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TrainInsane wrote:

Stinger wrote:So I just watched on the morning news that Anthony Mundine plans to sit down and turn his back during the national anthem as a protest to all the things that whites have done to aboriginals. Disgusting.

I think you will find Mundine has had the national anthem played at his previous fights and never complained about it. He will stop at nothing trying to draw attention to himself. He knows no decency boundaries.

That's how I feel, if he was Asian, middle eastern or whatever then I would have a problem with it. Aboriginals have ligitimate reasons to be upset. No one else does

Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again? LOLLLLLLLLLL

Brute wrote:

Zerwas wrote:So its Geale's promotion and Mundine himself!?

In Germany, we have Sauerland, who has a deal with TV station ZDF, and they of course have an interest in keeping their champions...so its pretty obvious that they make it very tough for the non Sauerland fighters....just the same as Martinez and Top Rank last week!?

Is there anythig like this in Australia!?

BTW, Green Cameron was very controversial with the weigh ins demanded by Green!

What are you talking about? The fight was for a cruiserweight title so both fighters had to be 200 pounds or less.

Green made Cameron come in at 195 another Dannyweight fight.

Cameron would have been over 200 by the time of the fight. Sounds like a fantasy.

Contract weight was 195 pounds. Regardless of what weight he walked into the ring at, the fact is he had to meet the stipulated catchweight the day before the fight, certainly taking a toll on the natural heavyweight. Having said that, I don't think it made any difference to the outcome. Danny was always going to be the better fighter on the night.

There was also a Second weigh in (Cameron wasnt allowed to Tell the Details)

That's your story. if Cameron could not tell, how does somebody half way around the world know about it?

Boxing is full of rumours.

Hounddawg wrote:Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again? LOLLLLLLLLLL

Mate you have just shown your true red neck colours by this comment.

Watching Kessler Mundine on main event. Mundine is in it early but by round 8 he's is two or three behind but still it is a closer fight than I remember. Kessler too big and strong. Geese his trash attitude is grating on me even this early in his career. No doubt he is world class. He really stepped up in this one.

Fu'k one judge had it 120 - 108. Ya got to wonder

Mark pawsey wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again? LOLLLLLLLLLL

Mate you have just shown your true red neck colours by this comment.

What was untrue that was said? Also it's ironic that Mundine has more european blood in him than aboriginal.

If Mundine wins and Soliman beats Sturm, Would anyone want to watch Mundine Vs Soliman 4?.

Grant wrote:Watching Kessler Mundine on main event. Mundine is in it early but by round 8 he's is two or three behind but still it is a closer fight than I remember. Kessler too big and strong. Geese his trash attitude is grating on me even this early in his career. No doubt he is world class. He really stepped up in this one.

That's one thing that always stuck out to me in that fight, Kessler was noticeably larger than Mundine

p4p1 wrote:

Mark pawsey wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again? LOLLLLLLLLLL

Mate you have just shown your true red neck colours by this comment.

What was untrue that was said? Also it's ironic that Mundine has more european blood in him than aboriginal.

a few things that were untrue are:

"50 years ago" - there have been more recent cases of mistreatment of indigenous peoples than 50 years (Palm Island)
"They have claimed their land back" - incorrect, there has been the recognition of "native title" which allows indigenous peole to have access to native title land, but rarely has there been land given to Indigenous Australians in freehold.

And your comment regarding "they" get higher pay for begging for $1 is very racist and ignorant. Many indigenous australians work, earn income and contrubute to their communities soi to make a general comment like that based on race alone is stupid. White people beg for money in the street too.

This thread should get interesting....

dan h wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

Mark pawsey wrote: Mate you have just shown your true red neck colours by this comment.

What was untrue that was said? Also it's ironic that Mundine has more european blood in him than aboriginal.

a few things that were untrue are:

"50 years ago" - there have been more recent cases of mistreatment of indigenous peoples than 50 years (Palm Island)
"They have claimed their land back" - incorrect, there has been the recognition of "native title" which allows indigenous peole to have access to native title land, but rarely has there been land given to Indigenous Australians in freehold.

And your comment regarding "they" get higher pay for begging for $1 is very racist and ignorant. Many indigenous australians work, earn income and contrubute to their communities soi to make a general comment like that based on race alone is stupid. White people beg for money in the street too.

OK. on a second reading some of the comments where too far, However I grew up with aboriginals, some of my best friends growing up where and it also seemed to me they were their own worst enemy. A lot of the ones I know that have succeeded in life have more or less cut off their family as they feel they get dragged down by them. It's a vicious circle growing up for a lot of aboriginals as their parents don't push them to do better at all in school or work which is sad because parents should be the biggest (and a positive one.) influence in your life. There does need to be better education for aboriginals (how to handle finance and bills etc.) but they have to want to take advantage of it. For me aboriginals begging for money sticks out more than white people doing it because if you say no to a white person begging you don't get call a racist white pudendum and I think it would be the same for a lot of people who have been in the same situation. Aboriginals are faced with some serious problems that they do need help with, however it is time to stop blaming all white people, why should I be sorry or have to pay for something I have never done regardless of my race wouldn't that be racist in itself? There is double standards everywhere in australia and they do not always favour aboriginals either, most employers would employ a non aboriginal over and aboriginal if the qualifications where the same, which sometimes makes it understandable that they may get some extra government support. Though I still think they as a community need to change the public perception of themselves and maybe even their own perception of themselves.

I think they as individuals need to want to better themselves but I don't know how it happens if you aren't receiving support and guidance in your home life. They need more good role models and though what Mundine does privately is great role model behaviour his public image takes most of that away because that is what young kids growing up see what he does publicly and think that behaviour is ok.

We went way off topic here but anyway. I think what I am trying to get across is I wish that some aboriginal people would try and better themselves and their situations in life and while doing this had support from their families rather than being dragged down by them and stop helping fuel the us against you mentality in Australia.

Would have thought the last thing that would raise its ugly head in a fight between 2 indigenous people from the same country would be racism. Enter Choc Mundine and his complete lack of diplomacy.

Hounddawg wrote:Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again? LOLLLLLLLLLL

That is a very ignorant comment. How many aboriginal people do you know personally? For the record Mundines mum is part aboriginal.

Look I think people tend to read things wrong. Dan H, research they get paid a lot more and is seen as encouragement to sit on your ass by aboriginal elders. Mate when you go to the rock,Mcdougall ranges and other landmarks of Australia let me know. 50 years and more, read a book by Sally Morgan "my life" it's a great read, and I believe very accurate on aboriginal and British settlement. 50 years have passed since the stolen generation, and its not racist, when will the younger generation stop using it as an excuse. Dan do you get out much? Valley,Woodbridge, Darwin been to any of these places mate? It's begger central.

Dj , mate I don't know why I need to answer this, my kid sister is black, my 2 brother in laws are Black 1 being the part of the largest aboriginal family in woodridge, and yes he works and earns fantastic coin, my godfather and godmother are aboriginal, having a factual opinion doesn't make you a racist, and i don't believe I ever used the words " all" " the race as a whole" or any other remarks that indicated that I said all were. My point is, check the statistics, its pretty cut and dry. And I have plenty of friends who are aboriginal and they share my opinion. Throw in sister in law as well, and half the Wacol prison system. Mate stop babying and sugar coating the problem, and yes I'm well aware of the white,African, asian and any other race, so save a pointless retort,the point is I'm sick of Mundines white devil shit, I'm sure his mother suffers silently. I feel for her, a son ashamed of his own mother. Mundine if you want to be a leader for your race, take a leaf out of one of the true leaders, Tupac Dear....

What about you boys, how many do you know, more importantly, can say you really know? Answer please, you just called me a fucken racist.

I lived in Kingston and Woodbridge as a chil then moved to gympie. The majority of my childhood friends were indigenous. I played rugby league for 16 years and have many indigenous friends from sport. My first serious relationship was with a indigenous girl. I don't feel the need to tell you that but you asked. I don't think have indigenous friends makes you immune from making racist comments.

My point about getting paid more was I relation to you saying they are paid to beg. I didn't debate the fact that indigenous people receive higher government payments. As for doing my research I can assure after studying law at Uni, I'm particular indigenous legal issues, I have done research a plenty.

I'm not saying your racists. I am saying the comment you made was racist as it made reference to a behaviour by race only.

So at which point should people stop blaming other races and pull themselves up?

I didn't call you racist. Also I still think you made a very ignorant comment. I for One don't feel the need to justify myself to someone on the Internet I don't know.

Hounddawg wrote:Look I think people tend to read things wrong. Dan H, research they get paid a lot more and is seen as encouragement to sit on your ass by aboriginal elders. Mate when you go to the rock,Mcdougall ranges and other landmarks of Australia let me know. 50 years and more, read a book by Sally Morgan "my life" it's a great read, and I believe very accurate on aboriginal and British settlement. 50 years have passed since the stolen generation, and its not racist, when will the younger generation stop using it as an excuse. Dan do you get out much? Valley,Woodbridge, Darwin been to any of these places mate? It's begger central.

Dj , mate I don't know why I need to answer this, my kid sister is black, my 2 brother in laws are Black 1 being the part of the largest aboriginal family in woodridge, and yes he works and earns fantastic coin, my godfather and godmother are aboriginal, having a factual opinion doesn't make you a racist, and i don't believe I ever used the words " all" " the race as a whole" or any other remarks that indicated that I said all were. My point is, check the statistics, its pretty cut and dry. And I have plenty of friends who are aboriginal and they share my opinion. Throw in sister in law as well, and half the Wacol prison system. Mate stop babying and sugar coating the problem, and yes I'm well aware of the white,African, asian and any other race, so save a pointless retort,the point is I'm sick of Mundines white devil shit, I'm sure his mother suffers silently. I feel for her, a son ashamed of his own mother. Mundine if you want to be a leader for your race, take a leaf out of one of the true leaders, Tupac Dear....

What about you boys, how many do you know, more importantly, can say you really know? Answer please, you just called me a fucken racist.

Mate can you do us a solid then, just refrain from comment on any my posts,and stop misreading them. You don't want to justify your remarks, so you come to a social boxing site for what? and so I can pick out the ignorant comment and be sure I you understand what ignorant is???? Just point.

Mark pawsey wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:Ok, i'm well versed on the history of English occupation in this country, at what point do the current day Aboriginals stop crying about what happened 50 years ago.
Our prime minister made a public apology, they've claimed there land back, shit i can't even visit 1 of the natural wonders of the world without paying to see it. They get higher pay for sitting on there ass and being an embarresment to there race, begging for a $1 on street corners.
Back to Mundine, when is he going to stop offending his white mother, who raised him! Is he now back to impersonating Hopkins, will he wear a bandaner over his face again?

Mate you have just shown your true red neck colours by this comment.

Do we have rednecks in Australia? its a southern American expression,u are truly a joke mate. You got a nibble mate, well done, now before I lead u on, just talk to people that know u exist.

dan h wrote:I lived in Kingston and Woodbridge as a chil then moved to gympie. The majority of my childhood friends were indigenous. I played rugby league for 16 years and have many indigenous friends from sport. My first serious relationship was with a indigenous girl. I don't feel the need to tell you that but you asked. I don't think have indigenous friends makes you immune from making racist comments.

My point about getting paid more was I relation to you saying they are paid to beg. I didn't debate the fact that indigenous people receive higher government payments. As for doing my research I can assure after studying law at Uni, I'm particular indigenous legal issues, I have done research a plenty.

I'm not saying your racists. I am saying the comment you made was racist as it made reference to a behaviour by race only.

Nice reply, however you have misunderstood, I never said they got paid to beg, however they actually do. Well done mate, not a lot of people make it out of Woodridge with a career, now please understand that this is me pulling from plenty of experience and lifetime friendships. So you know that what I said about certain landmarks as being true, and I myself have studied Aboriginal studies.
Mate I live in a very multicultural world, I don't have a problem with the remarks made by people whether they poke dotted, you took an honest account of a serious problem affected more than one race and Australia's image, and turned it into a uni thesis. Yeah I've been too everything is racist if in fact a race is named in a statement ect , but that's complete bs and once again delays much needed progress occurring, because people read a book and believe we need to approach with sensitivity and want to draw from 50 to 200 plus years ago as an excuse as to why the standards of society in Australia don't apply to a particular race. 1 government, 1 set of rules for all. Your only crippling them.