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thunderfromdownunder wrote:i will agree that bringing jones down here was good for boxing, the fight got a load of coverage in all the papers, tv and so on.
as for revisionism, i dont think so, if people were picking jones i think that says more about thie opinions on green than it does about jones, and i guess people overseas mainly remember green as the guy who got outboxed by mundine and beyer.

my whole point here is there is and has always been double standard regarding green and mundine (and im no mundine fan) when mundine beats some scrub we here "he's only fighting bums" ect ect, when green KO's some bum its all "no one can give him a good fight" or "everybodys ducking him" which is total bullshit, everybody here knows if green and hyder wanted better guys than briggs and siaca they could have got them.
think of it this way...if it were mundine who beat someone like jones, he would have gotten absoloutley no credit from anyone, its true

Marlin wrote:But he would never fight someone like Jones... Even Green's poor opposition is better than Mundine's.

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oliverfennell wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote: he may not have been the most entertaining fighter ever born . But i feel his is a bit underrated. He consistently faced tough competition, and managed to win a few as well. I mean if it was that easy to win a portion of the heavyweight title everyone would

Agreed. The WBA means a lot less now, but because of its self-inflicted super/ordinary/interim world title situation. During Ruiz's reigns, it meant a lot more, and also when Green won his WBA belt it meant a lot more than his IBO one does now.[/quote it's funny that you say that because when Green won the WBA belt, the best fighter in the division, was Tarver who only held the IBO belt, and the reason Green got the IBO cruiserweight title, is because the light heavy weight IBO champ at that time, was Chad Dawson, so if him or Jones had of fought him before they fought each other, they would ran the risk of loseing, and risked loseing the big payday against each other, so the fighters make the titles. It doesnt matter what title it is, it's what fighter has it, and what fighter is the best in the division, and that's open for debate who that might be.

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oliverfennell wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:i will agree that bringing jones down here was good for boxing, the fight got a load of coverage in all the papers, tv and so on.
as for revisionism, i dont think so, if people were picking jones i think that says more about thie opinions on green than it does about jones, and i guess people overseas mainly remember green as the guy who got outboxed by mundine and beyer.

my whole point here is there is and has always been double standard regarding green and mundine (and im no mundine fan) when mundine beats some scrub we here "he's only fighting bums" ect ect, when green KO's some bum its all "no one can give him a good fight" or "everybodys ducking him" which is total bullshit, everybody here knows if green and hyder wanted better guys than briggs and siaca they could have got them.
think of it this way...if it were mundine who beat someone like jones, he would have gotten absoloutley no credit from anyone, its true

You're spot on about the double standards re. if Mundine had beaten Jones, and probably right that they could have gotten better oppo than Siaca in particular (the Briggs fight, while a disaster, at least made sense commercially. A bit of an Aussie Haye v Harrison).

But...

Marlin wrote:But he would never fight someone like Jones... Even Green's poor opposition is better than Mundine's.

This is also very true. Even Green's worst opponents, I'd heard of them. Mundine's were often a mystery.

There is a certain amount of double standards in assessments of Green and Mundine, but speculating about what the perception of Mundine results would be vs world class fighters is utterly irrelevant. In the past few years he has been offered world title shots, big-money fights etc, but turned them down for no fathomable reason.

amwsnw wrote:Well Ive got my tickets to tarver v Green. Myself, Laceemup and my cousin will be heading over.
Marlin, we should organise a pre fight drink or two at a near by (walking distance) pub....

Marlin wrote:What extra do you get with "VIP" tickets? Is it just the positioning?

Marlin wrote:What extra do you get with "VIP" tickets? Is it just the positioning?