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carlbcfc wrote:Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

Russ L wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:
Personally I'd rather witness an inconsistently scored fight than get thrown off a balcony.

I'm sure we all agree that a round in which you get thrown off a balcony has to be a 10-8 at least.

bennie wrote:but 'fans' had been allowed to congregate at the back of the hall.

Loynesy wrote:The fact that many of the posts describing the scumbags have used football collective nouns to describe them, is indicative.

Adamj1987 wrote: nor the blackpool fans singing seasiders

orbtastic wrote:Crowd trouble also hindered Watson's egress from the ring in his last fight.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Russ L wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:
Personally I'd rather witness an inconsistently scored fight than get thrown off a balcony.

I'm sure we all agree that a round in which you get thrown off a balcony has to be a 10-8 at least.

:bow: russ

bennie wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

bennie wrote:It's the way these people go on the attack when a fighter is down which pisses me off. The Mexicans did it when Johnny Owen was down in 1980 and we vilified them and assured everyone that it could never happen here. Then came Eubank-Watson II, and the scenes as James Murray lay dying on the canvas 15 years ago in Glasgow still make me feel sick.

Yes, the Murray situation was despicable. Didn't the crowd violence actually impede Murray's exit from the venue and thus delay his arrival at hospital? How crucial that was will never be known, but what utterly appalling excuses for the species.

In October 1995, James Murray died in an inspired challenge for the British bantamweight title against fellow Scot Drew Docherty.
Southpaw Murray was two minutes away from the Lonsdale Belt when he collapsed from an innocuous left jab in the 12th round, sparking surely the most sickening scenes in the entire history of British boxing as drunken fans clashed and tore apart the banqueting hall at Glasgow's Hospitality Inn while Murray’s life, in front of desperate family members, ebbed away. The level of violence was such that medics were forced to cart the stricken fighter from the hall rather than apply vital oxygen. It was Johnny Owen all over again, only this time it was Johnny Owen at home.
Nobody even tried to defend boxing in the aftermath. Co-promoter F rank Warren said: "I don't believe I could look the Murray family in the eyes and tell them there's nothing wrong with boxing." Alex Morrison said of the rioters: "They were not Jimmy's fans, they were not Docherty’s fans, they were scum."
The Board quickly ordered earlier weigh-ins because weight loss was undoubtedly a factor in Murray’s death, from a massive blood clot on the brain. To give a sense of the fight’s course is almost insulting, but Docherty, who had been down three times, outlasted Murray in the smoky, stifling, overcrowded atmosphere at what was strictly speaking a dinner show, but 'fans' had been allowed to congregate at the back of the hall.
The 25-year-old Murray, the reigning Scottish bantamweight champion, forever the Scottish champion, hailed from Newmains in Lanarkshire, a town blighted by unemployment and drug abuse, but he held down a job and treated his family with gifts from his boxing purses. His father, Kenneth, told Harry Mullan a few days after the tragedy: "Jim Murray did not die with a needle in his arm. He did not die up some back alley. He will always be remembered."

whicker wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote: nor the blackpool fans singing seasiders

Who had they come to support?

Loynesy wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

Er no they don't.

Some football thugs follow boxing. Plenty of fighters like football. Many football fans who are not thugs like boxing. Plenty of boxing fans couldn't give two hoots about football. All true statements.

Your statement though, was, with the greatest of respect, witlessly simplistic.

Regards

Loynesy

carlbcfc wrote:

Loynesy wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

Er no they don't.

Some football thugs follow boxing. Plenty of fighters like football. Many football fans who are not thugs like boxing. Plenty of boxing fans couldn't give two hoots about football. All true statements.

Your statement though, was, with the greatest of respect, witlessly simplistic.

Regards

Loynesy

I bet if you polled a boxing audience, the majority would support a football club. It is the same target audience, young men, who spend money on fights/games. If football fans stopped going to boxing, boxing would die, end of!

Josh1111 wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:

Loynesy wrote: Er no they don't.

Some football thugs follow boxing. Plenty of fighters like football. Many football fans who are not thugs like boxing. Plenty of boxing fans couldn't give two hoots about football. All true statements.

Your statement though, was, with the greatest of respect, witlessly simplistic.

Regards

Loynesy

I bet if you polled a boxing audience, the majority would support a football club. It is the same target audience, young men, who spend money on fights/games. If football fans stopped going to boxing, boxing would die, end of!

Just because football fans go to watch boxing doesn't mean there is a link between the two. Most men love football and most men love boxing, its a no brainer.

Years ago at Hatton, you used to have city, united and liverpool fans all sat together at the MEN and all sing blue moon (Hatton's entrance song and city's main anthem) together, but you never had liverpool singing never walk alone or united singing their songs.

Football rivalries were generally left out side and everybody enjoyed boxing.

BCFC fans chanted birmingham songs all night, the group getting increasingly bigger as the night went on.

A bit of banter with the welsh fans early on was good light hearted fun but in the end they went way to far.

Josh1111 wrote:

carlbcfc wrote:Boxing & footy go hand in hand.

No they dont

jonp wrote:No way did you have United fans singing blue moon

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

bennie wrote:

oliverfennell wrote: Yes, the Murray situation was despicable. Didn't the crowd violence actually impede Murray's exit from the venue and thus delay his arrival at hospital? How crucial that was will never be known, but what utterly appalling excuses for the species.

In October 1995, James Murray died in an inspired challenge for the British bantamweight title against fellow Scot Drew Docherty.
Southpaw Murray was two minutes away from the Lonsdale Belt when he collapsed from an innocuous left jab in the 12th round, sparking surely the most sickening scenes in the entire history of British boxing as drunken fans clashed and tore apart the banqueting hall at Glasgow's Hospitality Inn while Murray’s life, in front of desperate family members, ebbed away. The level of violence was such that medics were forced to cart the stricken fighter from the hall rather than apply vital oxygen. It was Johnny Owen all over again, only this time it was Johnny Owen at home.
Nobody even tried to defend boxing in the aftermath. Co-promoter F rank Warren said: "I don't believe I could look the Murray family in the eyes and tell them there's nothing wrong with boxing." Alex Morrison said of the rioters: "They were not Jimmy's fans, they were not Docherty’s fans, they were scum."
The Board quickly ordered earlier weigh-ins because weight loss was undoubtedly a factor in Murray’s death, from a massive blood clot on the brain. To give a sense of the fight’s course is almost insulting, but Docherty, who had been down three times, outlasted Murray in the smoky, stifling, overcrowded atmosphere at what was strictly speaking a dinner show, but 'fans' had been allowed to congregate at the back of the hall.
The 25-year-old Murray, the reigning Scottish bantamweight champion, forever the Scottish champion, hailed from Newmains in Lanarkshire, a town blighted by unemployment and drug abuse, but he held down a job and treated his family with gifts from his boxing purses. His father, Kenneth, told Harry Mullan a few days after the tragedy: "Jim Murray did not die with a needle in his arm. He did not die up some back alley. He will always be remembered."

My mate Francis Jones legs dipped after an inspired assault on the Lonsdale Belt 3 years ago this month, in Scotland, in the 12th round versus Kevin Anderson. The problem was Anderson was a banger but Jones has more heart than anybody I've ever met. He suffered a brain haemmorrage afterwards that went undetected for a few weeks. He was stopped, on his feet, protesting, having not been down in the fight. He rocked Anderson momentarily in round 10 in what was a ferocious scrap but subsequently lost hs footing only for the ref to give him a count. Who knows what would have kicked off had he won it. He stopped another Scot, Craig Dickson, n the last round in Scotland a year earlier and that caused about 10 of Dicko's mates to start having a go in mine and my girlfriend's general direction. Nob heads.

Reading that excellent piece you have done saddens me, sickens me and sends a shiver down my spine.There but for the grace of God. James Murray sounded like an excellent young man, his Dad is right. It is tragic. On a side note, boxing ANY number of rounds before the smoking ban, on a raised ring platform so the athletes are fighting away in clouds of smoke, nomally after 2 hours of dinner and talking has always disgusted me with its blatant stupidity and total lack of respect for boxers ad regard for their health.

Josh1111 wrote:

jonp wrote:No way did you have United fans singing blue moon

You never been to a Hatton fight then?

Plus, happens alot when ever oasis play it at their gigs, not just in boxing

carlbcfc wrote: I bet if you polled a boxing audience, the majority would support a football club. It is the same target audience, young men, who spend money on fights/games. If football fans stopped going to boxing, boxing would die, end of!

jonp wrote:

Josh1111 wrote:

jonp wrote:No way did you have United fans singing blue moon

You never been to a Hatton fight then?

Plus, happens alot when ever oasis play it at their gigs, not just in boxing

Been to quite a few ,just find it hard to beleive that a footy team will sing there most hated rivals anthem,mind you most united fans ent from manchester so it could happen.
Do a poll on here ask how many man u fans would sing it i bet none of em would admit it

Josh1111 wrote:

jonp wrote:

Josh1111 wrote:
You never been to a Hatton fight then?

Plus, happens alot when ever oasis play it at their gigs, not just in boxing

Been to quite a few ,just find it hard to beleive that a footy team will sing there most hated rivals anthem,mind you most united fans ent from manchester so it could happen.
Do a poll on here ask how many man u fans would sing it i bet none of em would admit it

admitting it and doing it are different things. Ask me if i've ever shagged a fatty and i'll answer no, when really i have, just the once mind :OhYes:

DavidPayne wrote:

Josh1111 wrote:

jonp wrote: Been to quite a few ,just find it hard to beleive that a footy team will sing there most hated rivals anthem,mind you most united fans ent from manchester so it could happen.
Do a poll on here ask how many man u fans would sing it i bet none of em would admit it

admitting it and doing it are different things. Ask me if i've ever shagged a fatty and i'll answer no, when really i have, just the once mind

....it wasn't the first time she'd shagged a munter though.

jonp wrote:

Josh1111 wrote:

jonp wrote:No way did you have United fans singing blue moon

You never been to a Hatton fight then?

Plus, happens alot when ever oasis play it at their gigs, not just in boxing

Been to quite a few ,just find it hard to beleive that a footy team will sing there most hated rivals anthem,mind you most united fans ent from manchester so it could happen.
Do a poll on here ask how many man u fans would sing it i bet none of em would admit it

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

carlbcfc wrote: I bet if you polled a boxing audience, the majority would support a football club. It is the same target audience, young men, who spend money on fights/games. If football fans stopped going to boxing, boxing would die, end of!

Carl, what an insane argument!

Boxing in Canada, North America, Mexico and the Philippines and Japan are not linked to football (soccer) in any way, shape or form, most boxing in Europe isn't linked to soccer - ever seen a German boxer wearing club colours? And how many times do you see a British fighter wearing a club's colours to make your argument stand up? Rarely!

In Argentina - lots of boxers show their allegiance to their favourite club but that is just one football mad country which put's this country and their love of football in the shade.

carlbcfc wrote:I bet if you polled a boxing audience, the majority would support a football club. It is the same target audience, young men, who spend money on fights/games. If football fans stopped going to boxing, boxing would die, end of!