Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:06
Jack Kent Cook, Ruben Olivares and Ricardo Montalban
Jack Kent Cook, Ruben Olivares and Ricardo Montalban
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Jack Kent Cook, Ruben Olivares and Ricardo Montalban
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:07
Cheers. Bad news about the walking and talking. Padilla lost the plot in the Canizales fight.kikibalt wrote:I haven't see Richie in years, last time I seen him he looked a little slow in walking and talking.bennie wrote:Frankie: just thinking about Duarte yesterday also got me thinking about the man he so nearly beat: Richie Sandoval.
How is Richie?
I'll probably see him at the Calif. hall of fame in June as his bother Superfly is to be inducted, if he is there I'll be sure to take some pics of both and post'em here
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:08
Sean O'Grady and father Pat
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:09
Cracking shot of Olivares. He destroyed our own Alan Rudkin in two rounds - and Rudkin could fight.kikibalt wrote:
Jack Kent Cook, Ruben Olivares and Ricardo Montalban
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:10
Azumah Nelson
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:12
The Bubblegum Kid. One of the more memorable boxing nicknames, although O'Grady and family were a bit of a nightmare.kikibalt wrote:
Sean O'Grady and father Pat
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:13
This guy was wasted on Don King.kikibalt wrote:
Azumah Nelson
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:16
Comment on that 'fight' by longtime Philly boxing guy:bennie wrote: Leonard was always a brilliantly-managed fighter. Muniz was too battle-worn to win, but he had enough left to teach Leonard a few things.
In the tank for Leonard. Good retirement payoff for the man and a good name on leonards record.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 13:31
Muniz NEVER went in the tank for anybody, its like Bennie says, Muniz was just shop-worn.granberry wrote:Comment on that 'fight' by longtime Philly boxing guy:bennie wrote: Leonard was always a brilliantly-managed fighter. Muniz was too battle-worn to win, but he had enough left to teach Leonard a few things.
In the tank for Leonard. Good retirement payoff for the man and a good name on leonards record.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 14:11
Ignore him, Frankie. They say the emptiest make the most noise.kikibalt wrote:Muniz NEVER went in the tank for anybody, its like Bennie says, Muniz was just shop-worn.granberry wrote:Comment on that 'fight' by longtime Philly boxing guy:bennie wrote: Leonard was always a brilliantly-managed fighter. Muniz was too battle-worn to win, but he had enough left to teach Leonard a few things.
In the tank for Leonard. Good retirement payoff for the man and a good name on leonards record.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 14:18
Bennie,bennie wrote:Ignore him, Frankie. They say the emptiest make the most noise.kikibalt wrote:Muniz NEVER went in the tank for anybody, its like Bennie says, Muniz was just shop-worn.granberry wrote: Comment on that 'fight' by longtime Philly boxing guy:
In the tank for Leonard. Good retirement payoff for the man and a good name on leonards record.
Yes, you're right.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 15:45
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 15:58
kikibalt wrote:Muniz NEVER went in the tank for anybody, its like Bennie says, Muniz was just shop-worn.granberry wrote:Comment on that 'fight' by longtime Philly boxing guy:bennie wrote: Leonard was always a brilliantly-managed fighter. Muniz was too battle-worn to win, but he had enough left to teach Leonard a few things.
In the tank for Leonard. Good retirement payoff for the man and a good name on leonards record.
Exactly so, Frank. I had a conversation about this with Muniz, just last year. A poster from the CBZ, who had done prison time, used to tell of all the "fixed fights" he learned about in the pen, from high ranking mob figures. With all respect to my long time friend, Muniz, at that stage of his career, they didn't have to pay him to lose to a Sugar Ray Leonard. He acknowledged that it was a good pay day, but that he was not at his best for the fight. A lot of it came from the fact his manager, Vic Weiss, had been the victim of a contract hit. I know exactly where the posters info comes from, and in this case, it isn't reliable.
-Rick Farris
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 16:16
Beer Time!!
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 16:59
Muniz quit in his corner with a "sore arm" against Leonard.
The same Muniz who fought Napoles, Palomino, etc etc.
The interview after the fight with ABC shill Chris Schenkel made it obvious.
When Schenkel tried to get Muniz to shill for Leonard, the smile came off Muniz' face, and he said that Napoles was the best he fought.
Then the smile returned to his face and he said, "If anybody else pays me, I'll fight again."
We all need money, but that was sad to see a real fighter like Muniz allow himself to be used as part of the promotion of Leonard.
The same Muniz who fought Napoles, Palomino, etc etc.
The interview after the fight with ABC shill Chris Schenkel made it obvious.
When Schenkel tried to get Muniz to shill for Leonard, the smile came off Muniz' face, and he said that Napoles was the best he fought.
Then the smile returned to his face and he said, "If anybody else pays me, I'll fight again."
We all need money, but that was sad to see a real fighter like Muniz allow himself to be used as part of the promotion of Leonard.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 19:46
And a nickname he absolutely loathed.bennie wrote:The Bubblegum Kid. One of the more memorable boxing nicknames, although O'Grady and family were a bit of a nightmare.kikibalt wrote:
Sean O'Grady and father Pat
I guess whether or not one is a "nightmare" depends on one's perspective. I have good memories of my association with the O'Gradys.
Re: Mando Muniz
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 20:54
Mando Muniz had too much pride to go into the tank
for anyone. In the bout with Ray Leonard, Mando
realized that he was a shell of his former self while
taking a beating. Yes, Mando quit in the bout with
Leonard, but notice that he retired for good after
that bout.
- Chuck Johnston
for anyone. In the bout with Ray Leonard, Mando
realized that he was a shell of his former self while
taking a beating. Yes, Mando quit in the bout with
Leonard, but notice that he retired for good after
that bout.
- Chuck Johnston
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 20:56
Armando Muniz . . .
I'll see Armando Muniz this weekend, at the WBHOF's "Women in Boxing" luncheon. He and I are to give the "Ten Count" for boxing personalities who died within the last year. I mentioned this thread to him at our last board meeting, and he said he'd check it out.
I'm pretty sure that Mando would accept my invitation to join us, as did "El Gato". Perhaps some of the posters with questions, regarding the Leonard fight, and others, would like to direct them directly to the former welterweight contender. Lot's of great history surrounds this L.A. legend.
A lot of these tales come from a poster on another thread, who boasts of his prison time spent with wiseguys, who let him in on the secrets. Some of his stories I know to be true, as does everybody else, however, his claim regarding Muniz-Leonard is false. It was well known that Mando's manager, Vic Weiss, was murdered in the late 70's. This adds to the intrigue of the story regarding the Leonard fight. All crap!
Anyway, let's see what Muniz has to say about it. Does this sound reasonable? I'll try to make it happen.
-Rick Farris
I'll see Armando Muniz this weekend, at the WBHOF's "Women in Boxing" luncheon. He and I are to give the "Ten Count" for boxing personalities who died within the last year. I mentioned this thread to him at our last board meeting, and he said he'd check it out.
I'm pretty sure that Mando would accept my invitation to join us, as did "El Gato". Perhaps some of the posters with questions, regarding the Leonard fight, and others, would like to direct them directly to the former welterweight contender. Lot's of great history surrounds this L.A. legend.
A lot of these tales come from a poster on another thread, who boasts of his prison time spent with wiseguys, who let him in on the secrets. Some of his stories I know to be true, as does everybody else, however, his claim regarding Muniz-Leonard is false. It was well known that Mando's manager, Vic Weiss, was murdered in the late 70's. This adds to the intrigue of the story regarding the Leonard fight. All crap!
Anyway, let's see what Muniz has to say about it. Does this sound reasonable? I'll try to make it happen.
-Rick Farris
Re: El Gato's fights
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 21:31
[quote="El Gato"]Dago---
What a small world that your wife is from Jiquilpan, also that you are from San Diego which is where I am (in North County).
When I fought in Jiquilpan for the first time I had just turned 15 years old and I remember my opponent was Miguel Lopez who was over 20, but that didn't bother me because my very first fight was against Javier Garcia who was 27 years old. I actually had 8 fights in Jiquilpan and won all of them by KO. It is nice to still be remembered by the local people there after so many years. I would love to go back for a visit sometime.
.
.Gato
Jiquilpan hasn't changed much in the 40 years I've been married to my wife. I'm still the only "gringo" in the town. I'm like their resident artist. I paint portraits of famous Mexican figures and my work is displayed at the Cultural Center and the Library next to the murals of Jose Orozco. They send my paintings to other libraries throughout Mexico for exhibitions. Also I have paintings at the Lazaro Cardenas Museum.(Jiquilpan is his home town) The next time I go to Jiquilpan this summer,I will paint a portrait of you and have it displayed at the Cultural Center. In the summer, my 12 year old granddaughter teaches "Flamenco" dancing at the Cultural Center. Let me know when you want to visit Jiquilpan and the surrounding area. I will have my nephew give you the key to our home.
I noticed you commented about Kid Irapuato. I wrote a story about him on the Forum called"Up And Down The Boulevard". I used to work at a school called CETYS in Tijuana coaching American football 20 years ago. The players told me he was a motorcycle cop. He'd go up and down the boulevard by the auditorium ,pulling over cars and getting"mordida" from the drivers. After a day of doing this,he'd go to the cantinas at night and spend it all. Asi es Mexico. DAGO
What a small world that your wife is from Jiquilpan, also that you are from San Diego which is where I am (in North County).
When I fought in Jiquilpan for the first time I had just turned 15 years old and I remember my opponent was Miguel Lopez who was over 20, but that didn't bother me because my very first fight was against Javier Garcia who was 27 years old. I actually had 8 fights in Jiquilpan and won all of them by KO. It is nice to still be remembered by the local people there after so many years. I would love to go back for a visit sometime.
.
.Gato
Jiquilpan hasn't changed much in the 40 years I've been married to my wife. I'm still the only "gringo" in the town. I'm like their resident artist. I paint portraits of famous Mexican figures and my work is displayed at the Cultural Center and the Library next to the murals of Jose Orozco. They send my paintings to other libraries throughout Mexico for exhibitions. Also I have paintings at the Lazaro Cardenas Museum.(Jiquilpan is his home town) The next time I go to Jiquilpan this summer,I will paint a portrait of you and have it displayed at the Cultural Center. In the summer, my 12 year old granddaughter teaches "Flamenco" dancing at the Cultural Center. Let me know when you want to visit Jiquilpan and the surrounding area. I will have my nephew give you the key to our home.
I noticed you commented about Kid Irapuato. I wrote a story about him on the Forum called"Up And Down The Boulevard". I used to work at a school called CETYS in Tijuana coaching American football 20 years ago. The players told me he was a motorcycle cop. He'd go up and down the boulevard by the auditorium ,pulling over cars and getting"mordida" from the drivers. After a day of doing this,he'd go to the cantinas at night and spend it all. Asi es Mexico. DAGO
Re: Mando Muniz
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 21:32
Hi ChuckChuck1052 wrote:Mando Muniz had too much pride to go into the tank
for anyone. In the bout with Ray Leonard, Mando
realized that he was a shell of his former self while
taking a beating. Yes, Mando quit in the bout with
Leonard, but notice that he retired for good after
that bout.
- Chuck Johnston
Not only did Mando had too much pride to go into the tank for any one, but he was/is also too honest of a man to do such a thing, I known Mando since the mid-1960's and I know what kind of a man he is.
I hate to see some pendejo insult him like this.
Frank
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 21:33
Mr. D, where the hell you been?
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 21:47
Hey Buddykikibalt wrote:Beer Time!!
There used to be a place on the corner of 4th and Revolucion called The Old Heidelburg. It was a German restaurant owned by German/Mexicans. Downstairs in the restaurant they served German food,but upstairs they had this open air patio that overlooked the city. They'd have a jazz quintet that played latin jazz. Timbales,conga drums,bongos. They had a vibraphone. A sax. A real easy sound. We'd go up there after getting a little help from the drugstore and drink "Bohemia" beer. On a summer night it was the most relaxing place in the world. About 30 years ago they tore it down and put in a department store for tourists.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 22:09
Dagos, you remember here in Chicago the old German neighborhood on North Lincoln ave.?
There was an old Heidelburg restaraunt there too.
Last I heard that area was gettin gentrified too.
Probably a Starbucks there now.
There was an old Heidelburg restaraunt there too.
Last I heard that area was gettin gentrified too.
Probably a Starbucks there now.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 22:12
when I drink Mexica beer, Bohemia is my beer of choice, good beer my friend.dagosd2000 wrote:Hey Buddykikibalt wrote:Beer Time!!
There used to be a place on the corner of 4th and Revolucion called The Old Heidelburg. It was a German restaurant owned by German/Mexicans. Downstairs in the restaurant they served German food,but upstairs they had this open air patio that overlooked the city. They'd have a jazz quintet that played latin jazz. Timbales,conga drums,bongos. They had a vibraphone. A sax. A real easy sound. We'd go up there after getting a little help from the drugstore and drink "Bohemia" beer. On a summer night it was the most relaxing place in the world. About 30 years ago they tore it down and put in a department store for tourists.
Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 23:35
Dagos,dagosd2000 wrote:Frankkikibalt wrote:Why was Art Aragon booed?
Art Aragon was boo because in a radio interview he said that he was not Mexican and back at the time he was fighting about 60% of the fans were Mexican Nationals, the other 40% were like me Mexican-American, we cheered Aragon, they booed him, and we would all pack the Olympic-Hollywood Legion Stadium to see him fight and he loved that since most of the time he fought for a piece of the gate, the Mexican Nationals never forgave him for beating Enrique Bolanos twice, that too was another reason for the booing by the Mex-Nat's.
I seen about 90% of Aragon's fights live starting in 1949 whe he fought Harold "Baby Face" Jones in Hollywood.
I don't think I miss any of his big fights in the 1950's, my wife and I were ringside for his last fight vs Alvaro Gutierrez (1-21-1960) at the Olympic.
In the last few years I would see him at functions we would attend, the last time I seen Art was at a Golden State Boxer's Association function on December 14, 2007, I had with me a copy of the Knockout magazine with a picture of him on the cover, I ask him to sign it for me, he takes the magazine and looks at the picture of himself and he tell me "I fought that guy"
Frank
You made a good point about the rivalry between Mexican/American fighters and Mexican nationals.Perhaps people in other regions of the country don't realize it's like night and day. Mando Ramos and Chango Carmona come to mind,and of course,Bobby Chacon and Ruben Olivares. Most recently it was the De La Hoya/Chavez fights. I know a lot of fans across the border seemed unusually bitter against Oscar for beating Chavez.
I was in Mexico when Oscar won the Olympic Gold Medal. It was reported almost as an afterthought. I remember something said like "Oscar De La Hoya,the AMERICAN,won an Olympic Gold Medal."
I truly believe the Chicanos/Mexican Americans like yourself are a unique section of Mexican history. Yes,I mean Mexican history. I say that because working in the South Bay area of San Diego,the kids often have conflicted feelings about their identity. When I worked across the border in Tijuana coaching American Football at a private school,the Mexican kids and families had contempt for Chicanos. They considered them Americans. California and Texas were once a part of Mexico. They knew that,but wouldn't cut them any slack. There was a kid that played on that team in Tijuana who was an outstanding player. When I went back to coaching in San Diego,he called me about playing on my team in San Diego. He knew he needed the right exposure playing up here if was going to get a scholarship to a Division I school. Well we got the kid up to San Diego on a "Foreign Exange" program(can you believe that? A foreign sxchange student from Tijuana). He told me ,"Don't put me in a home with a Chicano family."
Well he lived with a Anglo dentist. The kid made all county. He wound up going to the University of Arizona on a full ride. While he was going to school in San Diego he never made friends with any of the Chicano kids.
All the years I've worked in the South Bay with the Chicano kids, they've never expressed hardly any animosity towards Mexican Nationals. I tell them not to worry about it. Just think of all the Mexican Nationals who risk getting smuggled to come here. I know those Chicano kids are Mexicans because they understand"Asi es Mexico".
Look at this.
FBI probing deadly prison riot between Chicanos & Mexicans
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 03/28/2008
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/ ... 847ec.html
A riot at a federal penitentiary in Three Rivers this morning has left one prisoner dead and 22 others injured.
San Antonio hospitals were treating the injured while federal prison officials said in a news release that they had gotten control of the situation, which broke out about 7 a.m.
. . .
Some criminal intelligence sources said they believe the riot might have been between Mexican-American inmates who consider themselves Chicanos and inmates who have closer ties to Mexico. A similar type of faceoff occurred last week at a Houston jail that houses federal pre-trial inmates.
. . .