Abraham vs Taylor, Froch vs Dirrell RBR + Free stream thread

[dondada]

Dunne vs Kratindaeyggym now on

You mean Poonsawat

Certainly went out on his shield. Sounded like Dave Boy McAuley as the colour commentator - missed two heavy knockdown punches - didn't even see them.

Dunne can come again - big heart.

[ashedward]

Abraham is a good fighter but i pick froch to beat him,Abrahams workrate is poor imo.

[mossy141]

could someone plz pm me a link....thanks

[Carbo]

Abraham looked his usual self, compact, defensively sound, and when he swung, he usually swung for the bleachers, as our American cousins say.

I do wish he didn't swing like that with the wide punches, because in the fights I've seen, most of his power comes from his orthodoxy -- short, 'correct' punches, as I think this KO showed.

Obviously, a relatively impressive performance, because it all looked pretty routine for Abraham, where Taylor gave Froch serious problems; however, looking at that, I think I'd fancy Kessler against Abraham. Kessler will be far stronger and more robust than Taylor and I think that extra, plus Kessler's own punch picking, jackhammer right, and powerful jab will give Abraham serious problems.

That said, I really don't like Froch's chances in this tournament full stop. I think he might squeak past Dirrell, but I see him getting knocked out against Abraham and Kessler. His chin is simply too easy to find, and these guys bang.

its funny i always think Abrahams is very beatable with his wide punches and low workrate. I think the SM division suits him and in many ways his strange style seems to give fighters nightmares. That high guard style looks so amateurishis but very hard to break through. He is of course as hard AS NAILS which helps.

I don't think there's anything amateurish about his guard at all. It's very Michael Watson-Winky Wright-Cus D'Amato. It's a classic pick-a-boo with an eastern European slant. He's compact and difficult to break down. He might be vulnerable around the corner below the elbows, but he's adept at leaning forward to bring his elbows down to cover that. In fact, I wish Froch could just hold his right like that when he's not throwing it.

Meantime, the wide punches would be fine when he has someone hurt, or, like at the end against Taylor, when he has someone weakening. But I think his real power comes when he throws his short, compact, correctly thrown right cross. That's a beaut of a shot and I guarantee right now it'll put down Froch.

I just think that Abraham might struggle against an opponent who's robust or defensively astute enough not to get badly hurt and throws more punches than Taylor. To me, Kessler ticks some of the boxes on the list of attributes you'd want for a fighter to beat Abraham. Obviously, the way he was sickened for a time from the Calzaghe body shot in the late-mid rounds is concerning, but I think his rangy, ramrod straight shots will give Abraham trouble, and that natural, larger size and higher workrate might be a decider.

Let's not forget that Abraham has fought good opposition but not stellar. Even Taylor tonight seemed out of it after the half way mark. He looked really fragile toward the end and to me seemed to be just trying to survive. Certainly, he offered nothing at any point to suggest he could beat Abraham. Nothing at all. Is there anyone here who thought at any point in that fight that Taylor could do it? Not me. Even the rounds in which he was competitive and in the rounds he won it seemed to me that he was more concerned that Abraham.

We'll see. I just hope Carl wins this fight against Dirrell. If he scores a KO, there's a chance he'll go to the semis even if he loses to Abraham and Kessler.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Has Taylor gone to poop, or is this a bad sign for froch's super 6 chnces as he got largely skilled by JT? Hypothetical. I know you wanna keep it to scoring. As do I. Stuck in a Berlin internet cafe.

taylor is finished mentally - he just doesnt have it, he didnt even try to win, i really hope they pull him out of this tournament.

James I think your giving AA a bit of a disservice. I think he hurt Taylor early.... the jab in the opener made him sit back and take notice.

if he is so easily discouraged then he should retire

[alexpaterson]

Dunne boxed well the 1st 2 rounds but got caught cold shame I like Dunne he's got heaps of heart

[opticald]

Abraham would be a nightmare for Calzaghe imo. Calzaghe had trouble with Bika who was rough. Abraham has a good defense and when he opens up, he opens up. I could see him doing some damage to Calzaghe. Calzaghe would be throwing so many slaps though so it would be hard to score the rounds. It's the kind of style that could either do very well against Calzaghe or lose 12-0. I think Abraham would KO Calzaghe.

[alexpaterson]

I like Primetime good commontray good punditry and good action

So far so good hope it keep's going

[stujones]

The most random bit of filler on UK TV history. Bugner vs "some American" (and thats a quote from Jim).

[jtourettes]

The most random bit of filler on UK TV history. Bugner vs "some American" (and thats a quote from Jim).

[crusader]

My scorecard was:
10-9 JT
10-9 JT
10-9 AA
10-9 JT
10-9 AA
10-8 AA
10-9 AA
10-9 AA
10-9 AA
10-9 AA
10-9 AA

107-101 AA, with him winning everything after the fourth. I know some of the rounds were close and could have gone either way though such as the 5th and I believe either the 10th or 11th

[youngrell]

Abraham would be a nightmare for Calzaghe imo. Calzaghe had trouble with Bika who was rough. Abraham has a good defense and when he opens up, he opens up. I could see him doing some damage to Calzaghe. Calzaghe would be throwing so many slaps though so it would be hard to score the rounds. It's the kind of style that could either do very well against Calzaghe or lose 12-0. I think Abraham would KO Calzaghe.

I disagree, Abraham doesn't throw many counters and Joe doesn't stop throwing. Joe wouldn't put a dent in him but Abraham would probably only get off about 3-4 punches a round because he'd just be blocking the whole time.

Back to tonight, why don't they just show the undercard in Nottingham, why am I watching old fights with Bugner?

[alexpaterson]

I've got a question

What happens if a fighter doesnt make the weight?

[Autobarn]

while it's only natural to think so and so can do this to beat abraham, i do think that AA has that ring generalship, where he knows what he's doing, takes his time and eventually applies himself. seems to do it his own stubborn way. glad that he's done it vs an american style, as this will help in potential fights with ward and dirrell. AA could get very, very good - it's only his 2nd world class fight at this weight.

another thing: if someone does manange to seriously outbox him, it's clear that AA can end it at any moment, as seen in the last few seconds.

[Asterix]

Back to tonight, why don't they just show the undercard in Nottingham, why am I watching old fights with Bugner?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Autobarn]

Abraham would be a nightmare for Calzaghe imo. Calzaghe had trouble with Bika who was rough. Abraham has a good defense and when he opens up, he opens up. I could see him doing some damage to Calzaghe. Calzaghe would be throwing so many slaps though so it would be hard to score the rounds. It's the kind of style that could either do very well against Calzaghe or lose 12-0. I think Abraham would KO Calzaghe.

I disagree, Abraham doesn't throw many counters and Joe doesn't stop throwing. Joe wouldn't put a dent in him but Abraham would probably only get off about 3-4 punches a round because he'd just be blocking the whole time.

Back to tonight, why don't they just show the undercard in Nottingham, why am I watching old fights with Bugner?

it's hard to know, really. if someone gets in AA's face, then he's going to catch them coming in. and as fluid as the opponent is, thye will get frustrated hitting the gloves. i personally would wait til abraham wins a super middleweight title.

[iwz678]

I cant believe this old fight is on, I'm 17 years old, I only take interest in fighters around in the 2000's and this is just bollocks.

Marcus Portman v Tyan Booth could be a really good bout for the English light middle, why dont they show it?

Primetime's coverage is good coz Buncey and Rosenthal know what they are talking about. But I expect many complaints e mails tomorrow.

Thaxton doing the commentary should be interesting.

[Asterix]

while it's only natural to think so and so can do this to beat abraham, i do think that AA has that ring generalship, where he knows what he's doing, takes his time and eventually applies himself. seems to do it his own stubborn way. glad that he's done it vs an american style, as this will help in potential fights with ward and dirrell. AA could get very, very good - it's only his 2nd world class fight at this weight.

another thing: if someone does manange to seriously outbox him, it's clear that AA can end it at any moment, as seen in the last few seconds.

I think Abraham could have gone up a gear.

[alexpaterson]

Frcoh complamenting Calzaghe Whats the world coming to

[ALI]

107-100 Abraham

Are you on Suerlands payroll?

[Asterix]

Frcoh complamenting Calzaghe Whats the world coming to

He knows there's no chance of a fight now. No point in continuing the trash talk. Besides, Froch has other things on his mind now. The aggression is reserved for the fight.

[Carbo]

while it's only natural to think so and so can do this to beat abraham, i do think that AA has that ring generalship, where he knows what he's doing, takes his time and eventually applies himself. seems to do it his own stubborn way. glad that he's done it vs an american style, as this will help in potential fights with ward and dirrell. AA could get very, very good - it's only his 2nd world class fight at this weight.

another thing: if someone does manange to seriously outbox him, it's clear that AA can end it at any moment, as seen in the last few seconds.

Clearly, there's not a single fighter under between 160 and 175 who has an comfortable night with Abraham.

[jtourettes]

I cant believe this old fight is on, I'm 17 years old, I only take interest in fighters around in the 2000's and this is just bollocks.

Marcus Portman v Tyan Booth could be a really good bout for the English light middle, why dont they show it?

Primetime's coverage is good coz Buncey and Rosenthal know what they are talking about. But I expect many complaints e mails tomorrow.

Thaxton doing the commentary should be interesting.

While I agree with your point re: the undercard, you're really limiting yourself with that outlook

[alexpaterson]

107-100 Abraham

Are you on Suerlands payroll?

Nope just thought Abraham was landing the cleaner more affective blows

What did you have it?

[alexpaterson]

Why dont they show whole fights instead of Bugner why not all the Pascal fight?