Randy
We're having a BBQ tomorrow, ribs, dogs, burgers with all the side trimmings.
Sounds good. We'll more than likely BBQ in the afternoon too. After watching that video I can't wait!
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Happy Fathers Day to my Pals here on the thread.
Enjoy your families , eat some polo , some carne, and have a few cervezas.

Brian.
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Expug wrote:Happy Fathers Day to my Pals here on the thread.
Enjoy your families , eat some polo , some carne, and have a few cervezas.

Brian.
Same to you, Brian... :TU:
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This is a feel good story

She finally has a home: Harvard

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Brian Vander Brug / Los Angeles Times
Khadijah Williams, with her mother, Chantwuan, left, and sister Jeanine at a storage facility, says
of her mother: “She would tell me I had a gift, she would call me Oprah.”
Khadijah Williams, 18, overcomes a lifetime in shelters and on skid row.

By Esmeralda Bermudez
June 19, 2009

Khadijah Williams stepped into chemistry class and instantly tuned out the commotion.

She walked past students laughing, gossiping, napping and combing one another's hair. Past a cellphone blaring rap songs. And past a substitute teacher sitting in a near-daze.

The 18-year-old settled into an empty table, flipped open her physics book and focused. Nothing mattered now except homework.

"No wonder you're going to Harvard," a girl teased her.

Around here, Khadijah is known as "Harvard girl," the "smart girl" and the girl with the contagious smile who landed at Jefferson High School only 18 months ago.

What students don't know is that she is also a homeless girl.

As long as she can remember, Khadijah has floated from shelters to motels to armories along the West Coast with her mother. She has attended 12 schools in 12 years; lived out of garbage bags among pimps, prostitutes and drug dealers. Every morning, she upheld her dignity, making sure she didn't smell or look disheveled.

On the streets, she learned how to hunt for their next meal, plot the next bus route and help choose a secure place to sleep -- survival skills she applied with passion to her education.

Only a few mentors and Harvard officials know her background. She never wanted other students to know her secret -- not until her plane left for the East Coast hours after her Friday evening graduation.

"I was so proud of being smart I never wanted people to say, 'You got the easy way out because you're homeless,' " she said. "I never saw it as an excuse."

A drive to succeed

"I have felt the anger at having to catch up in school . . . being bullied because they knew I was poor, different, and read too much," she wrote in her college essays. "I knew that if I wanted to become a smart, successful scholar, I should talk to other smart people."

Khadijah was in third grade when she first realized the power of test scores, placing in the 99th percentile on a state exam. Her teachers marked the 9-year-old as gifted, a special category that Khadijah, even at that early age, vowed to keep.

"I still remember that exact number," Khadijah said. "It meant only 0.01 students tested better than I did."

In the years that followed, her mother, Chantwuan Williams, pulled her out of school eight more times. When shelters closed, money ran out or her mother didn't feel safe, they packed what little they carried and boarded buses to find housing in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Ventura, San Diego, San Bernardino and Orange County, staying for months, at most, in one place.

She finished only half of fourth grade, half of fifth and skipped sixth. Seventh grade was split between Los Angeles and San Diego. Eighth grade consisted of two weeks in San Bernardino.

At every stop, Khadijah pushed to keep herself in each school's gifted program. She read nutrition charts, newspapers and four to five books a month, anything to transport her mind away from the chaos and the sour smell.

At school, she was the outsider. At the shelter, she was often bullied. "You ain't college-bound," the pimps barked. "You live in skid row!"

In 10th grade, Khadijah realized that if she wanted to succeed, she couldn't do it alone. She began to reach out to organizations and mentors: the Upward Bound Program, Higher Edge L.A., Experience Berkeley and South Central Scholars; teachers, counselors and college alumni networks. They helped her enroll in summer community college classes, gave her access to computers and scholarship applications and taught her about networking.

When she enrolled in the fall of her junior year at Jefferson High School, she was determined to stay put, regardless of where her mother moved. Graduation was not far off and she needed strong college letters of recommendation from teachers who were familiar with her work.

This soon meant commuting by bus from an Orange County armory. She awoke at 4 a.m. and returned at 11 p.m., and kept her grade-point average at just below a 4.0 while participating in the Academic Decathlon, the debate team and leading the school's track and field team.

"That's when I was really stressed," she says, at once sighing and laughing.

Khadijah graduated Friday evening with high honors, fourth in her class. She was accepted to more than 20 universities nationwide, including Brown, Columbia, Amherst and Williams. She chose a full scholarship to Harvard and aspires to become an education attorney.

Early adversity

She tried her best; she never smoked or drank, never did drugs, and she never put us in abusive situations. However, that was the best she could do.

There are questions about her mother Khadijah is not ready to ask, answers she is not ready to hear. How did her mother end up on the streets? How come she never found a stable home for her daughters? Why wasn't there family to turn to, no father, no grandparents? And what will become of her little sister?

"I don't know. I don't know," is often her response. Ask personal questions about her mother and the fire in Khadijah's eyes turns dim. She knows when she arrives in Cambridge, Mass., she will need to seek counseling. So much of her life is a blur.

She knows she was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., to a 14-year-old mother. She thinks Chantwuan might have been ostracized from her family. She may have tried to attend school, but the stress of a baby proved too much. When Khadijah was a toddler, they moved to California. A few years later, Jeanine was born.

She has chosen not to criticize her mother. Instead Khadijah said she inspired her to learn. "She would tell me I had a gift, she would call me Oprah."

When her college applications were due in December, James and Patricia London of South Central Scholars invited Khadijah to their home in Rancho Palos Verdes to help her write her essays.

When they went to return her to skid row, her mother and sister were gone.

Khadijah accepted the Londons' invitation to spend the rest of her school year with them.

In their comfortable hilltop home, Khadijah learned a new set of lessons. The orthopedic doctor and nurse taught her table manners, money management and grooming.

She won't be the first homeless student to arrive at Harvard.

Julie Hilden, the Harvard interviewer who met with Khadijah to gauge whether she should be accepted, said it was clear from the start that Khadijah was a top candidate. But school officials had to make sure they could provide what she needed to make the transition successful.

They plan to connect her with faculty mentors and potentially, a host family to check in with every so often. She will also attend a Harvard summer program at Cornell to take college-prep courses.

"I strongly recommended her," Hilden said. "I told them, 'If you don't take her, you might be missing out on the next Michelle Obama. Don't make this mistake.' "

Seeking connections

"I think about how I can convince my peers about the value of education. . . . I have found that after all the teasing, these peers start to respect me . . . . I decided that I could be the one to uplift my peers . . . . My work is far reaching and never finished."

Khadijah expected to feel more connected after nearly two years at Jefferson, to make at least one good friend.

Students flock to the smart girl for help with homework and tests and class questions. She walks through campus tenderly waving and smiling and complimenting everyone she knows.

But when prom pictures arrive, they show her posing alone in a silky black and white dress. In her yearbook, hundreds of familiar faces look back, but the memories are missing.

"It's a nice, glossy, shiny, colorful yearbook," she said. "But it feels like they're all strangers. I'm nowhere in these pages."

In the last six months, she saw her mother only a few times and on Thursday tried to find her. Khadijah headed to a South-Central storage facility where they last stored their belongings.

She found Chantwuan sitting on a garbage bag full of clothes.

"Khadijah's here!" her sister Jeanine yells. Chantwuan's face lit up.

She explained the details of her graduation, the bus route to get there and gave her mother a prom picture. She said she would leave for summer school Friday.

There is no talk of coming home of for Thanksgiving or Christmas.

Proudly, Khadijah modeled her hunter green graduation cap and gown and practiced switching the tassel from right to left as she would during the ceremony.

"Look at you," her mother says. "You're really going to Harvard, huh?"

"Yeah," she says, pausing. "I'm going to Harvard."

esmeralda.bermudez

@latimes.com

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Jefferson High School student Khadijah Williams, 18, looks for friends to sign her yearbook. Williams has been homeless her whole life but through hard work and perseverance, she was accepted to Harvard University in the fall.
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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Dongee wrote:Rog:

I have to live with that guy, who often invokes the imagery of better days as a refreshing memory. Where were you when I was 22 and yearning to court a Flamenco dancer from the famed Trio Pompa in L.A ?. Of course, that was in the great times of Triana and Carmen Amaya, with Antonio and Rosario not far behind. Remember?

hap navarro
Hap 'Ol Pal

I don't remember any of that. Have only read about it. Guys like you and Frank and my dad were lucky to be around and sample the finer things. The class and style,like I said,are only in the pages of history books.

Image

Carmen Amaya

Will be going to Spain next week. The Andalucia. My grand daughter will be dancing Flamenco. I'll be dancing in my heart.
Carmen Amaya in "Maria De La O" (1939)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvd-MALA7tw
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I came home tonight after sitting with my friend Jose Cuervo. This really knocked me out. Thanks :TU: .
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
Lots of credit to Davis for getting up yes, none to the judges.

Randy
Our Tony "The Tiger" . . .

I remember that fight. Agreed Randy, nothing to the judges. You have to understand how I felt, a few years after I had quit.
I'm seeing a kid that was just five when i first saw him fight.
Now he's on national TV, fighting an Olympic legend (with all the network edges, rtc.) Tony is kicking his ass.
Anything short of a KO win is a loss for Baltazar.
Kind of teaches a young man about those odds that can be stacked against you.
To those of us in L.A. Tony did us proud. We knew he kicked the Long Island N.Y. kid's ass.
That Olympic medal sure buys a lot consessions, doesn't it?


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kikibalt wrote:This is a feel good story

She finally has a home: Harvard

Image
Brian Vander Brug / Los Angeles Times
Khadijah Williams, with her mother, Chantwuan, left, and sister Jeanine at a storage facility, says
of her mother: “She would tell me I had a gift, she would call me Oprah.”
Khadijah Williams, 18, overcomes a lifetime in shelters and on skid row.

By Esmeralda Bermudez
June 19, 2009

Khadijah Williams stepped into chemistry class and instantly tuned out the commotion.

She walked past students laughing, gossiping, napping and combing one another's hair. Past a cellphone blaring rap songs. And past a substitute teacher sitting in a near-daze.

The 18-year-old settled into an empty table, flipped open her physics book and focused. Nothing mattered now except homework.

"No wonder you're going to Harvard," a girl teased her.

Around here, Khadijah is known as "Harvard girl," the "smart girl" and the girl with the contagious smile who landed at Jefferson High School only 18 months ago.

What students don't know is that she is also a homeless girl.

As long as she can remember, Khadijah has floated from shelters to motels to armories along the West Coast with her mother. She has attended 12 schools in 12 years; lived out of garbage bags among pimps, prostitutes and drug dealers. Every morning, she upheld her dignity, making sure she didn't smell or look disheveled.

On the streets, she learned how to hunt for their next meal, plot the next bus route and help choose a secure place to sleep -- survival skills she applied with passion to her education.

Only a few mentors and Harvard officials know her background. She never wanted other students to know her secret -- not until her plane left for the East Coast hours after her Friday evening graduation.

"I was so proud of being smart I never wanted people to say, 'You got the easy way out because you're homeless,' " she said. "I never saw it as an excuse."

A drive to succeed

"I have felt the anger at having to catch up in school . . . being bullied because they knew I was poor, different, and read too much," she wrote in her college essays. "I knew that if I wanted to become a smart, successful scholar, I should talk to other smart people."

Khadijah was in third grade when she first realized the power of test scores, placing in the 99th percentile on a state exam. Her teachers marked the 9-year-old as gifted, a special category that Khadijah, even at that early age, vowed to keep.

"I still remember that exact number," Khadijah said. "It meant only 0.01 students tested better than I did."

In the years that followed, her mother, Chantwuan Williams, pulled her out of school eight more times. When shelters closed, money ran out or her mother didn't feel safe, they packed what little they carried and boarded buses to find housing in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Ventura, San Diego, San Bernardino and Orange County, staying for months, at most, in one place.

She finished only half of fourth grade, half of fifth and skipped sixth. Seventh grade was split between Los Angeles and San Diego. Eighth grade consisted of two weeks in San Bernardino.

At every stop, Khadijah pushed to keep herself in each school's gifted program. She read nutrition charts, newspapers and four to five books a month, anything to transport her mind away from the chaos and the sour smell.

At school, she was the outsider. At the shelter, she was often bullied. "You ain't college-bound," the pimps barked. "You live in skid row!"

In 10th grade, Khadijah realized that if she wanted to succeed, she couldn't do it alone. She began to reach out to organizations and mentors: the Upward Bound Program, Higher Edge L.A., Experience Berkeley and South Central Scholars; teachers, counselors and college alumni networks. They helped her enroll in summer community college classes, gave her access to computers and scholarship applications and taught her about networking.

When she enrolled in the fall of her junior year at Jefferson High School, she was determined to stay put, regardless of where her mother moved. Graduation was not far off and she needed strong college letters of recommendation from teachers who were familiar with her work.

This soon meant commuting by bus from an Orange County armory. She awoke at 4 a.m. and returned at 11 p.m., and kept her grade-point average at just below a 4.0 while participating in the Academic Decathlon, the debate team and leading the school's track and field team.

"That's when I was really stressed," she says, at once sighing and laughing.

Khadijah graduated Friday evening with high honors, fourth in her class. She was accepted to more than 20 universities nationwide, including Brown, Columbia, Amherst and Williams. She chose a full scholarship to Harvard and aspires to become an education attorney.

Early adversity

She tried her best; she never smoked or drank, never did drugs, and she never put us in abusive situations. However, that was the best she could do.

There are questions about her mother Khadijah is not ready to ask, answers she is not ready to hear. How did her mother end up on the streets? How come she never found a stable home for her daughters? Why wasn't there family to turn to, no father, no grandparents? And what will become of her little sister?

"I don't know. I don't know," is often her response. Ask personal questions about her mother and the fire in Khadijah's eyes turns dim. She knows when she arrives in Cambridge, Mass., she will need to seek counseling. So much of her life is a blur.

She knows she was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., to a 14-year-old mother. She thinks Chantwuan might have been ostracized from her family. She may have tried to attend school, but the stress of a baby proved too much. When Khadijah was a toddler, they moved to California. A few years later, Jeanine was born.

She has chosen not to criticize her mother. Instead Khadijah said she inspired her to learn. "She would tell me I had a gift, she would call me Oprah."

When her college applications were due in December, James and Patricia London of South Central Scholars invited Khadijah to their home in Rancho Palos Verdes to help her write her essays.

When they went to return her to skid row, her mother and sister were gone.

Khadijah accepted the Londons' invitation to spend the rest of her school year with them.

In their comfortable hilltop home, Khadijah learned a new set of lessons. The orthopedic doctor and nurse taught her table manners, money management and grooming.

She won't be the first homeless student to arrive at Harvard.

Julie Hilden, the Harvard interviewer who met with Khadijah to gauge whether she should be accepted, said it was clear from the start that Khadijah was a top candidate. But school officials had to make sure they could provide what she needed to make the transition successful.

They plan to connect her with faculty mentors and potentially, a host family to check in with every so often. She will also attend a Harvard summer program at Cornell to take college-prep courses.

"I strongly recommended her," Hilden said. "I told them, 'If you don't take her, you might be missing out on the next Michelle Obama. Don't make this mistake.' "

Seeking connections

"I think about how I can convince my peers about the value of education. . . . I have found that after all the teasing, these peers start to respect me . . . . I decided that I could be the one to uplift my peers . . . . My work is far reaching and never finished."

Khadijah expected to feel more connected after nearly two years at Jefferson, to make at least one good friend.

Students flock to the smart girl for help with homework and tests and class questions. She walks through campus tenderly waving and smiling and complimenting everyone she knows.

But when prom pictures arrive, they show her posing alone in a silky black and white dress. In her yearbook, hundreds of familiar faces look back, but the memories are missing.

"It's a nice, glossy, shiny, colorful yearbook," she said. "But it feels like they're all strangers. I'm nowhere in these pages."

In the last six months, she saw her mother only a few times and on Thursday tried to find her. Khadijah headed to a South-Central storage facility where they last stored their belongings.

She found Chantwuan sitting on a garbage bag full of clothes.

"Khadijah's here!" her sister Jeanine yells. Chantwuan's face lit up.

She explained the details of her graduation, the bus route to get there and gave her mother a prom picture. She said she would leave for summer school Friday.

There is no talk of coming home of for Thanksgiving or Christmas.

Proudly, Khadijah modeled her hunter green graduation cap and gown and practiced switching the tassel from right to left as she would during the ceremony.

"Look at you," her mother says. "You're really going to Harvard, huh?"

"Yeah," she says, pausing. "I'm going to Harvard."

esmeralda.bermudez

@latimes.com

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Jefferson High School student Khadijah Williams, 18, looks for friends to sign her yearbook. Williams has been homeless her whole life but through hard work and perseverance, she was accepted to Harvard University in the fall.
This makes me feel good. :TU:
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CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE THE HI DE HO CLUB IS?

I drove straight down Central Avenuie yesterday afternoon. It was hot and the glare off the windshield started to give me a headache. I went for my water bottle,but the when the water went down it was hot. I turned on the air conditioning.

Driving through Compton, it was block after block of auto repair shops,taco shops,thrift shops,and churches. Whether the name on the front was "Iglesia" or "Baptist","Tacos Varios" or "Fried Chicken",or "Escuela" or "School" ,it somehow all fit together. Wearing "red" or wearing "blue'. Speaking Spanish or English. This was South Central.

Learning the tricks of the trade on the street were a better way of surviving than learning about the 3 r's,at least for the moment. In the moment, if you're not aware, you won't see tomorrow.

What I was thinking about as I was driving were some of the night clubs that I had heard about in the 40's and 50's. The clubs that featured the great blues and jazz musicians. One of those clubs was called the Hi De Ho. I saw a picture of the building that was taken in the 70's. A small place on the corner that was then one of those evangelical churches. On the side of the building someone had written "Bird Lives."

I guess whoever wrote that knew that Charlie Parker and his quartet had once played a date there when it was the Hi De Ho Club. But that was a long time ago. I tried to figure out where that place might have been. I looked for churches,thrift shops,taco shops,anything that in my mind resembled that building from that photograph. I probably drove by it not noticing.

I knew the odds of recognizing the Hi De Ho or whatever it is now was remote. Besides with that glare from the sun bouncing off the windshield gave me an awfull headache.I just wanted to get out of there as fast as I could.
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kikibalt wrote:I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
Frank . . . You have been in boxing longer than I, so maybe you can help.
Tony Baltazar drops Howard Davis twice (once in two different rounds).
Now on the ten point must system, a fighter generally scores at min. of two points for a knockdown round.

Now I thought Tony had outscored Davis completely after ten rounds, but maybe I'm not as knowledable as judges.
However, I was pretty good at math. If Tony scored two-two point rounds, how is it on the scorecards of one of the judges, all Tony could muster was a total of tw points for the entire ten rounds?
I see four points for the knockdowns, even if Tony spent the rest of the fight sitting in his corner sipping a Corona?

t just occured to me, this sport of boxing maybe a little on the dishonest side? :oo


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dagosd2000 wrote:CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE THE HI DE HO CLUB IS?

I drove straight down Central Avenuie yesterday afternoon. It was hot and the glare off the windshield started to give me a headache. I went for my water bottle,but the when the water went down it was hot. I turned on the air conditioning.

Driving through Compton, it was block after block of auto repair shops,taco shops,thrift shops,and churches. Whether the name on the front was "Iglesia" or "Baptist","Tacos Varios" or "Fried Chicken",or "Escuela" or "School" ,it somehow all fit together. Wearing "red" or wearing "blue'. Speaking Spanish or English. This was South Central.

Learning the tricks of the trade on the street were a better way of surviving than learning about the 3 r's,at least for the moment. In the moment, if you're not aware, you won't see tomorrow.

What I was thinking about as I was driving were some of the night clubs that I had heard about in the 40's and 50's. The clubs that featured the great blues and jazz musicians. One of those clubs was called the Hi De Ho. I saw a picture of the building that was taken in the 70's. A small place on the corner that was then one of those evangelical churches. On the side of the building someone had written "Bird Lives."

I guess whoever wrote that knew that Charlie Parker and his quartet had once played a date there when it was the Hi De Ho Club. But that was a long time ago. I tried to figure out where that place might have been. I looked for churches,thrift shops,taco shops,anything that in my mind resembled that building from that photograph. I probably drove by it not noticing.

I knew the odds of recognizing the Hi De Ho or whatever it is now was remote. Besides with that glare from the sun bouncing off the windshield gave me an awfull headache.I just wanted to get out of there as fast as I could.
The quick exit is the best choice in that area. Nothing is anything like it might have been in what we may consider "The Good Old Days".
When the neighborhood went completely south, it left no footprints. As if it never existed.
In reality, there is no history beyond the attic of our minds.
Not in South-Central, a society with no culture, no past, no future. It has just been "there".

Speaking of Jazz & Blues, there is an area near Leimert Park, kind of in the area of Crenshaw Blvd.
Miles Davis would sometimes just show up at this club.
My big story is I missed him once by minutes. I just had to leave.
The impatience of youth cost me an experience what my friends still call a night to remember.


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Expug wrote:Happy Fathers Day to my Pals here on the thread.
Enjoy your families , eat some polo , some carne, and have a few cervezas.

Brian.
Happy Fathers Day to you too Brian and to all our friends here on this thread.
Randy :bow:
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scartissue wrote:
bennie wrote:
scartissue wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQdeQkYDABs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1AG4xD6It8

Guys, check this out. Parts 1 & 2 (they're short) of an interview with Alan Minter. Really good.

Scartissue

Thanks for posting, Scar. I have no audio on my computer but I can make out what Minter is saying, certainly about the Hagler fight, when he fought as if his brains were in his arse. It didn't help that the atmosphere in the crowd that night was poison. Vito Antuofermo was at ringside and when he was introduced before the fight, he was roundly jeered. That sums it up.
Bennie, the interview is well worth hearing. A point Minter brought up that really sums up the state of the game today is when asked if he still followed boxing. Minter said, "Not really, there's no interest. Years ago you could go to a fight show and bet on who was going to win. Today you can pick every single winner. There's no competition. And even though I get in for free (he probably gets comped so the promoter can introduce him before the main event) for what they're charging it's not worth it." This is a tremendous statement IMO on the state of the game, moreso on promoters and matchmakers who foist showcase cards geared to beef up a fighter's record rather than concentrate on the spectator who paid hard cash to see a fight.

Scartissue
That's right. 'Opponents' are so bad over here that even "house" fighters have to build them up before the fight. It's laughable hearing them try to convince the public they are fighting someone dangerous.
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:From Fight News: Klitschko (yawn, uh excuse me) TKOs Chagaev!
I'll sleep better tonight.

Randy :roll:
I watched the fight this afternoon, a bullshit fight between two bullshit fighters, you who didn't see the fight are better off... :witzend:
It should have been Klitschko-Haye but Setanta, the Britsh subscription sports channel screening the fight in this country, have gone bust and Haye would not have got paid.
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I know we have some Blues fans here on the thread.
I worked backstage security for Eric Claptons show last week.Steve Winwood played with him also.
The highlight of the evening was Buddy Guy hopping up onstage and playing with them.
Buddy is a blues legend here in Chicago. I had met him years ago at a great old Blues joint called 'The Checkerboard Lounge". My old buddy Herman Mills the trainer introduced he and I.The lounge was near the old Fuller Park Gym where I trained.I would sometimes drop Herman at the place after training. He liked to hang out there. Its gone now.Moved somewhere I dont know where. Some places cant be moved. It would be like closing the Olympic Auditorium and moving it to Malibu.Wouldnt work.
I wish Clapton would have played some of his older stuff at the show. I like his work with Cream etc.
Im not crazy about Claptons Blues.That version of 'Layla" in which he plays it real slow is like nails on a chalkboard also.The original is a great song.
I guess its like most things, the original version is the best version.
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I'll never forget the way Tony set-up Howard Davis in the 5th round for his hook, a straight jab to the stomach and a short hook to the jaw and Davis went down like a ton of bricks, BUT, the son of gun got up, not too many got up when Tony hit'em with a hook like that one. Lots of credit to Davis.... :bow:
Lots of credit to Davis for getting up yes, none to the judges.

Randy
The Wacko twins ruined Davis like they did Cooney. Davis had too many easy fights prior to his shot at WBC champ Jim Watt (way before Tony manhandled Davis) - compare his early career to that of Leonard's.
Then Mickey Duff half-won it for Watt before a punch was even thrown when he outbid The Wackos and got the fight to Ibrox in Glasgow (Watt's home city and the ground of Glasgow Rangers). Anyway, Davis, who had belittled Watt for a couple of years as "Jim Who", turned away at the post weigh-in staredown (I swear Watt would have made Liston turn away, the look of pure hatred on his face) and later walked to the ring in pink shorts and dressing gown. It was a long walk as the ring was right in the middle of the pitch and it was raining. Britain had changed under Maggie Thatcher by 1980 (when the fight took place). It was more dog eat dog, more of a selfish nation, and the crowd gave Davis a reception that still makes me shudder (the Hagler-Minter riot took place only a few months later in London).
Davis fought like the loneliest man in the world. He took a pasting.
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